Re: [Vo]:Attacking website

2015-11-24 Thread Alain Sepeda 
there is theory on that, and this is more a rule than an exception.
Mindguard emerge on the motivation to be thanked for their efforts to
enforce the groupthink.
There is a feeling of sacrifice, morality, which tend to be unconditional,
and justify horrific behaviors perceived as required for the sake of public
interest.

Note that in many situation this is a good thing that some people stops bad
behaviors, like some people engage into resistance or the army.
Problem is that sometime it is defending the wrong position, and nobody can
make the difference between the good and the bad.

This is what Kuhn call incommensurability of paradigm, what feyerabend
explains to justify "scientific anarchism".

Mindguard emergence is an heuristic, done to quickly go the the most
probable good state.
My feeling is that there is also an innate tendency of a minority of humans
to dissent which is the solution to that majority behavior.

As Roland Benabou concludes in his papers on Groupthink, freedom of speech,
is a requirement to prevent groupthink.

Each time you see that FOS is not respected for what seems a good reason,
be afraid. It looks good, but it can really prevent a reality to emerge. I
agree that some speech are really annoying if not criminal, but many good
speech, who bring goodness to humanity, have been flagged as criminal
speech.

my feeling is that there is no way to separate good from bad, perfectly.

2015-11-23 18:50 GMT+01:00 Lennart Thornros :

> It is hard to understand that some people are more interested in judging
> than arguing the content. Personally I do not see the point in that kind of
> behavior.
> How can anybody feel good from hurting or diminish another person. Not
> that I promote that, but at least I can see the motivation, if it entice
> some personal winning. Here it is just judging for the sake of judging.
>
> Best Regards ,
> Lennart Thornros
>
>
> lenn...@thornros.com
> +1 916 436 1899
>
> Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
> enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Eric Walker 
> wrote:
>
>> This is what insecure people do.  They seek out people they think are
>> vulnerable to some kind of attack in order to make them look bad.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:41 PM, H Ucar  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Soon after my corresponce has been put on the blog (
>>> https://upitec.wordpress.com) a personal attack refering my name has
>>> been published on at https://crackpotwatch.wordpress.com
>>>
>>> I think this is ill practice.
>>>
>>>
>>> H Ucar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Attacking website

2015-11-24 Thread Eric Walker 
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Alain Sepeda 
wrote:

This is what Kuhn call incommensurability of paradigm, what feyerabend
> explains to justify "scientific anarchism".
>

You might be right about the applicability of Kuhn's idea of
incommensurability of paradigm here.

I think Feyerabend's point, which has been called "anarchism," was a little
different.  I believe he was responding to Popper and others who wanted to
give a clear, pat description of/prescription for the scientific method.
Feyerabend was saying that things are not so clear-cut. You have scientists
discovering amazing things, and often they don't follow hard-and-fast rules
about what science is supposed to be about.  What is science, then?  It's
whatever good scientists do.  This is Feyerabend's "scientific anarchism."

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Attacking website

2015-11-23 Thread H Ucar 
Beside the motivation, defaming scientists/researchers can have serious 
consequences as it happened in CF.
H Ucar

Lennart Thornros > wrote:


> How can anybody feel good from hurting or diminish another person.
>

Re: [Vo]:Attacking website

2015-11-23 Thread Lennart Thornros 
It is hard to understand that some people are more interested in judging
than arguing the content. Personally I do not see the point in that kind of
behavior.
How can anybody feel good from hurting or diminish another person. Not that
I promote that, but at least I can see the motivation, if it entice some
personal winning. Here it is just judging for the sake of judging.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> This is what insecure people do.  They seek out people they think are
> vulnerable to some kind of attack in order to make them look bad.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:41 PM, H Ucar  wrote:
>
>>
>> Soon after my corresponce has been put on the blog (
>> https://upitec.wordpress.com) a personal attack refering my name has
>> been published on at https://crackpotwatch.wordpress.com
>>
>> I think this is ill practice.
>>
>>
>> H Ucar
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Attacking website

2015-11-23 Thread Jed Rothwell 
Lennart Thornros  wrote:


> How can anybody feel good from hurting or diminish another person.
>

That is very common behavior! It is found in all cultures. Bullying and
schadenfreude are two examples.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Attacking website

2015-11-23 Thread Lennart Thornros 
Jawohl - Schadenfreude ist ganz gewöhnlich.
I know that. I just cannot see that as motivation.
To me it seems a waste of energy and I am a lazy guy.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Lennart Thornros  wrote:
>
>
>> How can anybody feel good from hurting or diminish another person.
>>
>
> That is very common behavior! It is found in all cultures. Bullying and
> schadenfreude are two examples.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Attacking website

2015-11-22 Thread Eric Walker 
This is what insecure people do.  They seek out people they think are
vulnerable to some kind of attack in order to make them look bad.

Eric


On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:41 PM, H Ucar  wrote:

>
> Soon after my corresponce has been put on the blog (
> https://upitec.wordpress.com) a personal attack refering my name has been
> published on at https://crackpotwatch.wordpress.com
>
> I think this is ill practice.
>
>
> H Ucar
>
>
>