Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

[Jones Beene]

Most interesting, Michael.  It would be even more so (to Mills' investors :-)  
... if there had been some of the Mills' UV lines as predicted - 27.2 eV , 13.6 
eV and so on.

Did you see any UV lines at all?



Michael Foster wrote:
  
  I tried this and it looks really kewl indeed. The potassium chloride I used 
was pure enough that if you do a simple flame test, you don't get any of that 
yellow-orange sodium color. I watched the sparking with a 1500 lpm diffraction 
grating and the double D lines of sodium are way too bright to be accounted for 
from the potassium chloride. So it's either transmutation (unlikely), or the 
energy produced by the sparking is enough to remove some sodium from the wall 
of the glass container.
 
 I didn't see any of the characteristic hydrino spectral lines :-)
 
 
  
  

Re: [Vo]:quantum effects coming out of a cavitating cleaner

[Michael Foster]

 I'd like to try this myself, but I can find no other reference to the 
phenomenon other than yours. By cavitating cleaner do you mean an ordinary 
ultrasonic cleaner, or is it something different? How much power is needed? 
What size and thickness of foil are used, etc.? 

If the surface of the aluminum fragments is black, it might be just be finely 
divided aluminum particles, which if fine enough are black. If, on the other 
hand, some transmutation takes place, I'd like to do some chemical tests.


 On Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 04:57:48 AM GMT, Axil Axil 
 wrote:  
 
 
Nobody had ever expected to see quantum effectscoming out of a cavitating 
cleaner. But amateur physics experiments performedat home have most likely done 
it. This breakthrough in amateur experimentalmethods is so much unexpected and 
might open the door to the discovery of howmultiple dimensions of a quantum 
system functions. Also this method could formthe basis of an experimental 
platform for string theory.

When a static system is doing multipleconcurrent activities, there is a chance 
that the system's dimensionalityexceeds that of space time. To my eye, this 
multi functionality seems to be thecase with a caveating cleaner eroding a 
sheet of aluminum foil.

There is an excellent chance that the cavitatoris producing a Bose condensate 
at room temperature. The usual method used toproduce such a condensate is to 
lower the temperature of a collection ofspecial atoms to near absolute zero. 
The usual method is an experimentrequiring the use of a $million worth of low 
temperature equipment.

The cavitating cleaner is producing Bosecondensation by just turning the unit 
on. This condensate can be studied inreal time. This process is also 100% 
reproducible and these micro basedexperiments can be performed using real time 
microscopic inspection methods aswell as high frame rate video examination. 
Just turn on the cavitator, and theBose condensates springs to life.

 There are over 70 different kinds and countingof Bose condensates currently 
characterized. It is not clear what flavor ofcondensate that is being generated 
in the cavitator.

The indications that a Bose condensate is beingformed by the cavitator is the 
appearance of a Mexican hat structure impressedinto the aluminum within a 
blackened duplex microcavity. The number eightshaped duel cavity begins its 
formation as a dipole but when the duel cavity isfully formed, only one side of 
the duplex cavity remains active. The otherinactive member of the dipole is ill 
formed and stunted. What marks the solitonas active is a vortex of water that 
is ongoing inside and above the cavitywhich is rotating at a fearsome rate. 
This vortex of water has been observed onvideo at 120 frames a second but the 
vortex still looks like an amorphous cloudeven at 8 millisecond resolution. The 
direction of rotation and its violencebecomes apparent when some detritus moves 
close to the water vortex. The watervortex looks like a cloud hovering over the 
aluminum sombrero as the rotationalrate of the vortex is so very great. The 
vortex of water is centered on thecrown of the Mexican hat structure that has 
been impressed into the aluminum.

The rotation of water above the condensate in thecavity is extreme. That rate 
of rotation is directly proportional to themagnetic field strength of the 
vortex tubes projecting out of the soliton. Itmight be possible to calculate 
this field strength of the vortex tubes of thecondensate by determining the 
rotation rate of the water and correlating thatrotational rate against the 
known magnetic strength of a rare earth magnet.Because the rate of water 
rotation is so great, a very expensive high ratevideo camera is required to do 
this rotational counting, however.

I also see the aluminum foil break apart andfloat in the roiling water currents 
atop the surviving duplex structures. Onsome of these fragments, the Mexican 
hat structures are still impressed intothe material of the fragment. On 
occasion, an active water vortex is stillactive on the surface of these 
fragments.

Some of these active fragments remain activeand continue to generate a water 
vortex even after the power to the cavitatoris turned off.

Without exception, the duplex structures haveonly one rotating water vortex 
ongoing. The other conjoined cavity in theduplex structure is inactive and its 
Mexican hat structure is ill formed. Itappears that the rotating vortex cavity 
has transferred its energy to thecounter vortex cavity structure. The direction 
of water vortex rotation iscounterclockwise which indicates from the right hand 
rule that the magneticeffect producing the water vortex is a North Pole 
magnetic monopole field.

The color of the surface of the duplex cavityis black except for the Mexican 
hat deposition which appears to rise out of thecentered base of the cavity. The 
Mexican hat formation has an iridescent jewellike nature, is now highly 
magnetic. When a 

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Here a good summary of Klimov's research that is much more serious than 
R.Mills


https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/1698/1/012034/pdf

He is talking of Hybrid atoms like NiH* that already Dufour mentioned 
(he did show spectra) in Asti.


J.W.


On 11.06.2021 22:23, Michael Foster wrote:
I tried this and it looks really kewl indeed. The potassium chloride I 
used was pure enough that if you do a simple flame test, you don't get 
any of that yellow-orange sodium color. I watched the sparking with a 
1500 lpm diffraction grating and the double D lines of sodium are way 
too bright to be accounted for from the potassium chloride. So it's 
either transmutation (unlikely), or the energy produced by the 
sparking is enough to remove some sodium from the wall of the glass 
container.


I didn't see any of the characteristic hydrino spectral lines :-)


On Thursday, June 10, 2021, 02:30:37 AM GMT+1, Jones Beene 
 wrote:



FWIW - I ran across a simple experiment while looking around for a 
science fair project for a neighbor's son ...


There are not many experiments which are both robust, cheap and don't 
require complex data logging to suggest the energy anomaly. One needs 
to find a discarded microwave oven of course...


https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=74572 






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8910 Affoltern am Albis

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+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

[Axil Axil]

Transmutation is NOT gainful. The reaction occurs in a coherent
environment that is in a state of superposition. Any energy that would be
produced is not realized and is placed in the cosmic trash can by quantum
mechanics.

This assertion is shown here

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/244_JCMNS-Vol24.pdf


Silcal Metallurgic Ltd. system produced 4.5 tons of transmutation per day
for weeks on end without the appearance of any excess energy.

Also, How can chickens produce calcium in their gut if transmutation
generates excess energy?

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 9:53 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Worth mentioning is this - the experiment using radiation in the radio
> wave spectrum to excite an alkali dissolved in water is similar to the
> device invented by John Kanzius. This invention was initially used to treat
> cancer but could also split water and ignite the gas in a flame, which was
> quite impressive.
>
> Unfortunately the device proved to be not gainful, although it was very
> efficient. It used RF in the megahertz range, which was resonant with
> sodium.
>
> Using microwave irradiation with potassium has the potential to be gainful
> - to the extent Mills theory is correct, even if the Kanzius device was
> not. Apparently resonance is involved with KCl too.
>
> It would be rather amusing if an amazingly simply way to apply the hydrino
> theory turns up inadvertently on the internet, which Mills has himself
> completely missed.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:quantum effects coming out of a cavitating cleaner

[Axil Axil]

Sorry, the project name is
ULTR

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 5:37 PM Axil Axil  wrote:

> Bob Greenyer of MFMP has moderated the experiments that you are interested
> in under the project name "ULTRA". There is a lot of info on Bob's site on
> this stuff.
>
> Bob's site is as follows:
>
> https://remoteview.substack.com/archive?sort=new
>
> also see
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-rAQkU1qLc=5819s
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 4:45 PM Michael Foster  wrote:
>
>> I'd like to try this myself, but I can find no other reference to the
>> phenomenon other than yours. By cavitating cleaner do you mean an ordinary
>> ultrasonic cleaner, or is it something different? How much power is needed?
>> What size and thickness of foil are used, etc.?
>>
>> If the surface of the aluminum fragments is black, it might be just be
>> finely divided aluminum particles, which if fine enough are black. If, on
>> the other hand, some transmutation takes place, I'd like to do some
>> chemical tests.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 04:57:48 AM GMT, Axil Axil <
>> janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> *Nobody had ever expected to see quantum effectscoming out of a
>> cavitating cleaner. But amateur physics experiments performedat home have
>> most likely done it. This breakthrough in amateur experimentalmethods is so
>> much unexpected and might open the door to the discovery of howmultiple
>> dimensions of a quantum system functions. Also this method could formthe
>> basis of an experimental platform for string theory.*
>>
>> *When a static system is doing multipleconcurrent activities, there is a
>> chance that the system's dimensionalityexceeds that of space time. To my
>> eye, this multi functionality seems to be thecase with a caveating cleaner
>> eroding a sheet of aluminum foil.*
>>
>> *There is an excellent chance that the cavitatoris producing a Bose
>> condensate at room temperature. The usual method used toproduce such a
>> condensate is to lower the temperature of a collection ofspecial atoms to
>> near absolute zero. The usual method is an experimentrequiring the use of a
>> $million worth of low temperature equipment.*
>>
>> *The cavitating cleaner is producing Bosecondensation by just turning the
>> unit on. This condensate can be studied inreal time. This process is also
>> 100% reproducible and these micro basedexperiments can be performed using
>> real time microscopic inspection methods aswell as high frame rate video
>> examination. Just turn on the cavitator, and theBose condensates springs to
>> life.*
>>
>>  *There are over 70 different kinds and countingof Bose condensates
>> currently characterized. It is not clear what flavor ofcondensate that is
>> being generated in the cavitator.*
>>
>> *The indications that a Bose condensate is beingformed by the cavitator
>> is the appearance of a Mexican hat structure impressedinto the aluminum
>> within a blackened duplex microcavity. The number eightshaped duel cavity
>> begins its formation as a dipole but when the duel cavity isfully formed,
>> only one side of the duplex cavity remains active. The otherinactive member
>> of the dipole is ill formed and stunted. What marks the solitonas active is
>> a vortex of water that is ongoing inside and above the cavitywhich is
>> rotating at a fearsome rate. This vortex of water has been observed onvideo
>> at 120 frames a second but the vortex still looks like an amorphous
>> cloudeven at 8 millisecond resolution. The direction of rotation and its
>> violencebecomes apparent when some detritus moves close to the water
>> vortex. The watervortex looks like a cloud hovering over the aluminum
>> sombrero as the rotationalrate of the vortex is so very great. The vortex
>> of water is centered on thecrown of the Mexican hat structure that has been
>> impressed into the aluminum.*
>>
>> *The rotation of water above the condensate in thecavity is extreme. That
>> rate of rotation is directly proportional to themagnetic field strength of
>> the vortex tubes projecting out of the soliton. Itmight be possible to
>> calculate this field strength of the vortex tubes of thecondensate by
>> determining the rotation rate of the water and correlating thatrotational
>> rate against the known magnetic strength of a rare earth magnet.Because the
>> rate of water rotation is so great, a very expensive high ratevideo camera
>> is required to do this rotational counting, however.*
>>
>> *I also see the aluminum foil break apart andfloat in the roiling water
>> currents atop the surviving duplex structures. Onsome of these fragments,
>> the Mexican hat structures are still impressed intothe material of the
>> fragment. On occasion, an active water vortex is stillactive on the surface
>> of these fragments.*
>>
>> *Some of these active fragments remain activeand continue to generate a
>> water vortex even after the power to the cavitatoris turned off.*
>>
>> *Without exception, the duplex structures haveonly one rotating water
>> vortex 

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

[Robin]

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Fri, 11 Jun 2021 21:30:50 + (UTC):
Hi,

You wouldn't see UV with a prism anyway. The glass absorbs the UV.


>Most interesting, Michael.  It would be even more so (to Mills' investors :-)  
>... if there had been some of the Mills' UV lines as predicted - 27.2 eV , 
>13.6 eV and so on.
>
>Did you see any UV lines at all?
>
>
>
>Michael Foster wrote:
>  
>  I tried this and it looks really kewl indeed. The potassium chloride I used 
> was pure enough that if you do a simple flame test, you don't get any of that 
> yellow-orange sodium color. I watched the sparking with a 1500 lpm 
> diffraction grating and the double D lines of sodium are way too bright to be 
> accounted for from the potassium chloride. So it's either transmutation 
> (unlikely), or the energy produced by the sparking is enough to remove some 
> sodium from the wall of the glass container.
> 
> I didn't see any of the characteristic hydrino spectral lines :-)
> 
> 
>  
>  
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

[Michael Foster]

 I tried this and it looks really kewl indeed. The potassium chloride I used 
was pure enough that if you do a simple flame test, you don't get any of that 
yellow-orange sodium color. I watched the sparking with a 1500 lpm diffraction 
grating and the double D lines of sodium are way too bright to be accounted for 
from the potassium chloride. So it's either transmutation (unlikely), or the 
energy produced by the sparking is enough to remove some sodium from the wall 
of the glass container.

I didn't see any of the characteristic hydrino spectral lines :-)


 On Thursday, June 10, 2021, 02:30:37 AM GMT+1, Jones Beene 
 wrote:  
 
 FWIW - I ran across a simple experiment while looking around for a science 
fair project for a neighbor's son ... 

There are not many experiments which are both robust, cheap and don't require 
complex data logging to suggest the energy anomaly. One needs to find a 
discarded microwave oven of course...

https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=74572


  

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

[Jones Beene]

Worth mentioning is this - the experiment using radiation in the radio wave 
spectrum to excite an alkali dissolved in water is similar to the device 
invented by John Kanzius. This invention was initially used to treat cancer but 
could also split water and ignite the gas in a flame, which was quite 
impressive. 

Unfortunately the device proved to be not gainful, although it was very 
efficient. It used RF in the megahertz range, which was resonant with sodium.
Using microwave irradiation with potassium has the potential to be gainful - to 
the extent Mills theory is correct, even if the Kanzius device was not. 
Apparently resonance is involved with KCl too.

It would be rather amusing if an amazingly simply way to apply the hydrino 
theory turns up inadvertently on the internet, which Mills has himself 
completely missed.

Re: [Vo]:quantum effects coming out of a cavitating cleaner

[Axil Axil]

Bob Greenyer of MFMP has moderated the experiments that you are interested
in under the project name "ULTRA". There is a lot of info on Bob's site on
this stuff.

Bob's site is as follows:

https://remoteview.substack.com/archive?sort=new

also see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-rAQkU1qLc=5819s

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 4:45 PM Michael Foster  wrote:

> I'd like to try this myself, but I can find no other reference to the
> phenomenon other than yours. By cavitating cleaner do you mean an ordinary
> ultrasonic cleaner, or is it something different? How much power is needed?
> What size and thickness of foil are used, etc.?
>
> If the surface of the aluminum fragments is black, it might be just be
> finely divided aluminum particles, which if fine enough are black. If, on
> the other hand, some transmutation takes place, I'd like to do some
> chemical tests.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 04:57:48 AM GMT, Axil Axil 
> wrote:
>
>
> *Nobody had ever expected to see quantum effectscoming out of a cavitating
> cleaner. But amateur physics experiments performedat home have most likely
> done it. This breakthrough in amateur experimentalmethods is so much
> unexpected and might open the door to the discovery of howmultiple
> dimensions of a quantum system functions. Also this method could formthe
> basis of an experimental platform for string theory.*
>
> *When a static system is doing multipleconcurrent activities, there is a
> chance that the system's dimensionalityexceeds that of space time. To my
> eye, this multi functionality seems to be thecase with a caveating cleaner
> eroding a sheet of aluminum foil.*
>
> *There is an excellent chance that the cavitatoris producing a Bose
> condensate at room temperature. The usual method used toproduce such a
> condensate is to lower the temperature of a collection ofspecial atoms to
> near absolute zero. The usual method is an experimentrequiring the use of a
> $million worth of low temperature equipment.*
>
> *The cavitating cleaner is producing Bosecondensation by just turning the
> unit on. This condensate can be studied inreal time. This process is also
> 100% reproducible and these micro basedexperiments can be performed using
> real time microscopic inspection methods aswell as high frame rate video
> examination. Just turn on the cavitator, and theBose condensates springs to
> life.*
>
>  *There are over 70 different kinds and countingof Bose condensates
> currently characterized. It is not clear what flavor ofcondensate that is
> being generated in the cavitator.*
>
> *The indications that a Bose condensate is beingformed by the cavitator is
> the appearance of a Mexican hat structure impressedinto the aluminum within
> a blackened duplex microcavity. The number eightshaped duel cavity begins
> its formation as a dipole but when the duel cavity isfully formed, only one
> side of the duplex cavity remains active. The otherinactive member of the
> dipole is ill formed and stunted. What marks the solitonas active is a
> vortex of water that is ongoing inside and above the cavitywhich is
> rotating at a fearsome rate. This vortex of water has been observed onvideo
> at 120 frames a second but the vortex still looks like an amorphous
> cloudeven at 8 millisecond resolution. The direction of rotation and its
> violencebecomes apparent when some detritus moves close to the water
> vortex. The watervortex looks like a cloud hovering over the aluminum
> sombrero as the rotationalrate of the vortex is so very great. The vortex
> of water is centered on thecrown of the Mexican hat structure that has been
> impressed into the aluminum.*
>
> *The rotation of water above the condensate in thecavity is extreme. That
> rate of rotation is directly proportional to themagnetic field strength of
> the vortex tubes projecting out of the soliton. Itmight be possible to
> calculate this field strength of the vortex tubes of thecondensate by
> determining the rotation rate of the water and correlating thatrotational
> rate against the known magnetic strength of a rare earth magnet.Because the
> rate of water rotation is so great, a very expensive high ratevideo camera
> is required to do this rotational counting, however.*
>
> *I also see the aluminum foil break apart andfloat in the roiling water
> currents atop the surviving duplex structures. Onsome of these fragments,
> the Mexican hat structures are still impressed intothe material of the
> fragment. On occasion, an active water vortex is stillactive on the surface
> of these fragments.*
>
> *Some of these active fragments remain activeand continue to generate a
> water vortex even after the power to the cavitatoris turned off.*
>
> *Without exception, the duplex structures haveonly one rotating water
> vortex ongoing. The other conjoined cavity in theduplex structure is
> inactive and its Mexican hat structure is ill formed. Itappears that the
> rotating vortex cavity has transferred its energy to thecounter vortex
>