Re: [Vo]:Press release from Defkalion:
During the months since January 2011, both interested parties (Andrea Rossi through EFA and Defkalion Green Technologies) have received very strong international pressure and to many degrees business traps from banks, financial partners, etc. to cancel the project. It's about time the Rothchilds weighed in to protect the Rockefellers. Hmm, I wonder why this is not on Defkalion's web site? T
Re: [Vo]:Press release from Defkalion:
I think that Defkalion lies with statement. The economic value of E-Cat is about 86 teradollars per year. Therefore there is just no such economic influence that could have any impact on E-Cat. If Exxon tries to influence to E-Cat it is like a mosquito trying to influence the orbit of Earth. E-Cat's economic value is at least four orders of magnitude higher than Exxon's. —Jouni
Re: [Vo]:Press release from Defkalion:
Hi, On 8-8-2011 13:44, Terry Blanton wrote: During the months since January 2011, both interested parties (Andrea Rossi through EFA and Defkalion Green Technologies) have received very strong international pressure and to many degrees business traps from banks, financial partners, etc. to cancel the project. It's about time the Rothchilds weighed in to protect the Rockefellers. Hmm, I wonder why this is not on Defkalion's web site? T Who or what is going to pull the RAbbIT out the hat? Ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Man Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Press release from Defkalion:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: I think that Defkalion lies with statement. The economic value of E-Cat is about 86 teradollars per year. Therefore there is just no such economic influence that could have any impact on E-Cat. If Exxon tries to influence to E-Cat it is like a mosquito trying to influence the orbit of Earth. E-Cat's economic value is at least four orders of magnitude higher than Exxon's. There's a big difference between having the money now and having the money tomorrow. T
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Terry, if i take a peek into stock markets, the difference is nonexisting! ;-) On Aug 8, 2011 3:29 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: I think that Defkalion lies with statement. The economic value of E-Cat is about 86 teradollars per year. Therefore there is just no such economic influence that could have any impact on E-Cat. If Exxon tries to influence to E-Cat it is like a mosquito trying to influence the orbit of Earth. E-Cat's economic value is at least four orders of magnitude higher than Exxon's. There's a big difference between having the money now and having the money tomorrow. T
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, if i take a peek into stock markets, the difference is nonexisting! ;-) Indeed, this man knows: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/worlds-richest-man-carlos-slim-loses-67-billion-estimates-say/story-e6frg6so-1226110224598 T
RE: [Vo]:Press release from Defkalion:
After reading Defkalion's response: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3228643.ece/BINARY/DGT+Statement+8+Au gust+2011.pdf Another excerpt: Defkalion believes in Andrea Rossi, his invention, and the ability to successfully bring to the world this revolutionary invention where society will benefit from cheaper energy, and so too the planet from cleaner energy. I Was struck by what appears to be an almost conciliatory approach they have taken in a response to Rossi's desire to back out. Defkalion gives me the impression that in the long run they still hope to remain in a partnership with Rossi. Is it possible Defkalion fears the consequences of Rossi's alleged new U.S. partnership with Ampenegro? I'm not sure I buy that. In any case, the response causes me to speculate that maybe it was Defkalion that had been bending the truth, or at least bending it more than what Rossi has been alleged to have done. If so, knowing Rossi's propensity to be a little creative (or loose) with his own statements on occasion, it's hard to know who is revealing a more accurate picture of what's gong on. I'm reminded of something Mr. Blanton recently speculated on, that perhaps the secret sauce angle had been a ruse all along, that the secret has much more to do with overall geometry of the nickel particles as they interact with hydrogen. Such a premise does make me wonder. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Press release from Defkalion:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:48 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I'm reminded of something Mr. Blanton recently speculated on, that perhaps the secret sauce angle had been a ruse all along, that the secret has much more to do with overall geometry of the nickel particles as they interact with hydrogen. Such a premise does make me wonder. Well, Jones says there definitely is a catalyst: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg50117.html And it's a Mills' catalyst at that. Of course, Randell says all the world is a catalyst. T
Re: [Vo]:Press release from Defkalion:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:48 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I'm reminded of something Mr. Blanton recently speculated on, that perhaps the secret sauce angle had been a ruse all along, that the secret has much more to do with overall geometry of the nickel particles as they interact with hydrogen. Such a premise does make me wonder. Well, Jones says there definitely is a catalyst: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg50117.html And it's a Mills' catalyst at that. Of course, Randell says all the world is a catalyst. I'll render a guess that it's KaCO3. ;-) T
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my old guess is: it is Ni(e)NTe On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:48 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I'm reminded of something Mr. Blanton recently speculated on, that perhaps the secret sauce angle had been a ruse all along, that the secret has much more to do with overall geometry of the nickel particles as they interact with hydrogen. Such a premise does make me wonder. Well, Jones says there definitely is a catalyst: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg50117.html And it's a Mills' catalyst at that. Of course, Randell says all the world is a catalyst. I'll render a guess that it's KaCO3. ;-) T -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Press release from Defkalion:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I'll render a guess that it's KaCO3. That's a mix of potassium carbonate and calcium carbonate. ;-) T
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: my old guess is: it is Ni(e)NTe I tend to stick with you on that; but, Jones usually has inside information and loves to tease us. T
RE: [Vo]:Press release from Defkalion:
On Monday, August 08, 2011 8:49 AM Steven Vincent Johnson wrote [snip] I'm reminded of something Mr. Blanton recently speculated on, that perhaps the secret sauce angle had been a ruse all along, that the secret has much more to do with overall geometry of the nickel particles as they interact with hydrogen. Such a premise does make me wonder.[/snip] Steven, The secret addition may or may not need to be a catalyst if it is the SHAPE of the Nickel grains and how they Interlock with each other that is the controlling factor. I suggest the pyrophoricity of metal powders is also heavily dependent on grain SHAPE and this is why some metals exhibit this property as fine powders while others do not. Grain sizes mentioned by Rossi would seem over size for Casimir geometry - HOWEVER- If it is the SHAPE of these Ni grains and the way the protrusions fit together as in packing geometry than the shape and size of the additive become extremely important because they are not just backfilling between the existing packing geometry [protrusion] but also creating new geometry as the additive is almost certainly conductive to the extent needed to form Casimir boundaries between the protrusions - Like a jar full of toy jacks where the secret sauce is made of tiny smaller jacks that back fill between the interlocking spikes of the larger jacks. IMHO Fran -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 8:49 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Press release from Defkalion: After reading Defkalion's response: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3228643.ece/BINARY/DGT+Statement+8+Au gust+2011.pdf Another excerpt: Defkalion believes in Andrea Rossi, his invention, and the ability to successfully bring to the world this revolutionary invention where society will benefit from cheaper energy, and so too the planet from cleaner energy. I Was struck by what appears to be an almost conciliatory approach they have taken in a response to Rossi's desire to back out. Defkalion gives me the impression that in the long run they still hope to remain in a partnership with Rossi. Is it possible Defkalion fears the consequences of Rossi's alleged new U.S. partnership with Ampenegro? I'm not sure I buy that. In any case, the response causes me to speculate that maybe it was Defkalion that had been bending the truth, or at least bending it more than what Rossi has been alleged to have done. If so, knowing Rossi's propensity to be a little creative (or loose) with his own statements on occasion, it's hard to know who is revealing a more accurate picture of what's gong on. I'm reminded of something Mr. Blanton recently speculated on, that perhaps the secret sauce angle had been a ruse all along, that the secret has much more to do with overall geometry of the nickel particles as they interact with hydrogen. Such a premise does make me wonder. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Press release from Defkalion:
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:28:12 -0400: Hi, [snip] I'll render a guess that it's KaCO3. I suggested NaOH months ago (just before Dennis Cravens stopped contributing. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Press release from Defkalion:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 6:05 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:28:12 -0400: Hi, [snip] I'll render a guess that it's KaCO3. I suggested NaOH months ago (just before Dennis Cravens stopped contributing. ;) Yeah, I think that is what Jones was referring to. T
