Re: [Vo]:Report on Cold Fusion at WSEC2012

2012-01-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Haiko Lietz h...@haikolietz.de wrote:
 Report from the World Sustainable Energy Conference 2012 in Geneva, 10-12
 Jan 2012

Thank you for your report, Haiko.  I find it quite amusing that Celani
began his career in CF intending to disprove the findings.  I was
unaware of this.

T



Re: [Vo]:Report on Cold Fusion at WSEC2012

2012-01-15 Thread Rich Murray
This is counting the grandchildren before any grandparents were born
-- lofty cloudbanks of vaporware...

within mutual service,  Rich Murray, the pragmatic skeptic

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Haiko Lietz h...@haikolietz.de wrote:

 Report from the World Sustainable Energy Conference 2012 in Geneva, 10-12
 Jan 2012



Re: [Vo]:Report on Cold Fusion at WSEC2012

2012-01-15 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Haiko Lietz h...@haikolietz.de wrote:

 Recent important results include the finding by NASA that heat was produced
 not just when Deuterium was loaded into Palladium, which is expected, but
 also when it was unloaded.


A kind of homeopathy?

harry



Re: [Vo]:Report on Cold Fusion at WSEC2012

2012-01-15 Thread Haiko Lietz

Recent important results include the finding by NASA that heat was produced
not just when Deuterium was loaded into Palladium, which is expected, but
also when it was unloaded.



A kind of homeopathy?


I guess it shows that flux is important. See the curves here:

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20111209NASA-Fralick-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf 
(#12)


Haiko



Re: [Vo]:Report on Cold Fusion at WSEC2012

2012-01-15 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Haiko Lietz h...@haikolietz.de wrote:
 Recent important results include the finding by NASA that heat was
 produced
 not just when Deuterium was loaded into Palladium, which is expected, but
 also when it was unloaded.


 A kind of homeopathy?


 I guess it shows that flux is important. See the curves here:

 http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20111209NASA-Fralick-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf
 (#12)


sort of like tidal power where you can generate electricity during the
incoming and outgoing tide?
Harry



Re: [Vo]:Report on Cold Fusion at WSEC2012

2012-01-15 Thread Haiko Lietz

A kind of homeopathy?



I guess it shows that flux is important. See the curves here:

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20111209NASA-Fralick-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf
(#12)



sort of like tidal power where you can generate electricity during the
incoming and outgoing tide?


I think so. You can see in the NASA slides that the heat production 
decreases with time. In the beginning flux creates more fusion events. 
But as more and more deuterium is out of the bulk no more heat is produced.


Haiko



Re: [Vo]:Report on Cold Fusion at WSEC2012

2012-01-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Haiko Lietz h...@haikolietz.de wrote:
 A kind of homeopathy?


 I guess it shows that flux is important. See the curves here:


 http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20111209NASA-Fralick-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf
 (#12)


 sort of like tidal power where you can generate electricity during the
 incoming and outgoing tide?


 I think so. You can see in the NASA slides that the heat production
 decreases with time. In the beginning flux creates more fusion events. But
 as more and more deuterium is out of the bulk no more heat is produced.

Michael McKubre calls it breathing in the Pd cathode.  The greatest
excess heat is produced while the concentration changes in the loaded
cell between 80 and 90 percent up or down.  At some point the cathode
stops breathing and cannot be revived without treatment of the
cathode.

T



Re: [Vo]:Report on Cold Fusion at WSEC2012

2012-01-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:


 sort of like tidal power where you can generate electricity during the
 incoming and outgoing tide?


Right! And that is an interesting analogy. As noted McKubre described this.

- Jed