Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

[Adrian Ashfield]

I don't think the Penon report proves it didn't work.  We will find out in 
court.  Why do you think it does?
What about the QuarkX?
AA

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
To: Vortex <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 7, 2017 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming




Adrian Ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net> wrote:

 


Brian Ahern insists on proof for LENR experiments but somehow doesn't require 
proof to proclaim the E-Cat, the SunCell  & Brillouin don't work.




The Penon report proves that the E-Cat does not work. I do not know about the 
other two. The Penon report is here:

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/0197.03_Exhibit_3.pdf

As Harry pointed out, the burden of proof is on the claimant, and they have not 
produced much evidence for SunCell and Brillouin.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

[Jed Rothwell]

Adrian Ashfield  wrote:


> Brian Ahern insists on proof for LENR experiments but somehow doesn't
>> require proof to proclaim the E-Cat, the SunCell  & Brillouin don't work.
>
>
The Penon report proves that the E-Cat does not work. I do not know about
the other two. The Penon report is here:

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/0197.03_Exhibit_3.pdf

As Harry pointed out, the burden of proof is on the claimant, and they have
not produced much evidence for SunCell and Brillouin.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

[H LV]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

Harry

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Adrian Ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> Brian Ahern insists on proof for LENR experiments but somehow doesn't
> require proof to proclaim the E-Cat, the SunCell  & Brillouin don't work.
> The fact is, nobody outside those groups really knows yet.
> AA
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net>
> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 10:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming
>
> Brian Ahern wrote:
>
> > After 28 years nobody has succeeded in generating 100 watts excess in
> a repeatable process. In fact there is no qualified system that can
> achieve 10 watts excess and a COP > 1.5
>
> ... and Bob Cook says I'm too cynical ...
>
>

Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

[Adrian Ashfield]

Brian Ahern insists on proof for LENR experiments but somehow doesn't require 
proof to proclaim the E-Cat, the SunCell  & Brillouin don't work.  The fact is, 
nobody outside those groups really knows yet.
AA

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 10:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

Brian Ahern wrote:

 > After 28 years nobody has succeeded in generating 100 watts excess in 
a repeatable process. In fact there is no qualified system that can 
achieve 10 watts excess and a COP > 1.5

... and Bob Cook says I'm too cynical ...

RE: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

You are not alone.

Cynics love company.

Bob Cook

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From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 6:41 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

Brian Ahern wrote:

 > After 28 years nobody has succeeded in generating 100 watts excess in
a repeatable process. In fact there is no qualified system that can
achieve 10 watts excess and a COP > 1.5

... and Bob Cook says I'm too cynical ...

RE: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

he are a number of ways that nuclear reactions can release potential energy.  
Kinetic energy in the for of high velocity neutral and charged particles, 
electromagnetic radiation and  kinetic energy in the form of angular momentum 
or spin energy.

Rossi and N. Cook claim that some of their Ni-H=Li system changed Li-7 with 
accretion of Pto Be-8. .
They suggest:

>>>> “The double alpha lattice  structure (C) can then break into independent 
>>>> two alpha particles (D), >>>>which are released with   MeV of angular 
>>>> momentum, but without gamma radiation.”

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1504/1504.01261.pdf

I point out  they do not seem to believe the alpha particles left the reaction 
with high velocity.  EM radiation normally associated with slowing-down of 
charged particles was not reported.   (  I assume it did not happen.)

Bob Cook




From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 7:57 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

As observed in the Holmlid experiments, LENR energy could be formated into the 
form of subatomic particles that are hard to detect.

These hard to detect subatomic particles could be carrying off any remaining 
residual LENR based kinetic energy  from the reaction site. There may be a 
method that can be engineered that can capture this energy so that this LENR 
energy can be localized to the site of the reaction and converted to heat.

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Jones Beene 
<jone...@pacbell.net<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
Brian Ahern wrote:

> After 28 years nobody has succeeded in generating 100 watts excess in a 
> repeatable process. In fact there is no qualified system that can achieve 10 
> watts excess and a COP > 1.5

... and Bob Cook says I'm too cynical ...

Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

[Axil Axil]

As observed in the Holmlid experiments, LENR energy could be formated into
the form of subatomic particles that are hard to detect.

These hard to detect subatomic particles could be carrying off any
remaining residual LENR based kinetic energy  from the reaction site. There
may be a method that can be engineered that can capture this energy so that
this LENR energy can be localized to the site of the reaction and converted
to heat.

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Brian Ahern wrote:
>
> > After 28 years nobody has succeeded in generating 100 watts excess in a
> repeatable process. In fact there is no qualified system that can achieve
> 10 watts excess and a COP > 1.5
>
> ... and Bob Cook says I'm too cynical ...
>
>

Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

[Jones Beene]

Brian Ahern wrote:

> After 28 years nobody has succeeded in generating 100 watts excess in 
a repeatable process. In fact there is no qualified system that can 
achieve 10 watts excess and a COP > 1.5


... and Bob Cook says I'm too cynical ...