RE: [Vo]:A.Rossi interview from 22passi blog - english translation
Terry sez: Meanwhile, I suspect Dr. Mill's is discretely sharpening his own fangs. Maybe. But, I fear for Randell's mental health when he realizes what he missed by denial. I would speculate that if Mills Co. are lucky enough to deliver their CIHT prototype later in 2011, and if it turns out that their own wunder device does indeed generate electricity directly from proprietary BLP procedures - all will be forgiven. Mill's will certainly be able to afford the best therapy that money can buy. There... there... Randy. We all make mistakes every now and then. Why should you be any different. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:A.Rossi interview from 22passi blog - english translation
At 01:00 AM 1/29/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: On Jan 28, 2011, at 5:08 PM, SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote: [snip] ROSSI. Exactly. In fact, mine is not cold fusion, but weak energy nuclear reactions. Fleischmann and Pons did heavy water electrolysis with a palladium cathode and platinum anode. I don't do electrolysis, I don't use either platinum or palladium and I use temperatures that manage to melt nickel. There has been much nonsense about fusion. Fusion is a term that can refer to mechanism, but not necessarily to any specific mechanism. However, much of the 1989 debacle resulted from an assumption that unknown nuclear reaction must be fusion, and specifically d-d fusion, a narrowing to a (partial description) of a specific pathway. The triple miracle required for the P-F reaction to be happening was all about d-d fusion, and the voices for alternate pathways were few at first. The argument that heat/helium was an astonishing finding of Miles, supposedly not likely to be reproduced, was (Huizenga) that there were no gamma rays, and that, obviously, proceeded from an assumption that a probably impossible reaction would produce gamma rays. Instead of making the obvious conclusion, that the reaction wasn't D+D-He-4, but was ... an unknown nuclear reaction, Huizenga barely budged. But he sure noticed Miles! If we have a black box, (maybe covered with aluminum foil!), and deuterium goes in and helium comes out, with the thermodynamically required energy being released, what do we call what happens in the box? I say it's obvious, we call it fusion. And Storms did that under peer review, and it's foolish to argue that if, say, neutrons are formed from the interaction of heavy electrons with deuterium, that then, through some pathway, produce helium, that this is not fusion. That's confusing mechanism with result, and fusion, intrinsically, is the formation of higher weight elements from lower weight ones, regardless of mechanism. Without information about what the ingredients and process is with Rossi, my position is that scientists in the field should publicly ignore Rossi, or comment neutrally, i.e., Given that the process is a secret and has not been revealed, we cannot comment on this. And I'd have suggested that reputable scientists should have avoided participating in the demonstration. To participate and make a report without complete information is to promote the work of Rossi, to assist Rossi in obtaining funding that might be money tossed down a hole. Rossi has every right to keep details secret, but not to hitch a ride on the reputation of cold fusion researchers. If he's got something real, if his claims are true, he will have no trouble obtaining funding. Those who did, nevertheless, attend the demonstration should very clearly point out what they were *not* allowed to see or observe. Many aspects of the Rossi history are troubling, and these should not be swept under the carpet. None of this means that Rossi is a fraud, only that many aspects of this resemble prior attempts at fraud, or, alternatively, delusion. Not fusion is an attempt to sidestep the reputation of cold fusion. It worked for Widom-Larsen-Krivit, but only transiently. We are better off wearing the badge of Cold Fusion proudly. Shall we print some bumper stickers, It's Fusion, Get Over It? It's been obvious for a long time that more than one LENR exists. The P-F reaction seems to be almost entirely one reaction, with rare branches or secondary reactions. But there are others, quite likely. Do I disagree with Dr. Storms on this? Maybe, when we know the mechanism, we will find that there is a single mechanism or class of mechanisms that can come up with differing results when the conditions are different. Personally, though, I'm not willing to hitch my star to any theory, though I do flog Takahashi's TSC theory a bit, merely because it's a usage of classical quantum field theory, it seems, to predict fusion from a physical condition that seems like it *might* be in range of possibility. Storms is correct to point out that the TS condition requires energy to form, my view is that the energy *might* be within what's available at low incidence from the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution, and I have hereby exhausted my ability to string together plausible-sounding word salad. Please, is there a physicist in the house? (Yes, I know that there are competent physicists, including specialists in hot fusion, who have been working on cold fusion from the beginning, but this may be one of the toughest theoretical problems physicists have faced for a century, and it's been a shame that, instead of recognizing the problem and starting to work on it, the physics community, overall, turned its back. Whoever comes up with a mechanism that is then proven by the normal process could possibly share in a Nobel Prize, that's my opinion. I already think Pons and Fleischmann
Re: [Vo]:A.Rossi interview from 22passi blog - english translation
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:47:37 -0800: Hi, [snip] What if it gets down to needing a completely new heat reactor every six months? That could happen. I think refurbishment every 6 months is more likely. That would probably entail swapping out the Ni. However the Ni that is removed is not lost. It can be reprocessed and end up in new reactors, so overall Ni consumption would depend on the amount that is actually converted into Cu, and that would be small. 8% of current world production would meet all our energy needs, even if the reaction only yielded 6 MeV. Note also that the Rossi patent includes copper as a potential fuel, which makes me wonder why the reaction should stop there and not proceed to higher elements, in which case we might expect many 10's of MeV per original nickel atom. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:A.Rossi interview from 22passi blog - english translation
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: And I'd have suggested that reputable scientists should have avoided participating in the demonstration. To participate and make a report without complete information is to promote the work of Rossi, to assist Rossi in obtaining funding that might be money tossed down a hole. Rossi has every right to keep details secret, but not to hitch a ride on the reputation of cold fusion researchers. If he's got something real, if his claims are true, he will have no trouble obtaining funding. I disagree. I think Rossi has been revealing as much as he can, given his patent situation. He has been cooperative with most scientists, although he got into a snit with Celani. On his blog he praised the paper by Villa, even though that paper was cool toward Rossi and raised many questions about the work. He has decided to continue the particle detection work at U. Bologna. He told me: We will continue the reseach with the University of Bologna to deepen the knowledge under a theoretical point of view. I think he has been more open than most cold fusion researchers, and perhaps more than Mills, although I do not know much about Mills. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A.Rossi interview from 22passi blog - english translation
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:08 PM, SHIRAKAWA Akira shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Original link: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/01/energy-catalyzer-funziona-e-non-e.html This is my human translation. Enjoy! == Energy catalyzer: It works and it's not cold fusion Many thanks for your translation. I recently asked a freshman at Georgia Institute of Technology about her goals. She said she wanted to be a Nanny. I was shocked. A Nanny??? She said, Yes, a Nan-E, a Nanotechnology Engineer. The Institute has constructed a new building housing the School of Nanotechnology. I think we will find many new physics discoveries thanks to the Nan-E's. Regards, T
Re: [Vo]:A.Rossi interview from 22passi blog - english translation
Good translation! Thanks. Rossi said: 22PASSI. If your product will manage to impose itself, it's clear that the energy market will change radically. How could the energy produced by your catalyzers and that produced by green sources like solar or wind coexist and what kind of synergy there could be? ROSSI. We will merge and each will take its role. Nonsense. If his gadget works he will blow away solar, wind, oil, coal, nukes and everything else. In 20 years they will cease to exist. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:A.Rossi interview from 22passi blog - english translation
Jed sez: Rossi said: 22PASSI. If your product will manage to impose itself, it's clear that the energy market will change radically. How could the energy produced by your catalyzers and that produced by green sources like solar or wind coexist and what kind of synergy there could be? ROSSI. We will merge and each will take its role. Nonsense. If his gadget works he will blow away solar, wind, oil, coal, nukes and everything else. In 20 years they will cease to exist. I have no doubt that Rossi knows this only too well. Nevertheless, it is in bad taste to bare one's teeth prior to skewering one's prey. Meanwhile, I suspect Dr. Mill's is discretely sharpening his own fangs. Perhaps we shall witness some interesting carnage on the Serengeti plains later this year. We are well-advised to stay within the land rover. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:A.Rossi interview from 22passi blog - english translation
From: Jed Rothwell * Nonsense. If his gadget works he will blow away solar, wind, oil, coal, nukes and everything else. In 20 years they will cease to exist. That assumes unproved reliability and a lot of other things that could make it more expensive than realized. What if it gets down to needing a completely new heat reactor every six months? That could happen. It will probably still work-out financially, since palladium and deuterium are not required; but with far less 'cushion' than many assume, especially compared to coal - the lowest cost energy now. Coal has political clout and you would need to get the competition to rough parity in cost. This would seem to definitely require mass production of reactor units, in the same volume as say, automobiles - to be really cheap energy. But of course that is expected to be the case. It may not scale well to higher power densities for unknown reasons - probably relating to nickel melting in a runaway, but one could imagine producing a plug-in version of the 10kW unit for say $5000 a pop in large numbers. Jones
Re: [Vo]:A.Rossi interview from 22passi blog - english translation
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:08 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Meanwhile, I suspect Dr. Mill's is discretely sharpening his own fangs. Maybe. But, I fear for Randell's mental health when he realizes what he missed by denial. T
Re: [Vo]:A.Rossi interview from 22passi blog - english translation
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This would seem to definitely require mass production of reactor units, in the same volume as say, automobiles - to be really cheap energy. But of course that is expected to be the case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Motor_Carriage_Company A Stanley Steamer set the world record for the fastest mile in an automobile (28.2 seconds) in 1906. This record was not broken by any automobile until 1911, although Glen Curtiss beat the record in 1907 with a V-8 powered motorcycle at 136 mph (219 km/h). The record for steam-powered automobiles was not broken until 2009. The Rossi Steamer could easily be a much cheaper version. :-) T
Re: [Vo]:A.Rossi interview from 22passi blog - english translation
On Jan 28, 2011, at 5:08 PM, SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote: [snip] ROSSI. Exactly. In fact, mine is not cold fusion, but weak energy nuclear reactions. Fleischmann and Pons did heavy water electrolysis with a palladium cathode and platinum anode. I don't do electrolysis, I don't use either platinum or palladium and I use temperatures that manage to melt nickel. Well! There you have heard it almost directly from the source! Rossi is using the most narrow possible definition of cold fusion. A definition only marginally acceptable since 1989. Can you imagine how boring and irrelevant the ICCF (International Conference on Cold Fusion) would be if limited only to papers that were restricted to Pt anode, Pd cathode, heavy water, and near room temperature. There would be almost no literature in the field! No experiments on Ni-H systems, gas discharge, sulfonated plastic beads with Ni-Pd layered coatings, fluid beds, Pd black, CaO, transmutations, T-D systems, electrolytic arcs, electrospark, magnetic influences, Ti, Zr, Nb, and Al cathodes, co-deposition, electro-migration, superwaves, radioactive stimulants in and out of the cathode, anode glow, metallic glasses, nano-powders, and many more things presented at ICCF. How ridiculous is that! A temperature of 1500 °C is nowhere near hot fusion, or even near the kinetic energy involved in Claytor's tritium creating gas discharges. It is cold fusion. I guess I wasn't totally wrong about Rossi's view in the past: On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:30 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: On Jan 22, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: [snip] The journalists instantly lumped Rossi's experiments and patent applications under that umbrella, despite his statements that it was not cold fusion. Did he say that? I missed it. What does he think it is? Focardi sure thinks it is cold fusion. I can't find anywhere he said that. I must have confused what Rossi said with what Dufour and Krivit have said. Just my bad memory again. I did see an exchange where Rossi distances himself from hydrinos: [snip] Many thanks to Shirakawa Akira for the translation. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
