Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: If you declare to run a 1MW reactor and if you declare that generate heat with gamma radiation, then it's nuclear. Is that what Rossi declared in his application for a permit? Did you read the application or the permit? If you did not, you do not know what he told the government, or what they told him. We have only his word for this. I have never caught him lying about technical engineering claims. I cannot evaluate his statements about gamma radiation and theory, but experts tell me they make no sense. His statements about his business are full of holes. So I am not confident that he really does have a permit. I doubt there is gamma radiation, but you never know. If he does have a permit, I suppose it would be the kind he described, for an experimental device. It sounds plausible. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.
I just provided you with examples which are not the case. For example, the isomer 180m1 Ta is very stable, but when it decays, it emits at an energy of 75KeV, which is within the range of x-rays, that is, below 120KeV. 2011/10/29 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such that it could almost fit in the range of visible light I think you need to read some physics books. Gamma rays have smaller wavelength then X-Rays and visible light. And a re more powerful and hazards. *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:00 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit. Gamma rays may have a subjective definition.You can say that Gamma Rays are photons emitted by state transitions of the nucleus and X-Rays are photons that comes from electrons. X-Ray machines emits what would be otherwise consider gamma rays, around 140KeV. For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technetium-99m The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such that it could almost fit in the range of visible light, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_thorium#Thorium-229m If you consider a gamma ray as photons originated by decays of excited decays of the nucleus, you can have wave lengths near the visible spectrum, 2011/10/29 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de Am 29.10.2011 16:32, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: How can rossi had a permit if inside the nuclear site there isn’t even a SINGLE “Nuclear Warning” panel? I don't know. I have not seen his application or permit. You have a good point. It might be prudent to set up some signs. I am not sure where you would put them, or how far away people should stay. Bianchini set up detectors and found nothing, so they did pay some attention to this issue. Still, as far as anyone knows, cold fusion never generates dangerous radiation. In contradiction to this, Rossi says the heat is made from soft gamma rays. Some 100 kW of gamma rays are dangerous. So it is a little silly to apply the safety standards of fission or plasma fusion to it. This is like saying that hydrogen airships can explode, so we should take extreme precautions when working with helium balloons. No it is like saying a helium Zeppelin is dangerous, because the inventor says, it is filled with hydrogen ;-) - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: That does seem likely. Perhaps that means he did not tell them there is potential gamma emissions. And what you think Rossi said? “Well, we want an authorization for running a 1MW electric heater?” I have no idea what he said. You are Italian. Why don't you try to find out? They have FOI laws in Italy, although the laws do not sound strong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_legislation#Italy - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.
You are picking up on small things. Just exchange wavelength to energy in the quoted part and all is right, I was only talking about photon energy, anyway. 2011/10/29 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com What are you talking about? You said that gamma rays had longest wavelength then visibile light (“The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such that it could almost fit in the range of visible light”, quoted). That’s absurd. Yeah, you can say that a 75keV is gamma as you can say that a 2Mhz Radiofrequncy is HIGH FREQUENCY, but truely it’s near the “medium-to-high” frequency limit (actually is medium frequency). If you say that a common visible light source it’s a gamma ray source, you are crazy. *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:17 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit. I just provided you with examples which are not the case. For example, the isomer 180m1 Ta is very stable, but when it decays, it emits at an energy of 75KeV, which is within the range of x-rays, that is, below 120KeV. 2011/10/29 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such that it could almost fit in the range of visible light I think you need to read some physics books. Gamma rays have smaller wavelength then X-Rays and visible light. And a re more powerful and hazards. *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:00 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit. Gamma rays may have a subjective definition.You can say that Gamma Rays are photons emitted by state transitions of the nucleus and X-Rays are photons that comes from electrons. X-Ray machines emits what would be otherwise consider gamma rays, around 140KeV. For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technetium-99m The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such that it could almost fit in the range of visible light, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_thorium#Thorium-229m If you consider a gamma ray as photons originated by decays of excited decays of the nucleus, you can have wave lengths near the visible spectrum, 2011/10/29 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de Am 29.10.2011 16:32, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: How can rossi had a permit if inside the nuclear site there isn’t even a SINGLE “Nuclear Warning” panel? I don't know. I have not seen his application or permit. You have a good point. It might be prudent to set up some signs. I am not sure where you would put them, or how far away people should stay. Bianchini set up detectors and found nothing, so they did pay some attention to this issue. Still, as far as anyone knows, cold fusion never generates dangerous radiation. In contradiction to this, Rossi says the heat is made from soft gamma rays. Some 100 kW of gamma rays are dangerous. So it is a little silly to apply the safety standards of fission or plasma fusion to it. This is like saying that hydrogen airships can explode, so we should take extreme precautions when working with helium balloons. No it is like saying a helium Zeppelin is dangerous, because the inventor says, it is filled with hydrogen ;-) - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.
Yes, a typo kind of error. 2011/10/29 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com Oh, only a small error you think? Energy =~ 1/wavelength You said Energy =~ wavelength *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:36 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit. You are picking up on small things. Just exchange wavelength to energy in the quoted part and all is right, I was only talking about photon energy, anyway. 2011/10/29 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com What are you talking about? You said that gamma rays had longest wavelength then visibile light (“The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such that it could almost fit in the range of visible light”, quoted). That’s absurd. Yeah, you can say that a 75keV is gamma as you can say that a 2Mhz Radiofrequncy is HIGH FREQUENCY, but truely it’s near the “medium-to-high” frequency limit (actually is medium frequency). If you say that a common visible light source it’s a gamma ray source, you are crazy. *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:17 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit. I just provided you with examples which are not the case. For example, the isomer 180m1 Ta is very stable, but when it decays, it emits at an energy of 75KeV, which is within the range of x-rays, that is, below 120KeV. 2011/10/29 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such that it could almost fit in the range of visible light I think you need to read some physics books. Gamma rays have smaller wavelength then X-Rays and visible light. And a re more powerful and hazards. *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:00 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit. Gamma rays may have a subjective definition.You can say that Gamma Rays are photons emitted by state transitions of the nucleus and X-Rays are photons that comes from electrons. X-Ray machines emits what would be otherwise consider gamma rays, around 140KeV. For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technetium-99m The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such that it could almost fit in the range of visible light, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_thorium#Thorium-229m If you consider a gamma ray as photons originated by decays of excited decays of the nucleus, you can have wave lengths near the visible spectrum, 2011/10/29 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de Am 29.10.2011 16:32, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: How can rossi had a permit if inside the nuclear site there isn’t even a SINGLE “Nuclear Warning” panel? I don't know. I have not seen his application or permit. You have a good point. It might be prudent to set up some signs. I am not sure where you would put them, or how far away people should stay. Bianchini set up detectors and found nothing, so they did pay some attention to this issue. Still, as far as anyone knows, cold fusion never generates dangerous radiation. In contradiction to this, Rossi says the heat is made from soft gamma rays. Some 100 kW of gamma rays are dangerous. So it is a little silly to apply the safety standards of fission or plasma fusion to it. This is like saying that hydrogen airships can explode, so we should take extreme precautions when working with helium balloons. No it is like saying a helium Zeppelin is dangerous, because the inventor says, it is filled with hydrogen ;-) - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: You need to get a lawsuit against Rossi before asking it. That's a shame. Okay, maybe you can find out if the people who signed the report are registered as licensed engineers. See the thread I just posted about Domenico Fioravanti. The U.S. now has on-line registries of licensed engineers. Maybe Italy also has them? If these people are licensed it is unlikely they would take part in a fraud. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.
In the Piantelli-Focardi experiments they had either gamma radiation or thermal energy. They did never observe both together. This is what I have read in a paper, written by Focardi himself. They can however not have had some ten watts of gamma radiation, because they are still alive. ;-) Also Rossi said, the lead shield was calculated by Focardi. Also he said, they have a thicker shield in the fat cat and he explained the weight increase by this. The truth behind might be this: Focardi /thinks/ there could be dangerous gamma radiation under circumstances, but they never measured this and dont know. If so, then he has lied all time to us. If not so, then he has lied to the authorities to get the permissions. Peter Am 29.10.2011 17:08, schrieb Mattia Rizzi: The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such that it could almost fit in the range of visible light I think you need to read some physics books. Gamma rays have smaller wavelength then X-Rays and visible light. And a re more powerful and hazards. *From:* Daniel Rocha mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:00 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit. Gamma rays may have a subjective definition.You can say that Gamma Rays are photons emitted by state transitions of the nucleus and X-Rays are photons that comes from electrons. X-Ray machines emits what would be otherwise consider gamma rays, around 140KeV. For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technetium-99m The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such that it could almost fit in the range of visible light, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_thorium#Thorium-229m If you consider a gamma ray as photons originated by decays of excited decays of the nucleus, you can have wave lengths near the visible spectrum, 2011/10/29 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de Am 29.10.2011 16:32, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com mailto:mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: How can rossi had a permit if inside the nuclear site there isn’t even a SINGLE “Nuclear Warning” panel? I don't know. I have not seen his application or permit. You have a good point. It might be prudent to set up some signs. I am not sure where you would put them, or how far away people should stay. Bianchiniset up detectors and found nothing, so they did pay some attention to this issue. Still, as far as anyone knows, cold fusion never generates dangerous radiation. In contradiction to this, Rossi says the heat is made from soft gamma rays. Some 100 kW of gamma rays are dangerous. So it is a little silly to apply the safety standards of fission or plasma fusion to it. This is like saying that hydrogen airships can explode, so we should take extreme precautions when working with helium balloons. No it is like saying a helium Zeppelin is dangerous, because the inventor says, it is filled with hydrogen ;-) - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: The truth behind might be this: Focardi /thinks/ there could be dangerous gamma radiation under circumstances, but they never measured this and dont know. If so, then he has lied all time to us. If not so, then he has lied to the authorities to get the permissions. Or they changed their minds and no longer believe there is gamma radiation. Or they have confirmed (somehow) that the gamma radiation is never dangerous. Or the Italian authorities decided for some reason not to worry about gamma rays, and did not order them to put up signs. Or there might be some other explanation that has not occurred to me. There are many possibilities here. Unless you have some inside information from Rossi and the Italian government, you have no reason to think anyone lied about anything. The truth might be this, or that, or an onion. Unless you have hard information I think you should not accuse people of lying. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.
Am 29.10.2011 18:25, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Or the Italian authorities decided for some reason not to worry about gamma rays, and did not order them to put up signs. This some reason could be some Euros or something like that. Mafia is everywhere ;-)
Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.
Am 29.10.2011 18:25, schrieb Jed Rothwell: I think you should not accuse people of lying. So dont do this too. And dont say it is ridiculous to think about radiation.
