Re: [Vo]:Re: Polished: Re: Special Relativity (SR) .vs Aether

2023-11-10 Thread ROGER ANDERTON


Jonathan


You say: "So it really is amazing how big of a shambles it all is!"

Yes, its a shambles.

Part of the problem was pointed out by an early critic of relativity ->

G. BURNISTON BROWN Bulletin of the Institute of Physics and Physical 
Society, Vol. 18 (March, 1967) pp.71—77

https://www.naturalphilosophy.org/pdf/abstracts/abstracts_279.pdf

who says - quote - > "Einstein never wrote a definitive account of his 
theory"


which means --> what Einstein did - was present a series of papers where 
he kept changing his mind.






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Subject: [Vo]:Re: Polished: Re: Special Relativity (SR) .vs Aether

A few updates...


First because the Michelson Morley claim seemed plausible but not 
totally conclusive, I wasn't doing the math myself and math isn't my 
thing so I farmed that out to AI's that kept on having different ideas 
so to be sure I had to really drill down and figure out the best most 
pure way to do so.



I realized the easiest way was not to deal with a moving medium at all! 
But instead to change the velocity of the wave in the medium and 
recalculate!
See, if a medium is in motion relative to us, then the motion of the 
wave is either increased or decreased relative to our frame, so there is 
no need to deal with the complicating effect of moving mediums as we get 
the same number of waves in a given space is the waves have the same 
speed regardless of how that is achieved.



So say you have a wave that moves at 1000 meters a second and you have a 
10khz signal, in 10 meters distance you have 100 waves (it takes 0.01 
second for a wave to traverse the distance and in that time there are 99 
buddies behind him),
So what happens if we increase the wave velocity to 1.5 times?  Well 
then it would take 15 meters to fit 100 waves and as such we have in 
just 10 meters 2/3rds of those 100 waves, or 66.666 waves.



And if the waves moved at half the speed, how many waves would fit in 
the 10 meter space?  Well, double!



So if we had the medium being stationary and in a 10 meter space we 
would have 200 waves, consisting of 100 waves in each direction, yes 
superimposed.



But by having waves go 1.5 times faster in one direction but only half 
as far in the other direction, this is meant to simulate the medium 
moving at half the speed of the waves we get 66.66 + 200 = 266.66 waves.



So it turns out the Michelson Moley experiment DOES potentially tell us 
something about Ether drift.



It doesn't tell us there isn't an Ether, and it doesn't confirm Lorentz 
transformations though Lorentz transformation might explain why we might 
be moving through and Ether and not detect it.



But another possibility is that there is an Ether and we aren't moving 
through it but entraining it.



On the whole I am happy to accept that Lorentz transformations might, as 
an absolute thing in line with Lorentz Ether Theory, exist.



And I have now heard LET be termed Lorentzian Relativity, and it is 
that, but it is a form of Relativity with an Ether, with a prefered 
frame.  Of course Einstein believed in an Ether in 1920 and compared it 
to matter.



What is most interesting however, that based on a reply from Roger 
Anderson who saw my post, I ended up finding a few interesting notes and 
here they are...



According to Sabine Hossenfelder  YouTube Physicist and fellow INTJ, 
Time dilation DOESN'T OCCUR from steady state motion!  That is another 
change to Special relativity   -  muons shouldn't survive longer either 
at speed if she were correct.



This is interesting as relativistic time dilation seems to have been the 
core component of SR in the 1905 paper, and AFAIK it was in the even 
earlier Lorentz formulations even though time dilation isn't used to 
explain null interferometer results.



Also if there is no time dilation, well sure you don't get twin Paradox 
issues which is good, but there become some other serious issues, think 
of a photon of light bouncing between parallel plates being used as a 
clock:

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   o
__


If you move at a significant velocity (what this means in terms of SR is 
debatable) to the right then the light is taking a zigzag course, and as 
such if it isn't to be superluminal it must be ticking slower though not 
to our perception moving with the light clock but to the fame that sees 
it as a zig-zag. If all frames are to seem equal. So time dilation can't 
be thrown out as Sabine tries.  With an Ether frame this light clock 
makes perfect sense with SR you have time dilation that being relative 
to nothing becomes paradoxical in ways described, and the rest frame can 
be learnt be removed of temporal Doppler effects.



I guess what this means is that there are different types of time 
dilation we need to distinguish.  There is gravitational time dilation, 
and equivalent acceleration time 

Re: [Vo]:Re: Polished: Re: Special Relativity (SR) .vs Aether

2023-11-09 Thread CB Sites
It's always interesting to question what is considered our standard point
of view even when it works so well.  Special Relativity is common sense in
my opinion and is why I would never give it up.   However, what always
bugged me was time and using it as a 4th dimension.  One of the concepts of
space-time that is the stuff of SCI-FI, is you could warp space-time in
such a way that the fabric of Space-Time could fold allowing for
fast-than-light travel (FLT).  The warping of space-time does require
extreme bending but in places like black holes, the event horizon provides
a great conceptual model of zero time.  It's what gives rise to concepts
like the Holographic Universe.

I recall on a thought experiment (exploring common sense) I was looking at
the concept of fractional dimensions. Like the Mandlebrot, but the question
I asked myself was, what would a fractional dimension look like if we
experienced one?   There has been a movie of the flat world (a 2D universe)
experiencing its interaction with a 3D world.  You know the circle forming
when viewing a 3d sphere interesting a plane.   So my thought experiment
was what if one and only one of the dimensions was fractional?   Normally
we think of dimensions as X,Y,Z and t, which act like a 4D index into space
(X,Y,Z) and time (t).  If you pick a space dimension like X, we can
envision it as a horizontal position in space.  What would it look like if
X was fractional?   Common sense would say that it would have a
boundary that is no longer an integer but could be limited to only a
direction forward (note forward is a reference to time).  However, from the
Flatworld POV, such a clipping of a dimension would be a dimension that can
only progress forward.

What if time was in reality a fraction dimension incapable of time
reversal?  Time as a fraction dimension could not move backward.  From our
perspective, time is an arrow, a ray, but what if that is what the 4th
dimension is?  A fractional dimension.   When you look at special
relativity from that perspective, things make a little more sense
conceptually.  It really makes the Holographic Universe concept seem even
more profound.