RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-11 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Nice recall Harry!

From: H Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, 
to 35%



On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Terry Blanton 
hohlr...@gmail.commailto:hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:09 PM, John Berry 
berry.joh...@gmail.commailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Axil, I think you need to add ether or aether to your spell check
 dictionary.

 Either or both, but not neither or you end up with 'either' ;)

Or 'aeither'.  :-)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ3fjQa5Hls

Harry


RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-10 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Axil, Good point regarding proof of the effect and actual construction of a 
useful product. The lack of evidence to date suggest the effect, if real, is 
extremely self destructive making replication at low power density  difficult 
enough but  extracting high power density is exponentially more difficult.  
Rossi has to keep his control loop balanced on the head of a pin with heat 
transfer fluid performing a huge fraction  of the control at low frequency and 
his high frequency loop by whatever means [heaters/plasmons] has to steer the 
NAE “window” created by the coolant flow to stay precisely on the top of that 
pin as he increases power out and flow rate in lock step. Engineering an end 
product with these constrains will make the manufacture of a Lamborghini look 
like child’s play. To increase robustness and flexibility of this effect it may 
be the resilience of the product to self destruction that needs the most 
attention, better heat sinking, higher melting temps, thermal uniformity and a 
faster control loop to excite and retard the reaction. If we have to balance it 
on the head of a needle than we should concentrate on doing that better and 
faster. IMHO we only see a small fractions of the hot spots – those that 
survive self destruction by being at a precise thermal distance from the 
coolant while the closer geometry self destructs/ melts closed and he more 
distant don’t achieve the initial runaway state we need to bridle.
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:30 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, 
to 35%

There is a big difference between a certain physical process being valid and 
the commercial viability of a product based on that process.

Just because a spark will explode gasoline vapor does not imply that a 
Lamborghini can be designed to use that principle or that the car will sell in 
the marketplace. Designing the car requires far more science and engineering 
fields than demonstrating gasoline detonation.

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:53 AM, John Berry 
berry.joh...@gmail.commailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
Kevin, I can only assume you have misunderstood what I was saying.

Earlier you said: Not even Pons  Fleischmann can lay claim to having found the 
effect.

Which sound to me something like the great (not even) PF can't claim they 
definitively had a real effect, so Neither can Rossi be rightly certian...

Which made it seem to me like maybe you thought that Rossi himself was ignorant 
of if his effect was real or not.

Maybe I misunderstood you, but the point I was making is that if there is a 
real effect that Rossi is tapping into or not is unaffected entirely by Rossi's 
knowledge or belief surrounding such.

Personally I believe so-called cold fusion to be an aetheric effect, and has 
the associated difficulties.
I have not paid Rossi a great deal of attention, but moving monatomic hydrogen 
gas through nickle powder sound like something that should have a robust 
aetheric effect to me.

But because I have low interest in wet and heat forms of FE/OU I have 
insufficient study of Rossi to have drawn an independent opinion.
But my opinion based on others study is that he is either an amazing magician 
or has the real thing, and has little motive to be faking and has an MO that is 
at odds with a con man.

But my opinion of Rossi is meaningless.

As is the randomness of quantum probabilities on the fact that probability has 
nothing to do with Rossi having anything real or not.

John