RE: [Vo]:simulation of fractional hydrogen ashless

[Francis X Roarty]

On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:22:07 Jones Beene wrote
Fran,
The large spheres are diatomic hydrogen when outside the cavity, but become
monatomic after "apparent shrinkage" from our perspective, due to time
dilation, then releasing the photon, is that correct?
To cover more actual experimental results, one might also suggest that "on
occasion", nuclear reactions can occur with the walls of the cavity, even if
that is not the main source of excess energy. In fact, this type of reaction
might only be a QM "balancing act" . 
One never knows, do one?

Jones, You are correct that on occasion nuclear reactions do occur - much
more so than normal for 2 reasons, first time dilation means that the normal
low probability

Of this occurring at ambient is already multiplied by Gamma and secondly the
cavity represents a "3rd" body that accelerates atoms to different inertial
frames just like the collisions shown in the BLP animation except there is
no need for a collision -the non radiative transfer of energy is occurring
constantly with changes in Casimir force that constantly reshape the
orbitals to new fractional values based on local geometry (Thanks to Robin
for making me investigate the 3rd body). I believe BLP included this
"collision" in their animation to simplify their explanation but I am saying
the quantum effect of Casimir geometry negates the need for an actual
collision because the entire cavity is already working to transfer energy
from the atoms at different rates based on local geometry/zones, you call
this negative energy because time is occurring faster than the ambient
isotropic value we consider the baseline outside a cavity. It doesn't matter
if you consider time dragging behind inside the cavity or we outside the
cavity are racing ahead in time the absolute difference is the energy
potential we have the opportunity to exploit when inertial frames diverge.
My posit is that the translation between frames is not symmetrical for
different bond states of the atom, the nonradiative energy transfer is
opposed by bound atoms and not by unbound atoms turning these bond states
into a rectifier mechanism.

Cheers

Fran

 

RE: [Vo]:simulation of fractional hydrogen ashless

[Frank]

Robin

You have identified a missing link in my education - I was sure
a covalent bond released a photon in transferring to a lower energy state
just like an electron falling to a lower orbital. After Robin's comment
about 3body collisions I went looking for info on covalent bonds and the
photon emission I wrongly assumed. All these years I though a reduced energy
state equated to an orbital dropping to a lower orbit but apparently not.
This doesn't change my premise regarding the relativistic cavity being the
energy source that accelerates these atoms but it does mean I have to modify
the rules for emission of photons or show an alternate energy transfer. Any
citation or better keywords to search on the 3 body collision to produce
photons would be appreciated - for Now I simply removed photon emissions
from covalent bonds formed outside the cavity form the Sim and changed  the
description for emissions inside to "if two different fractional orbitals
form a fractional h2 molecule they give off what appears to be a blue photon
from our perspective outside the cavity" -  This may still be wrong and the
3 body requirement may be the same inside the cavity for different
fractional orbitals as well but it buys me some time to investigate a proper
fix for the simulation and there is the possibility that collisions between
orbitals of different fractional values will cause one of them to gain and
lose energy sufficient to produce a photon as they translate to a common
fractional value in their diatomic state.

 

Question: If you assume for a moment that change in Casimir force could
disassociate a covalent bond and restore the atoms to normal atomic orbital
strength.where does the excess energy go as the molecule oscillates between
bound and unbound states? Could the "3 body" interaction be accomplished
with just hydrogen and hydrogen ions since the atoms are essentially already
inside a giant catalyst? I think I need to go back and take a more careful
look at the Black Light Flash animation for this process. 

 

Regards

Fran

 

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/blog/7200-relativistic-interpretation-casimir
-effect.html-1 

 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:simulation of fractional hydrogen ashless

[Francis X Roarty]

In reply to Robin van Spaandonk's message of Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:12:16

 

[snip]I thought it was a well recognized fact that monatomic Hydrogen only
combines to

molecular Hydrogen in three body collisions? (I.e. not through emission of a

photon). That's why the Langmuir atomic Hydrogen torch works. If
recombination

by emission of a photon were possible, then the atomic Hydrogen formed in
the

arc would recombine long before it reached the work piece, and the whole
concept

would be useless (i.e. one might just as well use an arc welder).

[/snip]

  Robin you may be right but I didn't run into this in my first and only
2 years of engineering physics - I have a big gap where missing 3rd and 4th
year topics I try to pick up on as I need them but this may be a case where
I didn't even know I was lacking. I was under the impression from chemistry
that h1 will almost instantly reform to h2 if not heated into disassociation
-this 3 body collision stuff is news to me and not having too much luck with
google search on "molecular hydrogen 3 body collisions" - I keep getting
stuff on stellar hydrogen. Are you saying I should show a 3rd body in the
animation to justify the recombination? 

Regards

Fran

Re: [Vo]:simulation of fractional hydrogen ashless

[mixent]

In reply to  Roarty, Francis X's message of Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:47:17 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Jones,
>The large spheres outside the cavity are monatomic hydrogen which 
> occasionally collides to form h2 and give off a red photon, 

I thought it was a well recognized fact that monatomic Hydrogen only combines to
molecular Hydrogen in three body collisions? (I.e. not through emission of a
photon). That's why the Langmuir atomic Hydrogen torch works. If recombination
by emission of a photon were possible, then the atomic Hydrogen formed in the
arc would recombine long before it reached the work piece, and the whole concept
would be useless (i.e. one might just as well use an arc welder).

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

RE: [Vo]:simulation of fractional hydrogen ashless

[Roarty, Francis X]

Sorry - just realized I gave the URL for the SIM only -the page it is on =  
http://www.byzipp.com/animaTime.htm

RE: [Vo]:simulation of fractional hydrogen ashless

[Roarty, Francis X]

Jones,
The large spheres outside the cavity are monatomic hydrogen which 
occasionally collides to form h2 and give off a red photon, the h2 either gets 
repelled away from the entrance to the cavity or disassociates due to change in 
Casimir force which wants to change the atoms to a fractional state in 
opposition to the bond. Once inside the atoms shrink to fractional states - if 
they form a fractional h2 molecule they give off what appears to be a blue 
photon from our perspective outside the cavity. The new fractional molecule can 
no longer be simply repelled away from the change in Casimir force because it 
is already at an intermediate fractional value which is going to change no 
matter which direction gas law drives the molecule (assuming the geometry is 
dynamic and not smooth like inside a nanotube that only has cat action at 
openings and defects). As the molecule moves Casimir force accumulates trying 
to change the fractional orbit until it finally breaks the diatomic bond 
allowing the translation to occur.

I am not saying that hydrogen isn't stored as hydrides but this sim only 
focuses on the ash less chemistry that I believe occurs when the stage is 
properly set with atomic gas and a rigid catalyst with vigorous geometry 
(confinement). The fractional orbits inside the cavity react differently to 
Casimir effect depending on their bond state. diatoms outside the cavity resist 
the change in isotropy and get repelled or disassociated by proximity to the 
mouth of the cavity while atoms can translate freely into the cavity.

Regards
Fran

SIM 1.0 fractional hydrogen ash less chemistry



Thanks for the feedback -this is just Sim 1.0 and is less presentable than it 
will be in time.

RE: [Vo]:simulation of fractional hydrogen ashless

[Jones Beene]

Fran,

 

The large spheres are diatomic hydrogen when outside the cavity, but become
monatomic after "apparent shrinkage" from our perspective, due to time
dilation, then releasing the photon, is that correct?

 

To cover more actual experimental results, one might also suggest that "on
occasion", nuclear reactions can occur with the walls of the cavity, even if
that is not the main source of excess energy. In fact, this type of reaction
might only be a QM "balancing act" . 

 

One never knows, do one?

 

 

From: Roarty, Francis X 

 

SIM   1.0 fractional hydrogen ash less
chemistry

 

The diatoms formed inside cavity emit a blue photon and are soon
disassociated by motion relative to the Casimir geometry. 

 

Regards

fran