Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?
An example? http://current.com/items/87014271_elemental_the_generator_that_runs_on_background_radiation Frederick Sparber wrote: Jones. A bound state of e- e+ e- (about 10^12 % according to CRC tables) is known. With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5 MeV they could make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came up with the bent gun. OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty energy release if they are in potassium or argon. No? Fred
Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?
Instead of laboring over cathode treatment in random replication results for gas discharge or electrolysis CF reactions, why not use Muonic Altered Water: MAW, that can be obtained by bombarding an electrical discharge in Steam in front of a Muon Source, like the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility (LAMPF) that used 800 MeV protons (less than the 936 MeV rest energy of the proton) hitting a copper target? Extinct? Potassium compounds or Argon gas Etc., also? The secret ingredient in the Yusmar water that Scott Little at Earthtech wondered about in the early days? On Dec 3, 2007 11:38 PM, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An extensive treatment of the interaction of water on solid surfaces (about 10 megabytes) gives insight on how a Muonic Entity could catalyze CF reactions on the cathode of an electrolysis cell. It also touches on the effect of oxygen wrt the water interaction with the surfaces. http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/~wchen/Madey_page/Full_Publications/PDF/madey_SSR_1987_T.pdf On Dec 3, 2007 10:38 PM, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range? Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment where one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in the O2 ?) A deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom electron cloud containing the entity would capture the entity and effect CF, allowing the entity to be released to continue working as a catalyst. On Dec 3, 2007 7:31 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well - there should lots of strong gammas then, for Correa to confirm his specualtion, no? Not to mention, it would be nice if Correa had had a single independent replication in all these years, and/or could quote from another source than his own work or Aspden ;-) Nevertheless - he has probably seen something of an anomaly but will we ever know for sure? J. Frederick Sparber wrote: P.N. Correa speaks on an anomaly. *http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/PwrfromAEemissions.html* * In a speculative fashion, it is indeed interesting to remark that the PAGD energies associated with emitted cathode ions are in the range needed for electron-positron pair creation. Significantly, the study of narrow, nonrelativistic positron peaks and of electron-positron coincidences in heavy ion collisions has led to the identification of low-mass photonium resonances in the 1 to 2 MeV range (lowest prediction at ~1.2 MeV (99)), which have been theorized as possible e-e+ quasi-bound continuum states of a pure electromagnetic nature (98-99), suggesting the existence of a new (ultra-nuclear and infra-atomic) scale for QED interactions (99). Lastly, it has been formally shown that pair production can be supported by a photon field in a nonstationary medium and in a threshold-free manner (ie for any electromagnetic wave frequency) (100). * On Dec 3, 2007 7:48 AM, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jones. A bound state of e- e+ e- (about 10^ -12 % according to CRC tables) is known. With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5MeV they could make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came up with the bent gun. OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty energy release if they are in potassium or argon. No? Fred
Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?
Frederick Sparber wrote: Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range? Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment where one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in the O2 ?) A deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom Strange indeed, I've always speculated that the energy, which is normally expressed as a gamma, goes else where. Perhaps the good doctor will talk to us about this. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?
The cold fusion process does not produce gamma for several reasons. Immediate release of gamma does not occur because such a reaction is not effective in conserving the momentum of the reaction. Instead, if a reaction is to occur at all, two charged particle must be emitted. Of course, some of the energy and momentum can go directly into the lattice, but the amount can not be very large as shown by studies of this process independent of CF. Gamma radiation is not emitted as a delayed release of energy because none is stored in the products. The reaction at low energy apparently goes to the lowest energy state immediately. In other words, the conditions in which such reactions occur make a big difference to how energy is released. Anyway this is my humble explanation. Ed thomas malloy wrote: Frederick Sparber wrote: Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range? Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment where one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in the O2 ?) A deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom Strange indeed, I've always speculated that the energy, which is normally expressed as a gamma, goes else where. Perhaps the good doctor will talk to us about this. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?
P.N. Correa speaks on an anomaly. *http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/PwrfromAEemissions.html*http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/PwrfromAEemissions.html * In a speculative fashion, it is indeed interesting to remark that the PAGD energies associated with emitted cathode ions are in the range needed for electron-positron pair creation. Significantly, the study of narrow, nonrelativistic positron peaks and of electron-positron coincidences in heavy ion collisions has led to the identification of low-mass photonium resonances in the 1 to 2 MeV range (lowest prediction at ~1.2 MeV (99)), which have been theorized as possible e-e+ quasi-bound continuum states of a pure electromagnetic nature (98-99), suggesting the existence of a new (ultra-nuclear and infra-atomic) scale for QED interactions (99). Lastly, it has been formally shown that pair production can be supported by a photon field in a nonstationary medium and in a threshold-free manner (ie for any electromagnetic wave frequency) (100). * On Dec 3, 2007 7:48 AM, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jones. A bound state of e- e+ e- (about 10^ -12 % according to CRC tables) is known. With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5 MeV they could make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came up with the bent gun. OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty energy release if they are in potassium or argon. No? Fred
Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?
Well - there should lots of strong gammas then, for Correa to confirm his specualtion, no? Not to mention, it would be nice if Correa had had a single independent replication in all these years, and/or could quote from another source than his own work or Aspden ;-) Nevertheless - he has probably seen something of an anomaly but will we ever know for sure? J. Frederick Sparber wrote: P.N. Correa speaks on an anomaly. *http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/PwrfromAEemissions.html* * In a speculative fashion, it is indeed interesting to remark that the PAGD energies associated with emitted cathode ions are in the range needed for electron-positron pair creation. Significantly, the study of narrow, nonrelativistic positron peaks and of electron-positron coincidences in heavy ion collisions has led to the identification of low-mass photonium resonances in the 1 to 2 MeV range (lowest prediction at ~1.2 MeV (99)), which have been theorized as possible e-e+ quasi-bound continuum states of a pure electromagnetic nature (98-99), suggesting the existence of a new (ultra-nuclear and infra-atomic) scale for QED interactions (99). Lastly, it has been formally shown that pair production can be supported by a photon field in a nonstationary medium and in a threshold-free manner (ie for any electromagnetic wave frequency) (100). * On Dec 3, 2007 7:48 AM, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jones. A bound state of e- e+ e- (about 10^ -12 % according to CRC tables) is known. With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5 MeV they could make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came up with the bent gun. OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty energy release if they are in potassium or argon. No? Fred
Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?
On Monday 03 December 2007 09:48, Frederick Sparber wrote: Jones. A bound state of e- e+ e- (about 10^12 % according to CRC tables) is known. With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5 MeV they could make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came up with the bent gun. OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty energy release if they are in potassium or argon. No? Fred test
Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?
Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range? Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment where one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in the O2 ?) A deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom electron cloud containing the entity would capture the entity and effect CF, allowing the entity to be released to continue working as a catalyst. On Dec 3, 2007 7:31 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well - there should lots of strong gammas then, for Correa to confirm his specualtion, no? Not to mention, it would be nice if Correa had had a single independent replication in all these years, and/or could quote from another source than his own work or Aspden ;-) Nevertheless - he has probably seen something of an anomaly but will we ever know for sure? J. Frederick Sparber wrote: P.N. Correa speaks on an anomaly. *http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/PwrfromAEemissions.html* * In a speculative fashion, it is indeed interesting to remark that the PAGD energies associated with emitted cathode ions are in the range needed for electron-positron pair creation. Significantly, the study of narrow, nonrelativistic positron peaks and of electron-positron coincidences in heavy ion collisions has led to the identification of low-mass photonium resonances in the 1 to 2 MeV range (lowest prediction at ~1.2 MeV (99)), which have been theorized as possible e-e+ quasi-bound continuum states of a pure electromagnetic nature (98-99), suggesting the existence of a new (ultra-nuclear and infra-atomic) scale for QED interactions (99). Lastly, it has been formally shown that pair production can be supported by a photon field in a nonstationary medium and in a threshold-free manner (ie for any electromagnetic wave frequency) (100). * On Dec 3, 2007 7:48 AM, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jones. A bound state of e- e+ e- (about 10^ -12 % according to CRC tables) is known. With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5 MeV they could make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came up with the bent gun. OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty energy release if they are in potassium or argon. No? Fred
Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?
An extensive treatment of the interaction of water on solid surfaces (about 10 megabytes) gives insight on how a Muonic Entity could catalyze CF reactions on the cathode of an electrolysis cell. It also touches on the effect of oxygen wrt the water interaction with the surfaces. http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/~wchen/Madey_page/Full_Publications/PDF/madey_SSR_1987_T.pdf On Dec 3, 2007 10:38 PM, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range? Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment where one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in the O2 ?) A deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom electron cloud containing the entity would capture the entity and effect CF, allowing the entity to be released to continue working as a catalyst. On Dec 3, 2007 7:31 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well - there should lots of strong gammas then, for Correa to confirm his specualtion, no? Not to mention, it would be nice if Correa had had a single independent replication in all these years, and/or could quote from another source than his own work or Aspden ;-) Nevertheless - he has probably seen something of an anomaly but will we ever know for sure? J. Frederick Sparber wrote: P.N. Correa speaks on an anomaly. *http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/PwrfromAEemissions.html* * In a speculative fashion, it is indeed interesting to remark that the PAGD energies associated with emitted cathode ions are in the range needed for electron-positron pair creation. Significantly, the study of narrow, nonrelativistic positron peaks and of electron-positron coincidences in heavy ion collisions has led to the identification of low-mass photonium resonances in the 1 to 2 MeV range (lowest prediction at ~1.2 MeV (99)), which have been theorized as possible e-e+ quasi-bound continuum states of a pure electromagnetic nature (98-99), suggesting the existence of a new (ultra-nuclear and infra-atomic) scale for QED interactions (99). Lastly, it has been formally shown that pair production can be supported by a photon field in a nonstationary medium and in a threshold-free manner (ie for any electromagnetic wave frequency) (100). * On Dec 3, 2007 7:48 AM, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jones. A bound state of e- e+ e- (about 10^ -12 % according to CRC tables) is known. With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5 MeV they could make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came up with the bent gun. OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty energy release if they are in potassium or argon. No? Fred
