Re: [Vo]:Crystals of Time
Robin, I would agree with your atoms as time crystals assessment. IMHO or working man's model, Time and gravity are related in a relativistic way. the nucleus opposes displacement along the time axis much more than it's orbitals such that the electrons swirl behind on their electrical tethers Never catching up.. when a group of atoms bond together you start to increase this resistance to time flow even if individually they have the same resistance, slowly building a macro gravity well around themselves that represents the difference between an empty vacuum and one with matter. The well grows because matter accumulates in the well forming a leaky sail and bonding enough of these sails close together slowly increases pressure on a macro scale . Of course the purpose of the article was to support vacuum engineering beyond normal gravitational accumulation and I think they are promoting some sort of Puthoff vacuum engineering to segregate these pressures using other means.. Fran -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:32 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Crystals of Time In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Mon, 13 May 2013 14:23:14 -0400: Hi, [snip] Viewpoint: Crystals of Time Researchers propose how to realize time crystals, structures whose lowest-energy states are periodic both in time and space. http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/116 quote Time crystals may sound dangerously close to a perpetual motion machine, but it is worth emphasizing one key difference: while time crystals would indeed move periodically in an eternal loop, rotation occurs in the ground state, with no work being carried out nor any usable energy being extracted from the system. They are called Hydrinos. ;) (Perhaps more generally atoms). Finding time crystals would not amount to a violation of well-established principles of thermodynamics. If they can be created, time crystals may have intriguing applications, from precise timekeeping to the simulation of ground states in quantum computing schemes. But they may be much more than advanced devices. Could the postulated cyclic evolution of the Universe be seen as a manifestation of spontaneous symmetry breaking akin to that of a time crystal? If so, who is the observer inducing-by a measurement-the breaking of the symmetry of time? end quote Comment: If the time crystal continues to beat at the same rate despite being measured then it violates the second law of thermodynamics. Harry Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Crystals of Time
Time Crystals search: Kozyrev ( Russian Astrophysicist) Time and Turpentine ..a Levo-Chiral natural molecule. Ron Kita, Chiralex as they say: turpentine is cheap. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Robin, I would agree with your atoms as time crystals assessment. IMHO or working man's model, Time and gravity are related in a relativistic way. the nucleus opposes displacement along the time axis much more than it's orbitals such that the electrons swirl behind on their electrical tethers Never catching up.. when a group of atoms bond together you start to increase this resistance to time flow even if individually they have the same resistance, slowly building a macro gravity well around themselves that represents the difference between an empty vacuum and one with matter. The well grows because matter accumulates in the well forming a leaky sail and bonding enough of these sails close together slowly increases pressure on a macro scale . Of course the purpose of the article was to support vacuum engineering beyond normal gravitational accumulation and I think they are promoting some sort of Puthoff vacuum engineering to segregate these pressures using other means.. Fran -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:32 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Crystals of Time In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Mon, 13 May 2013 14:23:14 -0400: Hi, [snip] Viewpoint: Crystals of Time Researchers propose how to realize time crystals, structures whose lowest-energy states are periodic both in time and space. http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/116 quote Time crystals may sound dangerously close to a perpetual motion machine, but it is worth emphasizing one key difference: while time crystals would indeed move periodically in an eternal loop, rotation occurs in the ground state, with no work being carried out nor any usable energy being extracted from the system. They are called Hydrinos. ;) (Perhaps more generally atoms). Finding time crystals would not amount to a violation of well-established principles of thermodynamics. If they can be created, time crystals may have intriguing applications, from precise timekeeping to the simulation of ground states in quantum computing schemes. But they may be much more than advanced devices. Could the postulated cyclic evolution of the Universe be seen as a manifestation of spontaneous symmetry breaking akin to that of a time crystal? If so, who is the observer inducing-by a measurement-the breaking of the symmetry of time? end quote Comment: If the time crystal continues to beat at the same rate despite being measured then it violates the second law of thermodynamics. Harry Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Crystals of Time
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Mon, 13 May 2013 14:23:14 -0400: Hi, [snip] Viewpoint: Crystals of Time Researchers propose how to realize time crystals, structures whose lowest-energy states are periodic both in time and space. http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/116 quote Time crystals may sound dangerously close to a perpetual motion machine, but it is worth emphasizing one key difference: while time crystals would indeed move periodically in an eternal loop, rotation occurs in the ground state, with no work being carried out nor any usable energy being extracted from the system. They are called Hydrinos. ;) (Perhaps more generally atoms). Finding time crystals would not amount to a violation of well-established principles of thermodynamics. If they can be created, time crystals may have intriguing applications, from precise timekeeping to the simulation of ground states in quantum computing schemes. But they may be much more than advanced devices. Could the postulated cyclic evolution of the Universe be seen as a manifestation of spontaneous symmetry breaking akin to that of a time crystal? If so, who is the observer inducingby a measurementthe breaking of the symmetry of time? end quote Comment: If the time crystal continues to beat at the same rate despite being measured then it violates the second law of thermodynamics. Harry Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Crystals of Time
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Viewpoint: Crystals of Time Researchers propose how to realize time crystals, structures whose lowest-energy states are periodic both in time and space. http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/116 quote Time crystals may sound dangerously close to a perpetual motion machine, but it is worth emphasizing one key difference: while time crystals would indeed move periodically in an eternal loop, rotation occurs in the ground state, with no work being carried out nor any usable energy being extracted from the system. Finding time crystals would not amount to a violation of well-established principles of thermodynamics. If they can be created, time crystals may have intriguing applications, from precise timekeeping to the simulation of ground states in quantum computing schemes. But they may be much more than advanced devices. Could the postulated cyclic evolution of the Universe be seen as a manifestation of spontaneous symmetry breaking akin to that of a time crystal? If so, who is the observer inducing—by a measurement—the breaking of the symmetry of time? end quote Comment: If the time crystal continues to beat at the same rate despite being measured then it violates the second law of thermodynamics. Harry Also, if a system can produce endless amounts of information but no useful energy, that should be enough to call it a perpetual motion machine! THE MEANING OF MOTION IS NOT REDUCEABLE TO ENERGY. harry
Re: [Vo]:Crystals of Time
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote: Viewpoint: Crystals of Time Researchers propose how to realize time crystals, structures whose lowest-energy states are periodic both in time and space. http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/116 quote Time crystals may sound dangerously close to a perpetual motion machine, but it is worth emphasizing one key difference: while time crystals would indeed move periodically in an eternal loop, rotation occurs in the ground state, with no work being carried out nor any usable energy being extracted from the system. Finding time crystals would not amount to a violation of well-established ruprinciples of thermodynamics. If they can be created, time crystals may have intriguing applications, from precise timekeeping to the simulation of ground states in quantum computing schemes. But they may be much more than advanced devices. Could the postulated cyclic evolution of the Universe be seen as a manifestation of spontaneous symmetry breaking akin to that of a time crystal? If so, who is the observer inducing—by a measurement—the breaking of the symmetry of time? end quote Comment: If the time crystal continues to beat at the same rate despite being measured then it violates the second law of thermodynamics. Harry Also, if a system can produce endless amounts of information but no useful energy, that should be enough to call it a perpetual motion machine! THE MEANING OF MOTION IS NOT REDUCEABLE TO ENERGY. harry reducible It seems google spell check does not underline spelling mistakes if you type in caps. harry
