RE: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney , Etc.
I've never liked Obama but I did have to give him credit for telling the Israeli government No to starting WW3 over Iran. His re-election is a big step for peace in that respect and I hope for more world progress if free energy emerges.
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney , Etc.
I don't think it is a big deal. It just means he is not insane. 2012/11/7 Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com ** I've never liked Obama but I did have to give him credit for telling the Israeli government No to starting WW3 over Iran. His re-election is a big step for peace in that respect and I hope for more world progress if free energy emerges. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney , Etc.
At least he can't blame anyone else this time for the mess he is
inheriting...
On Wednesday, November 7, 2012, Daniel Rocha wrote:
I don't think it is a big deal. It just means he is not insane.
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I've never liked Obama but I did have to give him credit for telling the
Israeli government No to starting WW3 over Iran. His re-election is a big
step for peace in that respect and I hope for more world progress if free
energy emerges.
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Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney , Etc.
Obama won. I was afraid of the more extreme elements of the republican party. I don't want a theocracy. On that basis, I voted for Obama. I am afraid of the extreme democrats also. They want to take us towards socialism.That was my choice more theocracy or more socialism. I could not go with creationism and the text book rewrites that go with the extreme elements Republican platform. I stand by science. I hope new cold fusion technology keeps our country from failing. If that is case, like in the book Lights in a Tunnel, we will need more socialism. We also need to get people back to work. What about foreign wars, we must fight theocracy in other lands? What if our military is too weak? I hope that nation does not go broke. I hope Obama knows what to do, I don't. Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney , Etc.
As far as I know, real socialists that I know, despise any association with the democratic party since it's the only difference from the republican is a slight matter of discourse. Both of them are just facades of the same bourgeoisie. But I think this conclusion is not just restricted to radicals, heh. 2012/11/7 fznidar...@aol.com I am afraid of the extreme democrats also. They want to take us towards socialism. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney , Etc.
Point well made ChemE. This election reminded me of the Indiana Jones movie where we chose unwisely. -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:02 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney , Etc. At least he can't blame anyone else this time for the mess he is inheriting... On Wednesday, November 7, 2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: I don't think it is a big deal. It just means he is not insane. 2012/11/7 Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com I've never liked Obama but I did have to give him credit for telling the Israeli government No to starting WW3 over Iran. His re-election is a big step for peace in that respect and I hope for more world progress if free energy emerges. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney , Etc.
Frank, I share a lot of your concerns. I considered what I would do if I had to fill a job running a failing company. Had Obama and Romney been the two main applicants there would be little doubt as to which would get the job. One has a super track record, seems to be a great humanitarian, and obviously intelligent. The other is intelligent, but has failed in his only real job and blames others for his failures. A good leader demonstrates positive progress in his tasks and accepts responsibility for his difficulties. I pray that this wonderful country thrives during the next 4 years, but would not be surprised to see things get worse than they are currently due to lack of honest leadership. This will constitute my last political statement as I consider politics to be out of bounds. -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:45 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney , Etc. Obama won. I was afraid of the more extreme elements of the republican party. I don't want a theocracy. On that basis, I voted for Obama. I am afraid of the extreme democrats also. They want to take us towards socialism.That was my choice more theocracy or more socialism. I could not go with creationism and the text book rewrites that go with the extreme elements Republican platform. I stand by science. I hope new cold fusion technology keeps our country from failing. If that is case, like in the book Lights in a Tunnel, we will need more socialism. We also need to get people back to work. What about foreign wars, we must fight theocracy in other lands? What if our military is too weak? I hope that nation does not go broke. I hope Obama knows what to do, I don't. Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney , Etc.
On Nov 7, 2012, at 5:45 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: I am afraid of the extreme democrats also. They want to take us towards socialism. I think that this is untrue. Most of the leading Democratic thinkers, such as Joseph Stiglitz, wants more Keynesian economy and Keynesian economic policy is mostly polar opposite to that of Socialism, i.e. planned economy. I would guess that the US economic policy from 1980's onwards has mostly increased the influence of Goldman Sachs and other big players over the people and economy. Therefore it is quite justified to say there has been a shift towards privately controlled planned economy. E.g. oil price has fluctuated chaotically during the last decade, because it is not controlled by the law of supply and demand, but mostly speculative and algorithmic high frequency trading. This kind of HF-trading is destructive to the economy, because it does allow value extraction from the economy. And usually the more unbalance there is in the economy, the more there are opportunities for value extraction ― and the middle class is always the one who is paying the bill! However the idea of Keynesian economy is to increase relative purchasing power of the people. This way there is created more demand to the economy that will guide economy towards more productivity, more jobs and higher wages. If common people has more wealth than he needs for basic needs, there will be immense potential e.g. for crowdfunding. Crowdfunding is more effective in weeding out the most successful start-up companies. Traditional venture capitalistic approach is immensely inefficient and there are huge amounts of resources wasted for unfruitful start-up companies. There is far more wisdom in the crowd, especially in the era of social media, than what venture capitalists has to offer, therefore the mis-investment rate is inherently lower in crowdfunding than with venture capitalistic approach. This crowdfunding is just one example why it is good for the economy that most of the wealth is in hands of the Keynesian middle class rather than in the hands of Goldman Sachs and mittromnies. As Mitt Romney created his wealth by extracting value from the middle class misery, and he sees nothing wrong in that, I would say that this is the most powerful and fact based argument to support Obama over Romney. ―Jouni
