Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release

2006-01-09 Thread Thomas Hug
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:15, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
 
 OPINION POLL
 
 
 please check (X) all points which apply ...
 (according to your opinion)
 
  [ ]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
  [x]  I did already know about it
 
  [ ]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches 
  [x]  I will start using BME patches now
  [ ]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all
 
  [ ]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
   stable Linux-VServer release because ...
 
   [ ]  I am using it/want to use it
   [ ]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
   [ ]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts
 
  [x]  I think this should NOT be included into
   the next stable release because ...
   
   [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested
   [ ]  it is not mature enough
   [ ]  it adds unnecessary code 
   [x]  it should better be fixed in
the mainline Linux Kernel


-thomas

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Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release

2006-01-09 Thread Raoul Bhatia [IPAX]

Herbert Poetzl wrote:OPINION POLL


please check (X) all points which apply ...
(according to your opinion)

 [x]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
 [ ]  I did already know about it

 [ ]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches
 [ ]  I will start using BME patches now
 [x]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all

 [ ]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
  stable Linux-VServer release because ...

  [ ]  I am using it/want to use it
  [ ]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
  [x]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts

 [x]  I think this should NOT be included into
  the next stable release because ...

  [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested
  [ ]  it is not mature enough
  [ ]  it adds unnecessary code
  [x]  it should better be fixed in
   the mainline Linux Kernel

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Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release [scanned]

2006-01-07 Thread Veit Wahlich
 OPINION POLL
 
 
 please check (X) all points which apply ...
 (according to your opinion)
 
  [ ]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
  [X]  I did already know about it
 
  [ ]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches 
  [ ]  I will start using BME patches now
  [ ]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all
 
  [X]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
   stable Linux-VServer release because ...
 
   [X]  I am using it/want to use it
   [ ]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
   [X]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts
 
  [ ]  I think this should NOT be included into
   the next stable release because ...
   
   [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested
   [ ]  it is not mature enough
   [ ]  it adds unnecessary code 
   [ ]  it should better be fixed in
the mainline Linux Kernel



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Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release

2006-01-07 Thread Tom Laermans
On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 23:15 +0100, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
 OPINION POLL
 
 
 please check (X) all points which apply ...
 (according to your opinion)
 
  [ ]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
  [X]  I did already know about it
 
  [X]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches 
  [ ]  I will start using BME patches now
  [ ]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all
 
  [X]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
   stable Linux-VServer release because ...
 
   [ ]  I am using it/want to use it
   [X]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
   [X]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts
 
  [ ]  I think this should NOT be included into
   the next stable release because ...
   
   [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested
   [ ]  it is not mature enough
   [ ]  it adds unnecessary code 
   [X]  it should better be fixed in
the mainline Linux Kernel

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Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release

2006-01-07 Thread Jan Rekorajski
 OPINION POLL
 
 
 please check (X) all points which apply ...
 (according to your opinion)
 
  [ ]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
  [X]  I did already know about it
 
  [X]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches 
  [ ]  I will start using BME patches now
  [ ]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all
 
  [X]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
   stable Linux-VServer release because ...
 
   [X]  I am using it/want to use it
   [X]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
   [X]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts
 
  [ ]  I think this should NOT be included into
   the next stable release because ...
   
   [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested
   [ ]  it is not mature enough
   [ ]  it adds unnecessary code 
   [ ]  it should better be fixed in
the mainline Linux Kernel

Jan
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Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release

2006-01-07 Thread Joel Soete

[...]


OPINION POLL


please check (X) all points which apply ...
(according to your opinion)

 [ ]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
 [ ]  I did already know about it

 [ ]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches 
 [x]  I will start using BME patches now

 [ ]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all

 [x]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
  stable Linux-VServer release because ...

  [ ]  I am using it/want to use it
  [ ]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
  [x]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts

 [ ]  I think this should NOT be included into
  the next stable release because ...
  
  [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested

  [ ]  it is not mature enough
  [ ]  it adds unnecessary code 
  [ ]  it should better be fixed in

   the mainline Linux Kernel


I trust that it would definitely answer to my question:
my host can see the guest mount point but couldn't modify it?

Thanks,
Joel
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Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release

2006-01-07 Thread Floris 'Tamama' van Gog

OPINION POLL




please check (X) all points which apply ...
(according to your opinion)

[ ]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
[X]  I did already know about it

[ ]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches 
[ ]  I will start using BME patches now

[X]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all

[ ]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
 stable Linux-VServer release because ...

 [ ]  I am using it/want to use it
 [ ]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
 [ ]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts

[X]  I think this should NOT be included into
 the next stable release because ...
 
 [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested

 [ ]  it is not mature enough
 [ ]  it adds unnecessary code 
 [X]  it should better be fixed in

  the mainline Linux Kernel


TIA,
Herbert

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Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release

2006-01-07 Thread Matt Paine

OPINION POLL


please check (X) all points which apply ...
(according to your opinion)

 [X]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
 [ ]  I did already know about it

 [ ]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches
 [X]  I will start using BME patches now
 [ ]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all

 [X]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
  stable Linux-VServer release because ...

  [X]  I am using it/want to use it
  [X]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
  [X]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts

 [ ]  I think this should NOT be included into
  the next stable release because ...

  [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested
  [ ]  it is not mature enough
  [ ]  it adds unnecessary code
  [ ]  it should better be fixed in
   the mainline Linux Kernel
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[Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release

2006-01-06 Thread Herbert Poetzl

Hi Folks!

The new year isn't very old yet, and already there
are questions over questions regarding the future
direction linux-vserver will take ...

anyway, interesting times and so I once again try
to get your opinion on a specific patch, the so
called Bind Mount Extensions (short BME)

(the hasty reader can skip to OPINION POLL)


what is it?
===

simple, the Linux kernel supports a few 'magic'
tricks in the vfs (virtual filesystem) layer, which
can be used to 'create' different views of the
underlying filesystems ... those are better known
as --bind and --rbind mounts, but also --move
mounts belong to this category.

what can I do with it?
==

they basically allow you to 'copy' or 'move' the
'view' of an entire directory to a different point
in the vfs hierarchy, let's take an example here:

 mount --bind /var/tmp /tmp

the result is that both /tmp and /var/tmp point to
the same directory (/var/tmp) in the filesystem,
even if they originally (e.g. var) are on different
filesystems

why would I need BME?
=

well, unfortunately the kernel design is flawed,
or better incomplete, in that way, that it does
not honor certain mount attributes, like read only
or noatime, more than that, it silently ignores 
them ...

 mount --bind -o ro /tmp /mnt/
 touch /mnt/foo



OPINION POLL


please check (X) all points which apply ...
(according to your opinion)

 [ ]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
 [ ]  I did already know about it

 [ ]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches 
 [ ]  I will start using BME patches now
 [ ]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all

 [ ]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
  stable Linux-VServer release because ...

  [ ]  I am using it/want to use it
  [ ]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
  [ ]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts

 [ ]  I think this should NOT be included into
  the next stable release because ...
  
  [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested
  [ ]  it is not mature enough
  [ ]  it adds unnecessary code 
  [ ]  it should better be fixed in
   the mainline Linux Kernel


TIA,
Herbert

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Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release

2006-01-06 Thread Guenther Fuchs
Hi there,

on Friday, January 6, 2006 at 23:15 there was posted:


HP OPINION POLL
HP 

HP please check (X) all points which apply ...
HP (according to your opinion)

HP  [ ]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
HP  [X]  I did already know about it

HP  [ ]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches 
HP  [ ]  I will start using BME patches now
HP  [ ]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all

HP  [X]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
HP   stable Linux-VServer release because ...

HP   [X]  I am using it/want to use it
HP   [ ]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
HP   [X]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts

HP  [ ]  I think this should NOT be included into
HP   the next stable release because ...
HP   
HP   [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested
HP   [ ]  it is not mature enough
HP   [ ]  it adds unnecessary code 
HP   [X]  it should better be fixed in
HPthe mainline Linux Kernel

Identified as: I'd like to use this, it should be fixed in mailine
Kernel, but it would be more than nice if VServer pre-fixes this, as
with VServer it becomes more an issue than with mainline.

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Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release

2006-01-06 Thread John Francis Lee
 OPINION POLL
 
 
 please check (X) all points which apply ...
 (according to your opinion)
 
  [X ]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
  [ ]  I did already know about it
 
  [ X]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches 
  [ ]  I will start using BME patches now
  [ ]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all
 
  [ X]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
   stable Linux-VServer release because ...
 
   [ ]  I am using it/want to use it
   [X ]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
   [ ]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts
 
  [ ]  I think this should NOT be included into
   the next stable release because ...
   
   [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested
   [ ]  it is not mature enough
   [ ]  it adds unnecessary code 
   [ ]  it should better be fixed in
the mainline Linux Kernel
 
 
 TIA,
 Herbert
 
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Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release

2006-01-06 Thread micah
 OPINION POLL
 
 
 please check (X) all points which apply ...
 (according to your opinion)
 
  [ ]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
  [x]  I did already know about it
 
  [ ]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches 
  [ ]  I will start using BME patches now
  [x]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all

or if i could add an option:
   [x]  I do not need/use this 'feature' right now, but might in the future

  [x]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
   stable Linux-VServer release because ...
 
   [ ]  I am using it/want to use it
   [x]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
   [x]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts
 
  [x]  I think this should NOT be included into
   the next stable release because ...
   
   [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested
   [ ]  it is not mature enough
   [ ]  it adds unnecessary code 
   [x]  it should better be fixed in
the mainline Linux Kernel


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Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release

2006-01-06 Thread Benedikt Boehm
OPINION POLL


please check (X) all points which apply ...
(according to your opinion)

 [ ]  I had no idea about this issue/deficiency
 [X]  I did already know about it

 [X]  I'm already using BME (or similar) patches 
 [ ]  I will start using BME patches now
 [ ]  I do not need/use this 'feature' at all

 [X]  I think this SHOULD get into the next
      stable Linux-VServer release because ...

      [X]  I am using it/want to use it
      [ ]  It's more a bugfix than a feature
      [X]  I like the idea of ro --bind mounts

 [ ]  I think this should NOT be included into
      the next stable release because ...
      
      [ ]  it is not thoroughly tested
      [ ]  it is not mature enough
      [ ]  it adds unnecessary code 
      [ ]  it should better be fixed in
           the mainline Linux Kernel
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