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Hi Reliable, Do you have any more details about the Bloke who saw the noble gas engine that purred like a kitten? John the inventor claims that it runs, even purrs.. He also seems to hint that it is an over-unity device (recharge your car once a year). And also says they are building a kit for anyone who wants to build one. All lofty claims.. but any additional details you can share would be great! - Brad G'Day, Bloke witnessed this operational and said it purred like a kitten. http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=2EgT3G6lKnohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EgT3G6lKno Warm Regards, Reliable
Re: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please!
Yes. 4 plugs in row. Sequence. Into magnetic field from coil after. use one to inject RFG power. 3 spark. Pat now applied for. Chung --- On Sun, 8/5/12, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote: From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com Subject: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 3:01 AM G'Day, Bloke witnessed this operational and said it purred like a kitten. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EgT3G6lKno Warm Regards, Reliable
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Chung, Are you referring to: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.html where propane bled through T, then Cu tube wrapped with coil winding where DC fed in creates magnetic field core? Warm Regards, Reliable Original Message Subject:Re: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! Resent-Date:Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:57:15 -0700 Resent-From:vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Te Chung chung...@ymail.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Yes. 4 plugs in row. Sequence. Into magnetic field from coil after. use one to inject RFG power. 3 spark. Pat now applied for. Chung --- On *Sun, 8/5/12, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com /integral.property.serv...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com Subject: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 3:01 AM G'Day, Bloke witnessed this operational and said it purred like a kitten. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EgT3G6lKno Warm Regards, Reliable
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Reliable, Yes. Fe pipe, 4 T's, then Cu pipe with both magnet DC coil winding for core field and Ni Cr coil winding for heat - Variac control. --- On Sun, 8/5/12, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote: From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please!] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 4:36 AM Chung, Are you referring to: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.html where propane bled through T, then Cu tube wrapped with coil winding where DC fed in creates magnetic field core? Warm Regards, Reliable Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:57:15 -0700 Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Te Chung chung...@ymail.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Yes. 4 plugs in row. Sequence. Into magnetic field from coil after. use one to inject RFG power. 3 spark. Pat now applied for. Chung --- On Sun, 8/5/12, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote: From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com Subject: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 3:01 AM G'Day, Bloke witnessed this operational and said it purred like a kitten. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EgT3G6lKno Warm Regards, Reliable
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Chung, You just won my $500 offer. Where can I mail Money Order? Congratulations and Warm Regards, Reliable Te Chung wrote: Reliable, Yes. Fe pipe, 4 T's, then Cu pipe with both magnet DC coil winding for core field and Ni Cr coil winding for heat - Variac control. --- On *Sun, 8/5/12, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com /integral.property.serv...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please!] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 4:36 AM Chung, Are you referring to: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.html where propane bled through T, then Cu tube wrapped with coil winding where DC fed in creates magnetic field core? Warm Regards, Reliable Original Message Subject:Re: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! Resent-Date:Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:57:15 -0700 Resent-From:vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Te Chung chung...@ymail.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Yes. 4 plugs in row. Sequence. Into magnetic field from coil after. use one to inject RFG power. 3 spark. Pat now applied for. Chung --- On *Sun, 8/5/12, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com /integral.property.serv...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com Subject: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 3:01 AM G'Day, Bloke witnessed this operational and said it purred like a kitten. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EgT3G6lKno Warm Regards, Reliable
RE: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EgT3G6lKno Interesting video. Actually, nothing was demonstrated. We only see the prototype being assembled as the inventor rambles on about the design theory behind the device. I did enjoy listening to him. He comes across as a very personable individual... not that that proves anything either pro-or-con. Being ignorant about the alleged claims and technology behind this device I don't know what to make of it. I gather it's derived from highly controversial PAP technology. This is a topic that has been discussed within the Collective before. The demonstrator claims investors are making preparations for mass production. All an individual in the peanut gallery (like me) can do under the circumstances is simply wait and see what develops. The pessimist within me sez: I've heard claims like this before. NTL, I remain fascinated. Wouldn't it be cool if there really is something to the technology. Would appreciate some POVs on the matter. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please!
Fascinating technology! My first thoughts mirror Feynman's -- impossible -- how could this possibly work? Since it generates no heat, the pressure must come from something else. Upon reflection, using the ideal gas law pv=nRT, the way to get pressure without heat would be to increase n, the number of particles in the cylinder (moles) so pv ~n . Maybe each gas atom splits into multiple particles ( or virtual particles; non local particles? ). Each new particle must have the same average kinetic energy as the original. What are your thoughts? Hoyt Stearns -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 7:38 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EgT3G6lKno Interesting video. Actually, nothing was demonstrated. We only see the prototype being assembled as the inventor rambles on about the design theory behind the device. I did enjoy listening to him. He comes across as a very personable individual... not that that proves anything either pro-or-con. Being ignorant about the alleged claims and technology behind this device I don't know what to make of it. I gather it's derived from highly controversial PAP technology. This is a topic that has been discussed within the Collective before. ...
Re: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please!
Nature knows nothing of work. Nature has tendencies and proclivities. Man gets nature to work for him. The questions are 1) what are the tendencies and proclivities 2) how do you harness them to perform work? There are no mechanisms in nature, except for the harness (and possibly the whip). harry On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote: Fascinating technology! My first thoughts mirror Feynman's -- impossible -- how could this possibly work? Since it generates no heat, the pressure must come from something else. Upon reflection, using the ideal gas law pv=nRT, the way to get pressure without heat would be to increase n, the number of particles in the cylinder (moles) so pv ~n . Maybe each gas atom splits into multiple particles ( or virtual particles; non local particles? ). Each new particle must have the same average kinetic energy as the original. What are your thoughts? Hoyt Stearns -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 7:38 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EgT3G6lKno Interesting video. Actually, nothing was demonstrated. We only see the prototype being assembled as the inventor rambles on about the design theory behind the device. I did enjoy listening to him. He comes across as a very personable individual... not that that proves anything either pro-or-con. Being ignorant about the alleged claims and technology behind this device I don't know what to make of it. I gather it's derived from highly controversial PAP technology. This is a topic that has been discussed within the Collective before. ...
RE: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please!
From Hoyt: ... Maybe each gas atom splits into multiple particles ( or virtual particles; non local particles? ). Each new particle must have the same average kinetic energy as the original. What are your thoughts? Heh! My thoughts revolve around the fact of how little I understand about what's allegedly happening here! ;-) However, with that in mind, even if these noble gas atoms are for a brief period of time splitting into multiple particles, (virtual or real) it seems to me that a lot of heat ought to be generated in the form of kinetic energy. No? Wondering out loud here... Maybe a great deal of heat actually IS being generated. However, after the expansion cycle completes its cycle (and where temperature might be at the maximum value), it is followed by a contraction cycle of comparable force and duration in the opposite direction. However, during the contraction cycle all the generated heat is gobbled-up, so-to-speak, so that afterwards it would appear to an external observer as if no heat had actually been generated. Kind of like: What the Lord giveth... and the Lord taketh away. ;-) I wonder if there might be a way to collect a series of rapid temperature measurements during the expansion and contraction phases. It's possible there might be some interesting surprises in store if that were don. This is just speculation on my part. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please!
If they're going to use plastic pistons, I doubt it gets hot at all, in fact it's hard to imagine a plastic surviving inside a plasma at all unless it's coated with a ceramic top. Since the gas law assumes particles are billiard balls, another possibility is an atom becomes severly non-spherical or something like a starfish, spinning very rapidly. Hoyt Stearns -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 10:16 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! From Hoyt: ... Maybe each gas atom splits into multiple particles ( or virtual particles; non local particles? ). Each new particle must have the same average kinetic energy as the original. What are your thoughts? Heh! My thoughts revolve around the fact of how little I understand about what's allegedly happening here! ;-) However, with that in mind, even if these noble gas atoms are for a brief period of time splitting into multiple particles, (virtual or real) it seems to me that a lot of heat ought to be generated in the form of kinetic energy. No? Wondering out loud here... Maybe a great deal of heat actually IS being generated. However, after the expansion cycle completes its cycle (and where temperature might be at the maximum value), it is followed by a contraction cycle of comparable force and duration in the opposite direction. However, during the contraction cycle all the generated heat is gobbled-up, so-to-speak, so that afterwards it would appear to an external observer as if no heat had actually been generated. Kind of like: What the Lord giveth... and the Lord taketh away. ;-) I wonder if there might be a way to collect a series of rapid temperature measurements during the expansion and contraction phases. It's possible there might be some interesting surprises in store if that were don. This is just speculation on my part. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
