Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed
Jarold, I do not understand from where this myth is spreading. Defkalion has not violated anything they have said. There has already been made two out of seven independent validation tests following precisely the test protocol. And they were successful as far as we know. Too bad that Dick Smith did not want to do the eighth test that was offered to him. It is certainly not Defkalion's duty to publish the results of third party independent validation tests! I think that Defkalion has now reached the point where chattering in Internet chat room is no longer relevant, because they can let the raw data to speak for them. Data is what we want and words are irrelevant. ―Jouni On 2 Mar 2012, at 08:13, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: I don't think the skepticism was bad at all on their forums. I also don't think it is the reason they shut down the forum. Why wouldn't they just ban them? The only thing anyone should care about at this point is independent verification. I don't know what they were expecting from a forum. How did they not know that a lot of people only care about independent verification, and if Defkalion is not willing to provide that, why set up a forum? The criticism was their own fault when they failed to follow their own protocols. I'm not going to accept this secret test BS much longer, either. They said they'd provide independent verification the first months of this year. I assume that means non secret independent verification by the end of this month, and I expect them to do this. If they don't, I'll become the next MaryYugo and really harp on Defkalion and Rossi. Actually, I probably won't because I'll just stop wasting my time on this pointless drama. On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Craig Brown wrote: This is all because of the MaryYugo's of the world. Irrational fear of the unknown coupled with a twisted desire to preserve scientific dogma. They would not have closed the forum had it not been for these clowns who think a scam lurks around every corner in their sad lives. Original Message Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, March 02, 2012 1:40 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I have been there almost as long as the moderators. Now I get this message when I try to post: You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum sigh I hope they have something. If not, we are all fools. I am not amused. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed
*Ithink that it is a problem of image in front of very conservative officials... anyway la nature a horreur du vide http://www.defkalion.se/ don't know if it is a good forum... * 2012/3/2 Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com I don't think the skepticism was bad at all on their forums. I also don't think it is the reason they shut down the forum. Why wouldn't they just ban them? The only thing anyone should care about at this point is independent verification. I don't know what they were expecting from a forum. How did they not know that a lot of people only care about independent verification, and if Defkalion is not willing to provide that, why set up a forum? The criticism was their own fault when they failed to follow their own protocols. I'm not going to accept this secret test BS much longer, either. They said they'd provide independent verification the first months of this year. I assume that means non secret independent verification by the end of this month, and I expect them to do this. If they don't, I'll become the next MaryYugo and really harp on Defkalion and Rossi. Actually, I probably won't because I'll just stop wasting my time on this pointless drama. On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Craig Brown wrote: This is all because of the MaryYugo's of the world. Irrational fear of the unknown coupled with a twisted desire to preserve scientific dogma. They would not have closed the forum had it not been for these clowns who think a scam lurks around every corner in their sad lives. Original Message Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, March 02, 2012 1:40 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I have been there almost as long as the moderators. Now I get this message when I try to post: You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum sigh I hope they have something. If not, we are all fools. I am not amused. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed
While i agree on the fact that Defkalion somehow did what what they said they would do (allowing independent testing), meanwhile where are the tests protocols (maybe i missed something) ? I believe they're sending mixed signals by closing the forum. I can totally understand the fact they want to work in peace, but public relations is an important part of any business these days (i know they want to license the technology, so maybe they think they don't need it anymore). Shutting down the line won't make the message go away, it will reroute. More moderation would probably do the job while keeping the line open. Now, I am waiting as everyone else to see some testing data released, of course Defkalion can't publish them because everyone would claim they are forged, and the tester has no obligation to do so, so this can take a while. Looking at the dark side (what i'm going to write is pure speculation on my part and should be seen as science-fiction ) : Since Siros and falkonide broke up, falkonide always seemed to try to keep the line open with Siros , while Siros clearly stated he was over with it. Anyway since the testing phase started, i noticed more messages popping around suggesting that falkonide stole from Siros , whether this is true or not is irrelevant. What is important is that on the internet, stories spreads at the speed of light. Maybe someone has an insight on what is going on at falkonide , i don't, but if i was them, i would know that these rumors are bad for business and even worst if you're are trying to attract potential licensees and investors (Who wants to be sued ?). The best way to avoid discussing those subjects was to close the forum. This question would have popped up like a grasshopper without bringing more information. Not much of a choice or a distraction, just business as usual. I should ask seti if they have some infos, they say they've got plenty of data to analyse at http://www.setilive.org/ ;) From: Jouni Valkonen ... To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed I think that Defkalion has now reached the point where chattering in Internet chat room is no longer relevant, because they can let the raw data to speak for them. Data is what we want and words are irrelevant.
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed
This is all because of the MaryYugo's of the world. Irrational fear of the unknown coupled with a twisted desire to preserve scientific dogma. They would not have closed the forum had it not been for these clowns who think a scam lurks around every corner in their sad lives. Original Message Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, March 02, 2012 1:40 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I have been there almost as long as the moderators. Now I get this message when I try to post: You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum sigh I hope they have something. If not, we are all fools. I am not amused. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed
I don't think the skepticism was bad at all on their forums. I also don't think it is the reason they shut down the forum. Why wouldn't they just ban them? The only thing anyone should care about at this point is independent verification. I don't know what they were expecting from a forum. How did they not know that a lot of people only care about independent verification, and if Defkalion is not willing to provide that, why set up a forum? The criticism was their own fault when they failed to follow their own protocols. I'm not going to accept this secret test BS much longer, either. They said they'd provide independent verification the first months of this year. I assume that means non secret independent verification by the end of this month, and I expect them to do this. If they don't, I'll become the next MaryYugo and really harp on Defkalion and Rossi. Actually, I probably won't because I'll just stop wasting my time on this pointless drama. On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Craig Brown wrote: This is all because of the MaryYugo's of the world. Irrational fear of the unknown coupled with a twisted desire to preserve scientific dogma. They would not have closed the forum had it not been for these clowns who think a scam lurks around every corner in their sad lives. Original Message Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, March 02, 2012 1:40 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I have been there almost as long as the moderators. Now I get this message when I try to post: You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum sigh I hope they have something. If not, we are all fools. I am not amused. T
