Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: My guess is that he plays it safe. If he supports LENR, it will be very quietly until the results are simply undeniable. That sounds plausible. That is what I would do if I were in his place. With your scenario in mind, the most likely outcome is that he drops it. To use Blaze Spinnaker's approach, I would put the likelihood of BG openly supporting LENR at about 1/5, and covert support at about 1/4. How about you? I do not know enough about Gates or his personality to judge. With regard to cold fusion I know only one thing about him. Arthur C Clarke wrote to him many years ago and suggested he look into cold fusion. He never responded. Perhaps he never saw the letter but I suppose a letter from Clarke would reach him. So he has at least heard about cold fusion but he has not done anything up until now. That does not bode well. My guess is that Gates and many others will begin offering help to cold fusion just about the time it no longer needs help. As Mark Twain said about banks, they only lend you money when you don't need it. A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining, but wants it back the minute it begins to rain. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
I fear Bill Gates will gather up the information from Violante and show it to leading physicists in the US. They will tell him that cold fusion does not exist according to their theories, so the results must all be wrong. That will be the end of that. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
I would believe that the probable outcome circa early 90s but to presume Gates is so out of touch with the priesthood that after 25 years he is still unaware of their canon law stretches credulity to the breaking point. On top of that we have the Lowell Wood connection http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/17/lowell-wood-and-lenr/ to Gates. No I think Gates is finally realizing that his legacy as a humanitarian may be in jeopardy if he doesn't get out in front of this particular parade and lead. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I fear Bill Gates will gather up the information from Violante and show it to leading physicists in the US. They will tell him that cold fusion does not exist according to their theories, so the results must all be wrong. That will be the end of that. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
Jed: Mostly I agree with you. In the past, Bill Gates (BG) stepped in front of the parade of microcomputers because he was very well qualified to do so, having written BASIC for the 4004 processor on a DEC simulation at Harvard when he was 17 years old. But he did not have a reputation at risk; now he does. Nowadays he no doubt thinks of the legacy he will leave behind. He would be weighing the possibility of becoming a laughing stock against the head-of-parade-again technologist. My guess is that he plays it safe. If he supports LENR, it will be very quietly until the results are simply undeniable. It would take courage to support LENR, and I think he lacks courage. He approached ENEA because they have gravitas; Rossi doesn't. That's an indicator of BG's lack of courage in terms of how he wants to be perceived -- Rossi presents a risk to that goal while ENEA does not. With your scenario in mind, the most likely outcome is that he drops it. To use Blaze Spinnaker's approach, I would put the likelihood of BG openly supporting LENR at about 1/5, and covert support at about 1/4. How about you? On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I fear Bill Gates will gather up the information from Violante and show it to leading physicists in the US. They will tell him that cold fusion does not exist according to their theories, so the results must all be wrong. That will be the end of that. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
You have to parse the Foundation’s statement carefully… “He [Bill Gates] was not there as a representative of the foundation, nor are there any plans for funding or other partnerships between the ENEA and the foundation. Yes, Bill was NOT there on BEHALF of the Foundation; it was him, personally, looking into ENEA’s work. The Foundation has no plans with ENEA, but Gates could easily pull out his checkbook and write them a check for $10M… or come back to the states and set up his own lab and hire people from his ‘circle’… -Mark Iverson From: Kevin O'Malley [mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:27 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting The folks over at E-Cat world are on top of this, moving faster and more thoroughly than us vorts.Kudos to them. http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/17/update-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea/#comment-1698388366 Bob Greenyer http://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=defaultdisqus_version=c6ed14e4f=ecwt_i=11372%20http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F%3Fp%3D11372t_u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F2014%2F11%2F17%2Fupdate-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea%2Ft_e=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_d=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_t=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29s_o=descl= • 2 hours ago http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/17/update-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea/#comment-1698335441 This is how Bill Gates felt about Nuclear in April 21, 2010 in the year before Rossi's first public demonstration in 2011. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbbq_KdPzjE At 4:44 he talks about the group HE (not BM Foundation) is backing, they use U238, he says ...because we have fast Neutrons, we have this Neutron budget that's very different, now our main problem is the material science problem - is these damn Neutrons - uh - degrade the cladding and everything - we don't have a predictable way of saying over a 40 year lifetime - uh - how various materials deal with that. Then the Kicker... he dismissively says... If you look at the [Hot] Fusion guys, their Neutrons are like a thousand times worse than our Neutrons, but even ours are, are... those guys [hot fusion] have 14 MEV Neutrons - good luck to them! He starts smiling and goes on... People should work on that - that is NOT an easy thing in terms of the economics. In the same video he states boldly I love nuclear Given that: 1. his own investment since this video was made 3.5 years ago hasn't yielded cheap ubiquitous, safe and easy to deploy energy 2. the very obvious dismissal of the practicality of hot fusion given his own real experience of his nuclear investment 3. this was pre Rossi 4. this was pre-Fukashima 5. the fact that he was looking at small reactors in a lab with Vittorio Violante There is no doubt in my mind that Bill Gates is looking at LENR. The only questions is, when will he announce I love the New Fire Bob Greenyer http://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=defaultdisqus_version=c6ed14e4f=ecwt_i=11372%20http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F%3Fp%3D11372t_u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F2014%2F11%2F17%2Fupdate-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea%2Ft_e=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_d=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_t=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29s_o=descl= • 3 hours ago http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/17/update-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea/#comment-1698205387 At DAVOS Bill first quotes the importance of new energy and recognises the slow pace and problems with storage of alternative energy and the fact that it is not a priority for government research investment because of the payback horizon [is not within a politically useful time-frame] http://youtu.be/aen6ubFLSmo?t=... http://youtu.be/aen6ubFLSmo?t=21m32s In his second segment he is specifically asked if he is going to broaden the remit of the foundation, and he says that the focus of the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation will remain the same, helping farmers, solving health issues The focus of our foundation for my lifetime will be these health and agricultural issues, uh, you've gotta specialise, uh we think that we can go from a world where 6 million children a year are dieing, get that down to under 2 million and so we're gonna stay focussed on those things uh, until we achieve health equity where if you are born in a poor country, you're no more likely to die than any other child on the planet. http://youtu.be/aen6ubFLSmo?t=... http://youtu.be/aen6ubFLSmo?t=52m25s That says 1. Nothing about his own personal capacity, he is keen to mention the specialisation as being that of the foundation 2. Helping create an affordable means to desalinate water would help farmers. For me, it is interesting WHY Mishal
RE: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
I would imagine Rossi's work was never mentioned. Or am I incorrect about that? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
Report: Gates Foundation Close to a $1 Billion Agreement to Fund ENEA for Fusion Research [Update: Human Translation into English] Posted on November 16, 2014 by admin http://www.e-catworld.com/author/admin/ • 131 Comments http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/16/report-gates-foundation-close-to-a-1-billion-agreement-fund-enea-for-fusion-research/#comments http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/16/report-gates-foundation-close-to-a-1-billion-agreement-fund-enea-for-fusion-research/ On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The article says: My guess it is highly likely that Professor Violante would have at least mentioned something about LENR in this meeting. What else would he talk about? Anyway, the poster is from ICCF15 so that's the subject. If anyone can make a good impression, Vittorio can. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I would imagine Rossi's work was never mentioned. Or am I incorrect about that? Who knows? I think it would be best not to mention it. The subject is controversial enough without it. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I would imagine Rossi's work was never mentioned. Or am I incorrect about that? It doesn't have to be mentioned. It's high up there when you google LENR. Patrick
Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
Update: What may be contemplated is a personal investment from Mr. Gates. Just to re-state this: the Gates Foundation is not involved at all in this issue, and calls the headline incorrect.. I am awaiting word on the investment issue from his personal office, which may or may not respond to my inquiry (I imagine this kind of investment would not be revealed until it is made, if it ever is; this doesn’t mean that an investment is any less likely; Mr Gates has a longstanding interest in the topic). http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/17/update-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea/ On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Report: Gates Foundation Close to a $1 Billion Agreement to Fund ENEA for Fusion Research [Update: Human Translation into English] Posted on November 16, 2014 by admin http://www.e-catworld.com/author/admin/ • 131 Comments http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/16/report-gates-foundation-close-to-a-1-billion-agreement-fund-enea-for-fusion-research/#comments http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/16/report-gates-foundation-close-to-a-1-billion-agreement-fund-enea-for-fusion-research/ On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The article says: My guess it is highly likely that Professor Violante would have at least mentioned something about LENR in this meeting. What else would he talk about? Anyway, the poster is from ICCF15 so that's the subject. If anyone can make a good impression, Vittorio can. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
The folks over at E-Cat world are on top of this, moving faster and more thoroughly than us vorts.Kudos to them. *http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/17/update-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea/#comment-1698388366 http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/17/update-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea/#comment-1698388366* Bob Greenyer http://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=defaultdisqus_version=c6ed14e4f=ecwt_i=11372%20http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F%3Fp%3D11372t_u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F2014%2F11%2F17%2Fupdate-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea%2Ft_e=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_d=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_t=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29s_o=descl=# • 2 hours ago http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/17/update-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea/#comment-1698335441 This is how Bill Gates felt about Nuclear in April 21, 2010 in the year before Rossi's first public demonstration in 2011. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbbq_KdPzjE At 4:44 he talks about the group HE (not BM Foundation) is backing, they use U238, he says ...because we have fast Neutrons, we have this Neutron budget that's very different, now our main problem is the material science problem - is these damn Neutrons - uh - degrade the cladding and everything - we don't have a predictable way of saying over a 40 year lifetime - uh - how various materials deal with that. Then the Kicker... he dismissively says... If you look at the [Hot] Fusion guys, their Neutrons are like a thousand times worse than our Neutrons, but even ours are, are... those guys [hot fusion] have 14 MEV Neutrons - good luck to them! He starts smiling and goes on... People should work on that - that is NOT an easy thing in terms of the economics. In the same video he states boldly I love nuclear Given that: 1. his own investment since this video was made 3.5 years ago hasn't yielded cheap ubiquitous, safe and easy to deploy energy 2. the very obvious dismissal of the practicality of hot fusion given his own real experience of his nuclear investment 3. this was pre Rossi 4. this was pre-Fukashima 5. the fact that he was looking at small reactors in a lab with Vittorio Violante There is no doubt in my mind that Bill Gates is looking at LENR. The only questions is, when will he announce I love the New Fire 8 http://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=defaultdisqus_version=c6ed14e4f=ecwt_i=11372%20http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F%3Fp%3D11372t_u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F2014%2F11%2F17%2Fupdate-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea%2Ft_e=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_d=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_t=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29s_o=descl=# - - - - http://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=defaultdisqus_version=c6ed14e4f=ecwt_i=11372%20http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F%3Fp%3D11372t_u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F2014%2F11%2F17%2Fupdate-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea%2Ft_e=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_d=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_t=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29s_o=descl=# - [image: Avatar] http://disqus.com/bobgreenyer/ Bob Greenyer http://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=defaultdisqus_version=c6ed14e4f=ecwt_i=11372%20http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F%3Fp%3D11372t_u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F2014%2F11%2F17%2Fupdate-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea%2Ft_e=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_d=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_t=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29s_o=descl=# • 3 hours ago http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/17/update-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea/#comment-1698205387 At DAVOS Bill first quotes the importance of new energy and recognises the slow pace and problems with storage of alternative energy and the fact that it is not a priority for government research investment because of the payback horizon [is not within a politically useful time-frame] http://youtu.be/aen6ubFLSmo?t=... http://youtu.be/aen6ubFLSmo?t=21m32s In his second segment he is specifically asked if he is going to broaden the remit of the foundation, and he says that the focus of the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation will remain the same, helping farmers, solving health issues The focus of our foundation for my lifetime will be these health and agricultural issues, uh, you've gotta specialise, uh we think that we can go from a world where 6 million children a year are dieing, get that down to under 2 million and so we're gonna stay focussed on those things uh, until we achieve health equity where if you are born in a poor country, you're no more likely
Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
All it would take is a press announcement from Gates to unleash LENR. I doubt he has the courage. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex-l, The pics and the video of Bill Gates (MS) are real: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/14/bill-gates-addressed-at-enea-by-lenr-research-coordinator-what-does-he-know-about-lenr/ Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex
Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting
The article says: My guess it is highly likely that Professor Violante would have at least mentioned something about LENR in this meeting. What else would he talk about? Anyway, the poster is from ICCF15 so that's the subject. If anyone can make a good impression, Vittorio can. - Jed
