RE: [Vo]:New German LENR Company
-Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com E-Cat World website finds a new LENR company in Germany, PURRATIO AG - Here is their patent - it appears to be photoelectric https://www.google.com/patents/EP1924387B1?cl=endq=PURRATIOhl=ensa=Xei=8 mP2Uu6YKoXuyQGb74DgAwved=0CDMQ6AEwAA Method for producing thermal energy Abstract The invention relates to a method for producing thermal energy, wherein light, initial material is introduced into a plasma arc (10) which is located between a cathode (4) and an anode (3) and which is adapted to fusion processes by supplying electric energy into the plasma state. A metal cathode, which allows particles which are produced in the plasma to be diffused, is used and allows a fusion process to take place in the metal grid. The invention has a high degree of efficiency in corresponding systems such that said method can be used anywhere where fossils and/or renewable and/or chemical fuel can be used, in order to use the thermal energy directly or by conversion.
Re: [Vo]:New German LENR Company
I'm not sure its photoelectric. Looks more like the high voltage plasma arc through water system, and again very similar to the Graneau/Pappas system and featured on a good number of you tube videos, except that the last time I looked a number of these you tube videos had dissappeared, which I thought was a little odd. However, I have copies of a number of them if needed to demonstrate prior art. Nigel On 08/02/2014 17:08, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com E-Cat World website finds a new LENR company in Germany, PURRATIO AG - Here is their patent - it appears to be photoelectric https://www.google.com/patents/EP1924387B1?cl=endq=PURRATIOhl=ensa=Xei=8 mP2Uu6YKoXuyQGb74DgAwved=0CDMQ6AEwAA Method for producing thermal energy Abstract The invention relates to a method for producing thermal energy, wherein light, initial material is introduced into a plasma arc (10) which is located between a cathode (4) and an anode (3) and which is adapted to fusion processes by supplying electric energy into the plasma state. A metal cathode, which allows particles which are produced in the plasma to be diffused, is used and allows a fusion process to take place in the metal grid. The invention has a high degree of efficiency in corresponding systems such that said method can be used anywhere where fossils and/or renewable and/or chemical fuel can be used, in order to use the thermal energy directly or by conversion.
RE: [Vo]:New German LENR Company
This patent has been issued. Here is the latest version: Method for producing thermal energy - CA 2621914 Chttps://www.google.com/patents/CA2621914C Here are a couple of papers which one of the patent applicants may have co-authored. Simulation of boron nitride sputtering process and its comparison with experimental data ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel4/.../00747890.pdf Detection of Combustion Generated Nanoparticles (NOC) behind Vehicle Engines using Mass Spectrometry http://www.researchgate.net/publication/224790309_Detection_of_Combustion_Generated_Nanoparticles_(NOC)_behind_Vehicle_Engines_using_Mass_Spectrometry Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com E-Cat World website finds a new LENR company in Germany, PURRATIO AG - Here is their patent - it appears to be photoelectric https://www.google.com/patents/EP1924387B1?cl=endq=PURRATIOhl=ensa=Xei=8 mP2Uu6YKoXuyQGb74DgAwved=0CDMQ6AEwAA Method for producing thermal energy Abstract The invention relates to a method for producing thermal energy, wherein light, initial material is introduced into a plasma arc (10) which is located between a cathode (4) and an anode (3) and which is adapted to fusion processes by supplying electric energy into the plasma state. A metal cathode, which allows particles which are produced in the plasma to be diffused, is used and allows a fusion process to take place in the metal grid. The invention has a high degree of efficiency in corresponding systems such that said method can be used anywhere where fossils and/or renewable and/or chemical fuel can be used, in order to use the thermal energy directly or by conversion.
Re: [Vo]:New German LENR Company
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Here is their patent - it appears to be photoelectric [snip] Abstract The invention relates to a method for producing thermal energy, wherein light, initial material is introduced into a plasma arc I don't think it claims to involve a photoelectric effect; it does not appear to make any attempt to explain what's going on. It seems to be a water torch invention in the lineage of Brown's gas, where water is dissociated into hydrogen and oxygen, and it tries to improve upon a 1990 cold fusion patent [1]. It refers to water rather than noble gasses, so I think the comparison to Papp's device only goes so far. But it definitely reminds me of many of the electric arc devices/experiments. The present patent focuses a lot on the electric arc and the waveform used to drive it. It is surprising to me that someone can write all of this stuff up and get a patent for it. There is very little to clearly differentiate this patent from any number of experiments and patents that are out there. I recall hearing that in the European patent system, you get a patent automatically upon application, but this does not imply that it is defendable. Eric [1] https://www.google.com/patents/EP0393465A2
Re: [Vo]:New German LENR Company
Jones-- Why do you say the patent appears to be photoelectric? It seems to identify another way of loading a Pd or other metal with D or H or both at the surface of the metal and inducing solid state fusion of the loaded materials--probably D based on what the inventers say. Bob - Original Message - From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 9:32 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:New German LENR Company This patent has been issued. Here is the latest version: Method for producing thermal energy - CA 2621914 Chttps://www.google.com/patents/CA2621914C Here are a couple of papers which one of the patent applicants may have co-authored. Simulation of boron nitride sputtering process and its comparison with experimental data ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel4/.../00747890.pdf Detection of Combustion Generated Nanoparticles (NOC) behind Vehicle Engines using Mass Spectrometry http://www.researchgate.net/publication/224790309_Detection_of_Combustion_Generated_Nanoparticles_(NOC)_behind_Vehicle_Engines_using_Mass_Spectrometry Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com E-Cat World website finds a new LENR company in Germany, PURRATIO AG - Here is their patent - it appears to be photoelectric https://www.google.com/patents/EP1924387B1?cl=endq=PURRATIOhl=ensa=Xei=8 mP2Uu6YKoXuyQGb74DgAwved=0CDMQ6AEwAA Method for producing thermal energy Abstract The invention relates to a method for producing thermal energy, wherein light, initial material is introduced into a plasma arc (10) which is located between a cathode (4) and an anode (3) and which is adapted to fusion processes by supplying electric energy into the plasma state. A metal cathode, which allows particles which are produced in the plasma to be diffused, is used and allows a fusion process to take place in the metal grid. The invention has a high degree of efficiency in corresponding systems such that said method can be used anywhere where fossils and/or renewable and/or chemical fuel can be used, in order to use the thermal energy directly or by conversion.
Re: [Vo]:New German LENR Company
Eric---Bob here-- I agree with your assessment. However, it does imply fusion of D and in fact uses the term fusion. The following is a copy (translated from German with some mistakes) of the paragraph 12 of the patent : Particularly preferably, the cathode material has been found to palladium, which is a result of its comparison to the other in the given materials high electron work function of 5.6 eV particularly well. With corresponding cooling of the cathode can thus much more of a produced by the resulting at the cathode heat electron current through the plasma arc can be prevented, as this for the heat generation process contributes nothing or these rather hindered as to produce a desired direction cathode particle to trigger fusion of the not produced in the cathode or impeded. Similar to achieve with other materials, it is necessary because of the lower work function of a much higher expense of cooling in order to prevent the undesired electrode current from the cathode and to minimize. Reading the whole patent is interesting, especially noting the timing of controlling input energy pulses. Bob - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:New German LENR Company On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Here is their patent - it appears to be photoelectric [snip] Abstract The invention relates to a method for producing thermal energy, wherein light, initial material is introduced into a plasma arc I don't think it claims to involve a photoelectric effect; it does not appear to make any attempt to explain what's going on. It seems to be a water torch invention in the lineage of Brown's gas, where water is dissociated into hydrogen and oxygen, and it tries to improve upon a 1990 cold fusion patent [1]. It refers to water rather than noble gasses, so I think the comparison to Papp's device only goes so far. But it definitely reminds me of many of the electric arc devices/experiments. The present patent focuses a lot on the electric arc and the waveform used to drive it. It is surprising to me that someone can write all of this stuff up and get a patent for it. There is very little to clearly differentiate this patent from any number of experiments and patents that are out there. I recall hearing that in the European patent system, you get a patent automatically upon application, but this does not imply that it is defendable. Eric [1] https://www.google.com/patents/EP0393465A2
