Re: [Vo]:Huge/Mysterious E-field found in cold gases
This all comes from the uncertainty principle. When electrons are tightly confined, there energy levels go out of sight. Energy and distances are directly related in quantum mechanics. On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:50 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: [From the article:] A potential of around 14.5 volts appeared spontaneously on the film, which in turn produced an enormous electrical field of more than 100 million volts per metre. This lends credence to my hunch that the E-fields that can arise at the nano- and micro-levels in a metal are enormous. Where there are enormous electric fields, there is acceleration. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Huge/Mysterious E-field found in cold gases
In the particular case of LENR (rather than supercooled laughing gas), my suspicion is that the potentials have to do with buildup of electrons in dialectically insulated grains (e.g., grains with insulating impurities interposing between them). Once a potential reaches a certain level, the built-up charge will then discharge like a capacitor firing off. The absolute amount of charge involved in a single event may be minuscule, but on a microscopic scale I'm guessing that the strength of the field that arise before the discharge can often be astronomical. Eric On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This all comes from the uncertainty principle. When electrons are tightly confined, there energy levels go out of sight. Energy and distances are directly related in quantum mechanics. On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:50 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: [From the article:] A potential of around 14.5 volts appeared spontaneously on the film, which in turn produced an enormous electrical field of more than 100 million volts per metre. This lends credence to my hunch that the E-fields that can arise at the nano- and micro-levels in a metal are enormous. Where there are enormous electric fields, there is acceleration. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Huge/Mysterious E-field found in cold gases
On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Eric Walker my suspicion is that the potentials have to do with buildup of electrons in dialectically insulated grains This is not the first time I have mistyped that. I suppose they might in fact be dialectically insulated metal grains. In this case they should also be dielectrically insulted as well. Eric
RE: [Vo]:Huge/Mysterious E-field found in cold gases
You may be trying to describe a Mott Insulator From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 10:38 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Huge/Mysterious E-field found in cold gases On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Eric Walker my suspicion is that the potentials have to do with buildup of electrons in dialectically insulated grains This is not the first time I have mistyped that. I suppose they might in fact be dialectically insulated metal grains. In this case they should also be dielectrically insulted as well. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Huge/Mysterious E-field found in cold gases
Spontaneous electric fields in solid films: spontelectrics Published online: 12 Mar 2013 F ull paper available here. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0144235X.2013.767109 Abstract When dipolar gases are condensed at sufficiently low temperature onto a solid surface, they form films that may spontaneously exhibit electric fields in excess of 108 V/m. This effect, called the ‘spontelectric effect’, was recently revealed using an instrument designed to measure scattering and capture of low energy electrons by molecular films. In this review it is described how this discovery was made and the properties of materials that display the spontelectric effect, so-called ‘spontelectrics’, are set out. A discussion is included of properties that differentiate spontelectrics from ferroelectrics and other species in which spontaneous polarisation may be found. Spontelectric films may be composed of a number of quite mundane dipolar molecules that involve such diverse dipolar species as propane, nitrous oxide or methyl formate. Experimental results are presented for spontelectrics illustrating that the spontelectric field generally decreases monotonically with increasing deposition temperature, with the exception of methyl formate that shows an increase beyond a critical range of deposition temperature. Films of spontelectric material show a Curie temperature above which the spontelectric effect disappears. Heterolayers may also be laid down creating potential wells on the nanoscale. A model is put forward based upon competition between dipole alignment and thermal disorder, which is successful in reproducing the variation of the degree of dipole alignment and the spontelectric field with deposition temperature, including the behaviour of methyl formate. This model and associated data lead to the conclusion that the spontelectric effect is new in solid-state physics and that spontelectrics represent a new class of materials. Harry On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Eric Walker my suspicion is that the potentials have to do with buildup of electrons in dialectically insulated grains This is not the first time I have mistyped that. I suppose they might in fact be dialectically insulated metal grains. In this case they should also be dielectrically insulted as well. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Huge/Mysterious E-field found in cold gases
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:50 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: [From the article:] A potential of around 14.5 volts appeared spontaneously on the film, which in turn produced an enormous electrical field of more than 100 million volts per metre. This lends credence to my hunch that the E-fields that can arise at the nano- and micro-levels in a metal are enormous. Where there are enormous electric fields, there is acceleration. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Huge/Mysterious E-field found in cold gases
Great find. The article linked to this article which goes into a bit more detail. http://sciencenordic.com/historic-discovery-huge-electric-field-occurs-spontaneously-laughing-gas After the phenomena of superconductivity was first discovered at very low temperatures people began searching for higher temperature superconductors, so I wonder if the phenomena of spontelectrics can occur at higher temperatures too. Harry On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: FYI: http://www.sciencealert.com/huge-and-mysterious-electric-field-found-in-ice-cold-laughing-gas “It was supposed to be a routine experiment, but the team soon realised something was amiss. A potential of around 14.5 volts appeared spontaneously on the film, which in turn produced an enormous electrical field of more than 100 million volts per metre. Based on widely accepted notions in physics, there should have been no electric current whatsoever.” Publication reference, PDF available for free: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2014/cp/c4cp03659j#!divAbstract -Mark
Re: [Vo]:Huge/Mysterious E-field found in cold gases
This is an example of EMF amplification in plasmonics, a key in EMF amplification mechanism in the theory of E Cat design. At the interface of a metal and a dielectric, a layer of free electrons are trapped by an Evanescent wave. The electrons are confined between two perfect reflective mirrors. To understand how it all works, read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave Nitrous Oxide (32° F) has a dielectric constant of 1.6. The interface layer between the metal and the dielectric gas traps electrons at the boundary of the gas/metal interface. The dipole vibration in the gold caused by the photon excitation at visible wave lengths produce the electron cloud at the dielectric interface. This effect is the same that occurs between nickel and hydrogen in the E-Cat. There is a more powerful effect in the E-Cat because the dipole motion of the nickel atoms are resonant with black body heat photons when the micro-particle size is between 2 and 5 microns. On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:21 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Great find. The article linked to this article which goes into a bit more detail. http://sciencenordic.com/historic-discovery-huge-electric-field-occurs-spontaneously-laughing-gas After the phenomena of superconductivity was first discovered at very low temperatures people began searching for higher temperature superconductors, so I wonder if the phenomena of spontelectrics can occur at higher temperatures too. Harry On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: FYI: http://www.sciencealert.com/huge-and-mysterious-electric-field-found-in-ice-cold-laughing-gas “It was supposed to be a routine experiment, but the team soon realised something was amiss. A potential of around 14.5 volts appeared spontaneously on the film, which in turn produced an enormous electrical field of more than 100 million volts per metre. Based on widely accepted notions in physics, there should have been no electric current whatsoever.” Publication reference, PDF available for free: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2014/cp/c4cp03659j#!divAbstract -Mark
