Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Here's what I've been able to glean from their site. It is self-powered. There is no input. No it's not. Right. The ceo has said he does not know the source of the energy. It isn't anything obvious, so maybe it is something like Frank Grimer's gamma atmosphere. Whatever it is, it just goes on and on and on, even to powering a 550bhp motor. This makes no sense, really. If they had something that really poured out far more power than it consumed, how much testing would they need to do to verify that it worked? The testing was done early on to eliminate the possibility of a measurement error. As I understand it, the testing since then has been to make it more efficient. Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com
[Vo]: Hidden Wealth
One of the more fascinating themes of fiction involves hidden wealth and the duplicity which is involved in controlling it. Of course, buried treasure and pirated booty is the prototype for this alluring theme - but even several of Blackbeard's chests of Spanish doubloons is little more than 'chump change' these days, compared to the immense value of the new wealth - an oil field, for instance. Today, regarding: the hidden part, now everybody knows about oil - but the future will hold the same surprises for the perceptive vision-quester (or greedy bastard). Black gold - oil - will be supplanted by new forms of wealth in the one thing which humans will always treasure above all else - energy. A fine novel that explores this transition [from oil to new energy] theme is Tony Hillerman's novel [back in the old days when he could still write well] called: People of Darkness. As for the coming decade [and stranger than fiction forms of wealth], take the national helium repository for instance - close by a certain ranch in Crawford TX. This one is not yet fictionalized. It was recently, very quietly, shuttled into private hands from DoE, in what is clearly political manipulation. There could be a trillion dollars worth of 3He hidden in there - but no one is talking. And few except at the highest levels would know for sure if a breakthrough in 3He fusion has taken place in a so-called black project. Still black-gold, eh? And then there is the Great Salt Lake, in Utah. This area in recent US history was formerly set amidst land so worthless that even when it was given free to any taker -only a shunned religious cult, top-heavy with more wives than husbands, would settle there. Nowadays, it is just possible that the salty water of this particular lake could be extremely valuable - in the trillion dollar range. If so, it will no doubt be labeled as a divine blessing to the later-day descendants, like when the gulls came. Hey they had to have some pay-back for giving up all those wives ;-) Why so potentially valuable? In short... well, the answer is indeed short: 18O. It is that strange isotope of hydrogen - 18O. Almost one percent of the unpalatable water in the Great Salt Lake water consists of this heavy so-called isotope 18O. The fact that there is such an abundance seems impossible, since 16O is one of the most stable of all nuclei. It has been speculated, on this forum before, that some of what is responsible for this seeming anomaly in abundance is not due to a primordial isotopic branching - but instead derives continuously from the stable 16O in nature, which migrates in vapor and then in the ionosphere becomes ozone, and then may capture and serve as a host for the ubiquitous solar hydrino-hydride. If there is any of it on earth, this is one of the few possible mechanisms which can bring it down [if that is, the bulk of it arrives charged, in the Hy- form instead of Hy or Hy2]. This process would be predicated on a continuous flux of Hy- intercepting earth, being shed from the solar corona, and then on contact with ozone - displacing the k-shell electrons of high altitude ozone, but only in a balanced pairing, which neutralizes the charge, and giving the appearance of 18O - when in fact the species is 16O with two captured hydrino-hydrides in what was [formerly] the k-shell, and is now a much different beast. Why is this particular species potentially important for new energy? Well ... here is a hint for those with an electrolytic cell: run a LENR experiment using light water and nickel electrode BUT use water enriched in 18O ;-) That is the teaser. Perhaps the full answer will appear in a future installment of this hidden wealth mystery. Perhaps it is more later-day gulling. And in the mean time, in homage to the well-crafted mystery, consider the John Grisham thriller [back in the old days when he could still write well] called: The Gingerbread Man. Good film version too. A poor and unstable hobo father, Robert Duvall, soon to be deceased, owns a few acres of salt-marsh worth practically nothing. The trampy daughter is a little whacked herself and starts sleeping with a slick Savannah defense lawyer (Kenneth Branagh). Can you spell fame-up? Then there is the subject of the worthless inheritance ... which ostensibly would not have inspired murder, would it? Hmm, it seems that daddy's marsh happens to contain an old walnut grove, which was planted by former slaves for sustenance during the years of king cotton - later abandoned. Modern consumers are too lazy to crack walnuts, and it takes slave labor to pick them. For those who do not yet realize yet the identity of the wealth - black walnut is now an especially valuable hardwood - even if nobody eats the nuts any more - and sold by the pound for high price furniture. Every large tree is said worth $10,000 and an acre is worth about $20 million - but it takes
Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn
On Sunday 26 November 2006 23:13, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Here's what I've been able to glean from their site. It is self-powered. There is no input. No it's not. It has a COP100% which means it produces more power than it consumes, but to have a meaningful COP it _MUST_ consume power! Without input COP=infinity. Second, they have some obscure comments to the effect that the devices can't be cascaded. That also suggests very strongly that there's power going in, and power going out (and sounds very fishy IMHO). Finally, the description makes it reasonably clear that it's a magnet-based torque amplifier of some sort. (Can't cite a page on that; sorry, I don't recall where I saw the actual description.) They won't do demos because, they say, they'll be put down as conmen unless a jury of reputable scientists confirms the OU. OU is _NOT_ an issue IF the machine is self-powered!! If you've got output and _no_ input, then it's OU by construction. But again, their machine is not self-powered. They'll announce their first products the day the jury announces its verdict. They have said they continue to file applications for patents on different implementations of the basic configuration. If they had a working model which had no input power, they could patent the whole thing. Perpetual motion machines are patentable in the United States if you have a working model, but not otherwise. But, they don't have a working model (in that sense) -- it requires external power to operate. So, they can't patent the closed-loop version. Some would be willing to bet that the country that had the excellent judgement to grant Wal-Mart a patent on a lazy susan in the face of probable testimony from MBA types that had to have soaked their faces in wet cement and allowed setting to take place in order to keep straight faces before testifying that there was 'only anecdotal evidence of possible prior art', would be capable of granting any IP creation request to anyone with a sufficient amount of money and a 'friendly' examiner. Yet serious scientists going forward with: cold fusion devices; black light rockets; or photonic thrusters that actually have a chance of lifting themselves and their power units.will get a cold shoulder. If we as a nation succeed in stopping progress here, that does not mean that the whole world will go along. There is a focus fusion device out there that is going to see a test in South America soon. See it at: http://www.focusfusion.org They recently succeeded in raising the temperature of their electrostatic confinement D-Bo fusion device to nearly 3 billion degrees K. They are now building a larger proof of concept reactor. This, if successful would be a nuclear fusion generator most everybody would love except: a terrorist (no radioactive substances to steal or use); an oil company (oil now only useful as lubricants or in plastics in near future...no more gravytrain); a middle eastern country (no more money from an accident of geography to finance destructive wars and ostentatious lifestyles). Deuterium-Boron fusion requires a very high temperature, but there are no reaction products that can be used to hurt anybody in any significant way. The difficulty is attaining the reaction temperature and feeding the reaction, and this appears to possibly be reachable. These folks envision a reactor the size of a two car garage being able to produce many megawatts of power. If true, we could go back to what we were in the late 1800's when very many small towns had their own power plants and gas generators. Standing Bear The world needs and feeds on hope, not fear!
[Vo]: 2nd law of thermodynamics is incorrect
Here's another experiment that is extremely straightforward and simple. We know that thermo noise has no theoretical upper crest limit. Normally we refer to noise in terms of root mean square. When studying real thermo noise we see that given enough time the noise will eventually drift to a higher crest. The experiment is simple. Connect one resistor in series with an LED. That is it. To save yourself a lot of time you should pick a high frequency LED as used in GHz optics. This will provide a lot of bandwidth, which is what you want given voltage thermo noise is (4 K T R B)^0.5, where B = Bandwidth. Also you want to pick a resistor that matches the LED for an optimum effect. Also it doesn't hurt if the resistor is a noisy one such as carbon composite and as small as possible. Smaller carbon composite resistors generate more noise. Of course the *extra* noise is 1/f. This results in a resistor with real noise. When then voltage noise crest overcomes the LED's forward voltage then the LED will emit photon(s). Also note the LED emits photons far below the forward voltage. So in that sense, it is possible the LED will emit an occasional photon even when the noise voltage is far below the LED's forward voltage. Now the question is, Where do we aim the photons? Note the above experiment is in an isolated system. We have two experiments. Experiment #1, the resistor absorbs the photons. Experiment #2, the LED absorbs its own photons (we coat the LED with opaque material). The main difference between the two experiments is the resistor in experiment #2 is colder than the resistor in experiment #1. Note, the above experiments could require vast amounts of time, depending on the exact parts used in such experiments. Given enough time, the noise crest will reach the LED's forward voltage. For those who are less patient, it is possible you will see some photons emitted even below the LED's forward voltage. Regards, Paul Lowrance Sponsored Link Online degrees - find the right program to advance your career. Www.nextag.com
Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn
Rhong Dhong wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Here's what I've been able to glean from their site. It is self-powered. There is no input. No it's not. Right. The ceo has said he does not know the source of the energy. It isn't anything obvious, so maybe it is something like Frank Grimer's gamma atmosphere. Whatever it is, it just goes on and on and on, even to powering a 550bhp motor. They said it was a 550 hp unit. They didn't explain what that meant. Presumably it means either 550 HP _in_ or 550 HP _out_. It tells us nothing about the difference between power in and power out, however. There seems to be far less information on their website than one might think at first glance. This makes no sense, really. If they had something that really poured out far more power than it consumed, how much testing would they need to do to verify that it worked? The testing was done early on to eliminate the possibility of a measurement error. As I understand it, the testing since then has been to make it more efficient. Nothing in, something out = efficiency = infinity. Their jury of 12 scientists has not yet produced any public report, AFAIK, and they're supposed to be verifying that it works, not just tweaking it. So I'm not so sure the initial testing phase is really over. The whole thing seems to come down to this: If there's more usable power coming out than going in, you _CAN_ close the loop. (COP1 does not imply the _usable_ power balance is positive, please note -- a heat pump typically has COP1 and is anything but a perpetual motion machine.) If you close the loop, then you have PPM#1 and you're done. If you CANNOT close the loop, then you need to depend on expert witnesses and indirect data to show that you really have something. They apparently cannot close the loop, so they must resort to expert testimony to convince people that they've really got something. I am strongly reminded of the self-powered electric car which was ballyhooed around a while back -- whose was that, anyway? It used lead-acid batteries to power it (oops, not quite self-powered!) and recharged them as it ran. Couldn't close the loop; why not? Because the power really did come from the batteries, which were being whipped to bits to produce more power than is usual for batteries of that type. That's known to be possible, but not normally done; down side is that it supposedly ruins the batteries in relatively short order. This is where the lengthy cycle of testing to be sure the machine is not consuming some piece of itself comes in. If, to use the foregoing example, it uses lead-acid batteries, one needs to confirm that the machine isn't gradually chewing up the batteries while appearing to recharge them on the fly. There isn't enough information on their website, that I could see, to tell if they have any little gotchas of that sort built into the device. However, if it's really taking a jury of competent scientists a substantial amount of time to determine whether the thing actually works, it seems like a plausible guess that there might be some such issue involved.
Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn
Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Here's what I've been able to glean from their site. It is self-powered. There is no input. No it's not. Right. The ceo has said he does not know the source of the energy. It isn't anything obvious, so maybe it is something like Frank Grimer's gamma atmosphere. Whatever it is, it just goes on and on and on, even to powering a 550bhp motor. [** They said it was a 550 hp unit. They didn't explain what that meant. Presumably it means either 550 HP _in_ or 550 HP _out_.**] It's clear from the context that it is 550bhp out. There is nothing that they can detect going in. Presumably, the gamma atmosphere or something else is being tapped, but they haven't been able to figure out what it is. The unit is self-sustaining. Nothing needs to be 'fed' to it to keep it running. That sounds like a closed-loop to me, at least as far as the user is concerned; I guess if you are sucking up the gamma-atmosphere somebody might say it's really not a closed loop. Who cares? If the CEO is telling the truth, they have some kind of OU. [**This is where the lengthy cycle of testing to be sure the machine is not consuming some piece of itself comes in. If, to use the foregoing example, it uses lead-acid batteries, one needs to confirm that the machine isn't gradually chewing up the batteries while appearing to recharge them on the fly.**] They tested it for six months to make sure there was no measurement error, and have refined and tested it for 2.5 more years. They are completely confident that it isn't chewing up something in the environment. They are certain that they have OU. The jury is to help convince the public that they have the OU, not to convince them. It's a publicity gimmick. This is all based on what the CEO has said, of course, but if he's lying, he deserves an Oscar. - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn
--- Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Nothing in, something out = efficiency = infinity. The concept of infinite efficiency is somewhat interesting. Consider a black box that requires 100 watts input, and outputs 1 KW. When operating the black box could theoretically do away with the 100 W input by robbing 100 watts from its 1 KW output. So now the black box requires no input, but outputs 900 watts. :-) [snip] Regards, Paul Lowrance Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Vo]: Hidden Wealth
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:08:51 -0800: Hi, [snip] It is that strange isotope of hydrogen - 18O. Almost one percent of the unpalatable water in the Great Salt Lake water consists of this heavy so-called isotope 18O. The fact that there is such an abundance seems impossible, since 16O is one of the most stable of all nuclei. Unfortunately, I think the explanation for the high concentration can in this case be found in the mundane. The lake is salty because it has no outlet. This means that the only way out for water is through evaporation. As we all know, evaporation tends to favor the lighter isotopes, hence the heavier 18O gets concentrated (as should D BTW). It has been speculated, on this forum before, that some of what is responsible for this seeming anomaly in abundance is not due to a primordial isotopic branching - but instead derives continuously from the stable 16O in nature, which migrates in vapor and then in the ionosphere becomes ozone, and then may capture and serve as a host for the ubiquitous solar hydrino-hydride. If there is any of it on earth, this is one of the few possible mechanisms which can bring it down [if that is, the bulk of it arrives charged, in the Hy- form instead of Hy or Hy2]. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: [Vo]: weight and charge
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:37:45 -0500: Hi, [snip] Obviouslybut then again maybe free electrons and protons have no weight. [snip] The Solar corona (no to mention the Sun itself) is largely free electrons and protons, yet they are kept attached to the Sun by their weightor are they kept there by their electric field...or are they the same thing? :) When a charged particle tries to leave a neutral plasma, it leaves behind a particle of the opposite charge. That results in an attractive force between the plasma and the charged particle. If this force is summed over all particles, do we end up with gravity? (Just a what if - please all feel free to pounce at once. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: [Vo]: Hidden Wealth
On 11/27/06, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the coming decade [and stranger than fiction forms of wealth], take the national helium repository for instance - close by a certain ranch in Crawford TX. Well, now, this gives a whole new slant to the recent news: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/473514p-398371c.html Closed to install the new 3He separation system? Can't have a parade wasting such a valuable resource now can we? Terry
Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn
On 11/27/06, Rhong Dhong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't anything obvious, so maybe it is something like Frank Grimer's gamma atmosphere. You can count on it. Whatever it is, it just goes on and on and on, even to powering a 550bhp motor. This is larger than the alleged Perendev magmo. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Oil shale research in Israel
I am responding to Standing Bear off list.
RE: [Vo]: Re: Polarized Vacuum Between Concentric Spheres-Cylinders
It's interesting you should say that. For a long time I've predicted that the speed of light thru a charged capacitor (say vacuum dielectric, or any other) should be slower than normally. Has this experiment been done? According to my interpretation of Dewey B. Larson's Reciprocal System theory, it should. That would be easy to test -- just shine a laser between the plates of a charged capacitor at an angle to a linear edge and see if there's an offset in the emerging beam. See: http://www.rstheory.com/ http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/ Frederick Sparber wrote: ...marginally slower rate of time passage, which means, from the point of view of an outside observer, C should be slightly lower between the plates.
Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn
Paul wrote: --- Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Nothing in, something out = efficiency = infinity. The concept of infinite efficiency is somewhat interesting. Consider a black box that requires 100 watts input, and outputs 1 KW. When operating the black box could theoretically do away with the 100 W input by robbing 100 watts from its 1 KW output. So now the black box requires no input, but outputs 900 watts. :-) Absolutely -- and that's the point. They say they've broken the first law but they're still fiddling around trying to convince a panel of experts that their device really is over unity. If it's over unity, close the loop, and then there's no issue. COP1, which is their explicit claim, doesn't necessarily imply over-unity, unfortunately, and almost surely implies they haven't closed the loop, as I've already said. On the other hand, the fact that they apparently can't close the loop (at least, as I read their claims!) doesn't necessarily mean they haven't got an OU device. Something which consumed 495 watts and produced 500 watts might be hard to close the loop on, but it would nonetheless be a spectacular breakthrough. An example might be an electric motor which produced more mechanical energy than the electrical energy it consumed -- to close the loop you need to convert the mechanical energy back into electrical energy, which introduces losses which may eat up your OU. The result would be something that was in reality an amazing breakthrough, but which still wouldn't convince Bob Parks. (Does this describe the Sprain motor? I haven't been following that one.)
Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn
Rhong Dhong wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Here's what I've been able to glean from their site. It is self-powered. There is no input. No it's not. Right. The ceo has said he does not know the source of the energy. It isn't anything obvious, so maybe it is something like Frank Grimer's gamma atmosphere. Whatever it is, it just goes on and on and on, even to powering a 550bhp motor. [** They said it was a 550 hp unit. They didn't explain what that meant. Presumably it means either 550 HP _in_ or 550 HP _out_.**] It's clear from the context that it is 550bhp out. There is nothing that they can detect going in. They never actually said that, as far as I can see. They waffle around it but never quite come out and say it. If they said it, that would mean they had closed the loop. But, as I said, they have not asserted that they have _no_ input -- merely that the input is not sufficient to explain the output. They use a lot of very vague language, but try to find anyplace where they actually say there is _no_ energy input. I sure couldn't find such a claim. Here is what I found, on their technology page: [ ... ] Steorn's technology appears to violate the 'Principle of Conservation of Energy' [ ... ] 1. The technology has a coefficient of performance greater than 100%. 2. The operation of the technology is not derived from the degradation of its component parts. 3. There is no identifiable source of the energy. I would describe these statements as intentionally vague (what _IS_ the COP value, anyway? They don't say!). However, in view of statement #1, it appears to me that the energy in #3 can _only_ mean they have not identified this value: (output - input) It seems clear that it does not mean there is no input at all. If there were no input, statement #1 would be silly: COP=infinity in that case, and nobody would describe it by saying COP 1. Furthermore, their statement that it _appears_ to violate COE would be equally absurd IF they had no energy input -- there wouldn't be any appears about it in that case. But, they clearly _do_ have energy going in, and therefore they need to base any such claim on careful measurements to determine how much is coming out, versus how much is going in. There are two key points here: a) A heat pump has COP1 but it has an identifiable source of the excess energy (the exhaust air gets cooler). b) You can't close the loop on a heat pump because it doesn't violate either the first or second law. Presumably, the gamma atmosphere or something else is being tapped, but they haven't been able to figure out what it is. The unit is self-sustaining. Nothing needs to be 'fed' to it to keep it running. I could find no such statement on their website. As far as I can tell they wave their hands a lot but nowhere do they claim to have closed the loop. Anyway, enough. I will grant you that their statements are vague enough that, if you want to, you can interpret them to mean they have no energy going in at all, but I remain unconvinced that that's what they mean.
Re: [Vo]: Hidden Wealth
--- Robin I think the explanation for the high concentration can in this case be found in the mundane... No, no - I should have been clearer - it is not that 'local' concentration which is the precise anomaly in question. But yes there is the mundane explanation for the salt lake also. The 18O/16O ratio in the interstellar region (and presumably the 'normal' ratio found at the time earth cooled) has been measured as 0.18, almost three times lower than the present ratio found in earth's oceans (~.5) and much lower than the total planetary ratio (.3)which includes CO2. (Wilson Rood 1994). The best explanation for this is that the ratio is altered in a planetary environment by some unknown mechanism vis-a-vis interstellar space.
Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn
On 11/27/06, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An example might be an electric motor which produced more mechanical energy than the electrical energy it consumed -- to close the loop you need to convert the mechanical energy back into electrical energy, which introduces losses which may eat up your OU. The result would be something that was in reality an amazing breakthrough, but which still wouldn't convince Bob Parks. (Does this describe the Sprain motor? I haven't been following that one.) Indeed it does. The Sprain Magmo uses a spiral magnetic gradient to produce torque. An electromagnet is used to kick the rotor past the sticky spot. The energy consumed by the electromagnet is less than the mechanical energy produced by the gradient. The problem with self running has been the waveform of the energy produced by the PM generator. The voltage from the permanent mag gen ramps from 13 V to 28 V. 20 V is required to fire the EM. The min V is produced after the firing (when the torque is at a minimum). I have tried trigger circuits which don't draw from the magmo torque until the V exceeds 20 V; but, we have had no success since this eliminates a large part of the energy produced. The gradient of the field of the present configuration is 0.8 G per degree. We have a new magnet which will produce a gradient of 20 G per degree. We lack the enthusiasm to pursue a self-runner when you know that the new mag will ship soon. Now our limiting factor seems to be the inductance of the EM. The new EM weighs 45 lbs but only doubles the inductance. We will not achieve the theorized 4500 RPM; but, we will far exceed the current 90 RPM. I have no doubts this new mag will let us self-run. Stay tuned. Terry
Re: [Vo]: [OT] Google Maps Easter Eggs
Terry Blanton wrote: Vorts, While spying on my neighbors about a mile away, Tournament Players Club, aka Sugarloaf Country Club, I came across this image: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8z=17ll=34.010799,-84.115362spn=0.004562,0. 007231t=kom=1 http://tinyurl.com/wclkj Now, if that is a dirigible, where's the shadow? Does Google do this for fun? Or is it a UFO? I don't think it's faked. It looks like an ad blimp, and I see what looks like a definite shadow. First, look at the tree line along the highway, and look at the shadows from the trees. They're falling diagonally, to the upper left of each tree; you can see them like tooth marks on the highway. Now, at max zoom, draw a line from the _tail_ of the blimp in the same direction. Look at the embankment by the side of the highway, just above and to the left of the blimp. There's a dark area there, which has a bulge at the end, just like the blimp's tail, just about where the shadow might fall if the blimp is flying low. That dark area has no business being there, unless it's a shadow -- but note that its edges are fuzzier than the tree shadows, both because the blimp is a lot higher than the trees (and the edges spread at about a 1/2 degree angle, of course), and because it's falling on rough ground with lots of vegetation. Now, trace the body of the blimp in the shadow, which goes down and to the left. First, the shadow climbs the embankment, faster than you might expect, because the embankment is sloped. Second, it gets lost in the line of trees next to the highway, which are somewhat dark. Finally, the nose of the shadow apparently just barely misses getting onto the pavement -- or perhaps it runs over a bit, but is superimposed on one of the tree shadows. I've outlined the area in which I think the shadow has fallen, here (I drew the outline a bit outside the area of the shadow): http://www.physicsinsights.org/images/blimp-shadow-1.png Again, since the shadow is falling on a hillside, it's not parallel to the (horizontal) blimp. Terry
[Vo]: Neo-Valet Parking?
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RE: [Vo]: 1.568 x 10 -25 Farads
You're welcome, Frank. I am aware that the value of the proton radius is questionable, for example http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Proton.html the two values listed are 0.805 ± 0.011 and 0.862 ± 0.012 femtometers. So there is some wiggle room for theory, but 1.4 seems like too big a stretch from the known experimental evidence. See this for example. http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/9712347 which is a pretty good summation of work up to that date. Anyway, with these base figures I get a capacity for the proton of ~.96 x 10^-25 Farads. While I don't know how this all fits into your theory, it might prove more profitable to just toss out preconceived notions, find the most accurate measured values, and play with those. As I said, there's some wiggle room with the proton, but not much more than .1 femtometers. I rather like the direction Fred was going with this, although I would disagree that the impedence of the electron is the space impedence. I'd be happy to bat this around, but it seems like this list is still immersed in the kinds of discussion that drove me away last year. If you or anyone else has read this far, and you want to discuss these issues or others relating to the new energy scene, do contact me privately, I run a list for just this purpose. No requirements for joining other than the ability to think rationally and post without (too much ) axe grinding...*grin* Hope this helps. K. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:18 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]: 1.568 x 10 -25 Farads Thank you Keith, I made a mistake in calling the classical radius of the proton and the maximum radius of the proton by the same number. One is actually twice the other. My work required the radius of the proton 1.4 fermi meters. Do you have any ideas of why this is? Frank Znidarsic
[VO]:Re: Hidden wealth
Blank Jones wrote.. As for the coming decade [and stranger than fiction forms of wealth], take the national helium repository for instance - close by a certain ranch in Crawford TX. This one is not yet fictionalized. It was recently, very quietly, shuttled into private hands from DoE, in what is clearly political manipulation. There could be a trillion dollars worth of 3He hidden in there - but no one is talking. And few except at the highest levels would know for sure if a breakthrough in 3He fusion has taken place in a so-called black project. Still black-gold, eh? Howdy Jones, My! what big eyes you got grandma. Private hands indeed!... spell that Bechtol Corporation, George Shultz, the cowardly lion lookalike. Who is Bechtol ? The leading US nuke plant contractor, the 2nd in command ( still carrying Brown and Root's water) in Iraq et al. Enter the committee lead by Jim Baker ( another good ole Texas boy) serving to figure out how to right wrongs brought about by a totally disaster called the W factor. No place but Texas. Helium... ah ha ! Did you say Algeria? hmmm... French-Italian nuke interests ? Tell us why Helium and Nuclear power fit hand in glove.. an indispensible element. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
