Re: [Vo]:Nonsense about rare earths
*The Chinese have temporarily cornered the market by driving others out of the business. Naturally, they will jack up the cost and try to hurt the Japanese manufacturers. Any business would do that if they could get away with it.* I agree, the Chinese have used the supply of rare earths to corners the green energy market. China wants to be the world’s exclusive provider of green energy. Recently, when the US invested $3 billion to jump start solar, China invested $30 billion as a counter. Why should the US do anything different from China? After all, The US sells oil on the international market at the price OPEC sets. If the US wants to be a player in green energy, they would be out of their heads to sell Japan the keys to the green kingdom at rock bottom prices. The US will build the windmills and solar panels and sell them to Japan at the price that China sets (AKA international cartel). Why would the US want Japan or Germany as competitors in the Green energy market? The US does not want to lose the green market to Japan or Germany. Remember the US wants jobs, jobs, jobs… especially green jobs and they will use rare earths as leverage to get those jobs... which is, if they are smart…America hasn’t been too smart in international trade strategy of late so if they do the smart thing…the RIGHT thing… is another question. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The Japanese will be at the tender mercies of the Chinese for the rare earth materials absolutely required to produce and manufacture this green stuff. But like Germany, they will be forced to buy it from the Chinese at whatever the market will bear. That is silly. This whole rare earths controversy has been blow out of proportion. The U.S. and Canada could outproduce China in rare earths starting a few years from now. The U.S. was the world's biggest producer until recently, and we have not run out. We stopped because the Chinese mine the stuff at a lower cost, because they ignore mining safety and environmental regulations. (They have such regulations, but they ignore them.) U.S. production is now restarting. The Chinese have temporarily cornered the market by driving others out of the business. Naturally, they will jack up the cost and try to hurt the Japanese manufacturers. Any business would do that if they could get away with it. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Nonsense about rare earths
Von: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:03 Mittwoch, 4.April 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Nonsense about rare earths I agree, the Chinese have used the supply of rare earths to corners the green energy market. Axil, The overall strategy of the Chinese is still not recognized, due to the blindness of western free-market capitalist managers. Right now, Q-cells (Germany) , once the worlds largest manufacturer of solar cells, went bankrupt. The German solar industry is basically collapsing right now. The argument for non-interventionism is, that the western industrial nations should concentrate on high-tech, and not economy of scale, where German and other companies deliver complerte factories to China, because this is their expertise. Do some thinking, and you see that this is completely nonsensical, and is an invention of the managerial class, which mainly looks after quarterly profits. Western capitalism currently sells its western IP-stock out to China. Why? Because the Chinese found out, that the weak spot of the West is the delusions of the managerial caste of the West,m and its delusional concept of short-term-profit-maximization. Everything is for sale for a quarterly profit. In a time of backdoor trojans. who enter the whole system, the strategy of western corporations seems to be beyond the ridiculous. Thats it. G.
Re: [Vo]:Nonsense about rare earths
Von:Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:58 Mittwoch, 4.April 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Nonsense about rare earths This, btw, has nothing to do with opening up US-rare-earth mines, as Jed opined. This is just a reverberation of western free-market-capitalist ideology, which bases its belief on that money/scarcity buys resources, which it evidently does not. Whether this is due to a endemic dumbing down of western capitalism, because it is not the 'captains of industry' of ancient times any more, who identify needs, but the captains of financial casino-capitalism, who seem to not know a bit about 'real wealth', I leave to the reader. We are walking on a suicide-trail, led by a bunch of testosterone-deluded scam-artists, who believe in a virtualized society, doing no real work. G.
Re: [Vo]:Nonsense about rare earths
Von: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com An: Vortex List vortex-l@eskimo.com; Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com Gesendet: 21:44 Mittwoch, 4.April 2012 Betreff: [Vo]:Nonsense about rare earths your vision seems right. Thanks guys. There seem to be some sane people out there. Even in the LENR-crowd! Or BECAUSE of their dissident beliefs. Anyway. We have to keep a critical distance, may it be about LENR or the pragnatic takeover of the Chinese, who do not care a bit about our -ahem- delusions, whatever they are. Remember: The Chinese play 'Go', the Westerners play 'chess' on the SAME playing field, which is the world at large, and not a game, as imagined by the managerical class of glass-bead players, as Hermann Hesse would have said in a different context. G.
