Re: Slide show with music
Hi Denise, i did something like this using imovie, it worked fine for me and you are also able to adjust the time that you show the frames for. I then burnt using idvd but this puts in an index at the front of the movie so someone else may be able to suggest something a little more straight forward. I seem to remember that there was a discussion about burning a few months ago on Wamug. Sam On 27/11/2006, at 11:58 PM, Denise Williams wrote: Hi Everyone I would like to know if anyone can suggest a program I can use for making up a photo slide show, together with a music track (I have music in iPhoto library). I need to be able to send it to someone, on a CD, who will be viewing it on a PC. I'd like to have the photos fading in out (such as can be done in iPhoto Powerpoint). Is it possible to put music into a Powerpoint slideshow? I've tried doing this but the music stops as soon as the next photo changes. I know there is good PC software for doing this, such as Pro Show Gold but I'd like to be able to do it on my Intel iMac. Can an iPhoto slideshow be saved for viewing on a PC? Any help greatly appreciated. Regards Denise Williams PH 9447 3468 MOB 0417 184592 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slide show with music
On 27/11/2006, at 11:58 PM, Denise Williams wrote: Hi Everyone I would like to know if anyone can suggest a program I can use for making up a photo slide show, together with a music track (I have music in iPhoto library). I need to be able to send it to someone, on a CD, who will be viewing it on a PC. I'd like to have the photos fading in out (such as can be done in iPhoto Powerpoint). Is it possible to put music into a Powerpoint slideshow? I've tried doing this but the music stops as soon as the next photo changes. I know there is good PC software for doing this, such as Pro Show Gold but I'd like to be able to do it on my Intel iMac. Can an iPhoto slideshow be saved for viewing on a PC? Hi Denise, Create your Slideshow with music transitions etc in iPhoto, then Export your iPhoto slideshow as a QT movie and burn the movie to CD Any PC that has downloaded and installed Quicktime for Windows will be able to play it. Cheers, Ronni
Re: Any way to open a corrupt PSD tiff?
On 27/11/2006, at 11:06 AM, Denise Williams wrote: Hi Everyone A question for the Photoshop gurus - I have been working on a photo that I'd saved as a 16 bit Tiff and I now can't open it again. I get messages that an unexpected end-of-file was encountered. Any suggestions please? I'm using PSD v8 on an intel iMac. Thanks Try opening it in GraphicConverter (http://www.lemkesoft.com/en/ graphdownld_en.htm). It's amazing what files this thing will open. If it does open, you can save it back as a new TIFF file, and Photoshop should then open it , -- Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
FS: G4 12 1.2Ghz iBook $700 plus extras
OK I'm reluctantly selling my 12 iBook, almost as new condition (barely used as I have G4 tower and a PowerBook that are my main Macs) Tracking these on ebay for the last few weeks they go for around $750 to $1000 + postage and delivery. As you know I generally sell my S/H gear way below current S/H market prices (or even give it away) but there's a vintage Rickenbacker guitar with my name on it so I'm asking the still very reasonable price of $700 to get a quick sale ... I've been wanting one of these guitars for years so need to sell this fast to secure a reasonable deposit on the Rick. Able deliver out as far as Joondalup/Rockingham/Mundaring areas Note that it will not be available to be delivered or picked up until this Thurday evening as I have to copy off all my digital photos then reformat it and run all the updates. Please ring my mobile (0403 692626) rather than the work number listed below. Details: Purchased new about 1 year and 7 months ago. Almost as new (my guess is much less than 100 hours usage in total) no damage to unit, screen is in perfect condition, no noticeable scratches to case (except for very very minor almost unnoticeable light scuffing) 12 screen. This unit has been BIOS flashed to enable extended desktop support on an external monitor, trust me on this this is a _very_ useful feature especially on the smaller 12 units. 1.2Ghz combo (DVD reader CDRW burner) 60Gb HD (largest built to order disk size that Apple suppled) 768 MB RAM (1x500Mb RAM + built in 256MB) 2 x USB2 1 x FireWire 400 Airport Extreme card with 11b 11g support no Bluetooth but has been tested and works with generic Bluetooth usb stick (which are around $40 - $50) a fresh, clean 10.4.x install with patches will be done for the buyer prior to delivery. Most (all?) documentation and all CDs Battery is in good condition and not one of the faulty recall units, last time I used it (this weekend just gone ) it easily got 2 1/2 hours of use with the battery meter still well in the green. Under extended 3 year warranty so almost 1 1/2 years remaining on it (I can't find the original apple protection plan paper work but the serial number is registered with Apple and if you have any issues I'm more than happy to act as a go-between for any warranty work should it be needed - that's part of my day to day work so not an issue for me) --- Extras: free STM neoprene slip bag + generic laptop shoulder bag. Also free I'll throw in a 15 Apple LCD studio display screen (like this http://futureshare.lip6.fr/images/AppleStudioDisplay.gif but in bondi blue) - nothing flash - it's 8 years old but still works well for word processing web browsing (and it looks cool as the laptop sits perfectly under the display giving an almost seamless desktop extension ) iLife 06 CD suppled. I'll also throw in for an extra $60 (if the buyer wants it) a USB+Audio Belkin Flip (KVM+ audio switch http://www.belkin.com/flip/), a Microsoft scrollwheel mouse and some assorted USB and Firewire cables. -- ~ Mark Secker Computer Support Officer ph# 61-8-6488 1855 (ECEL) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Western Australia - CRICOS Provider No. 00126G ~ It takes an idiot to do cool things that's why it's cool - Haruhara Haruka (FLCL) Ubi fumus, ibi fumus
Daylight Saving
has 'someone' informed time.asia.apple.com (or any other time server) that WA is switching to Daylight saving at the end of the week or do we need to revert to manual setting of our (computer) system clocks? my PDA has the provision for setting daylight saving options in a particular Time Zone but I can't find any similar options in System Preferences in OS X. Is there such a provision I am missing? I suppose all dashboard widgets that relate to timezones will need to be updated (somehow; sometime)? or do they all reference system time? what about something like iCal that allows timezone-support for events? at least with Y2K we had time to anticipate the problems ( probably averted most of the potential issues - rather than them not existing in the first place) peter meyer 0408 902349 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Daylight Saving
NTP (time) servers give times in GMT and it's not our absolute time that's changing. It's our timezone that's changing. There is an Apple support forum discussion going on the topic but no definite answer yet. One reported recommended solution from Apple WA is to change the time zone city to Osaka, Japan on the day and then revert to Perth when DS finishes. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3586651 There is also a non-Apple patch that someone had made http://www.ucc.asn.au/~matt/time/ - read the readme file - it just replaces the MacOS Aus/Perth time zone file and should work OK except that it BREAKS iCal as it has it's own Time zone settings. I've also contacted Apple Aus directly. The guy I spoke to had no idea but checked with a senior technician. Apparently a WA Govt dept has also been inquiring too as to Apple's recommended solution. I have a case number but no answer yet. There was mention of a possible patch from Apple, though I think we'd be lucky to see anything by the weekend. Noone was given much chance to do much preparation for this DS trial. Maybe a few calls of encouragement to Apple couldn't hurt. So I'd suggest that changing to the Japan TZ on Sunday would be the best option so far for most non-unix experts. woz On Tuesday, November 28, 2006, at 10:58AM, Peter Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: has 'someone' informed time.asia.apple.com (or any other time server) that WA is switching to Daylight saving at the end of the week or do we need to revert to manual setting of our (computer) system clocks? my PDA has the provision for setting daylight saving options in a particular Time Zone but I can't find any similar options in System Preferences in OS X. Is there such a provision I am missing? I suppose all dashboard widgets that relate to timezones will need to be updated (somehow; sometime)? or do they all reference system time? what about something like iCal that allows timezone-support for events? at least with Y2K we had time to anticipate the problems ( probably averted most of the potential issues - rather than them not existing in the first place) peter meyer 0408 902349 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Registrant comparison?
We have used CheapDomains (generally $38 / 2 years for .au and $48 / 2 years for international) and they happily tried to help us when we rang them. We have also used ClicknGO (around $39 / 2 years for international and $29 / 2 years for .au, although .com.au is more). Both have web based interfaces which allow you to change registration details - as far as I remember no trouble using Safari. Once the domain is set up you do not normally need much service from the registrar except an email when the domain is about to expire, to remind you to renew. Most do this - it is in their interest to do so. On 27/11/2006, at 4:15 PM, Steven wrote: Anyone know of any comparisons that have been done between Australian internet domain registrars with regards to price, features, service, etc? Particularly in relation to their Mac friendliness? Cheers, Steven -- Kaye Stott and Geoff Prince email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.kgweb.org.au
Re: Daylight Saving
Thanks Woz, Everyone is waiting on Apple to release a patch. Apple were quick to release a patch for the Commonwealth Games DST change, so hopefully they will be this time. We who use IceTV are hoping Apple come out with a Patch for WA DST before Sunday. http://www.icetv.com.au/iceforum/index.php?topic=484.msg2132#msg2132 Cheers, Ronni On 28/11/2006, at 11:53 AM, Warren Jones wrote: NTP (time) servers give times in GMT and it's not our absolute time that's changing. It's our timezone that's changing. There is an Apple support forum discussion going on the topic but no definite answer yet. One reported recommended solution from Apple WA is to change the time zone city to Osaka, Japan on the day and then revert to Perth when DS finishes. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3586651 There is also a non-Apple patch that someone had made http:// www.ucc.asn.au/~matt/time/ - read the readme file - it just replaces the MacOS Aus/Perth time zone file and should work OK except that it BREAKS iCal as it has it's own Time zone settings. I've also contacted Apple Aus directly. The guy I spoke to had no idea but checked with a senior technician. Apparently a WA Govt dept has also been inquiring too as to Apple's recommended solution. I have a case number but no answer yet. There was mention of a possible patch from Apple, though I think we'd be lucky to see anything by the weekend. Noone was given much chance to do much preparation for this DS trial. Maybe a few calls of encouragement to Apple couldn't hurt. So I'd suggest that changing to the Japan TZ on Sunday would be the best option so far for most non-unix experts. woz On Tuesday, November 28, 2006, at 10:58AM, Peter Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: has 'someone' informed time.asia.apple.com (or any other time server) that WA is switching to Daylight saving at the end of the week or do we need to revert to manual setting of our (computer) system clocks? my PDA has the provision for setting daylight saving options in a particular Time Zone but I can't find any similar options in System Preferences in OS X. Is there such a provision I am missing? I suppose all dashboard widgets that relate to timezones will need to be updated (somehow; sometime)? or do they all reference system time? what about something like iCal that allows timezone-support for events? at least with Y2K we had time to anticipate the problems ( probably averted most of the potential issues - rather than them not existing in the first place) peter meyer 0408 902349 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FS: G4 12 1.2Ghz iBook $700 plus extras
OK had a number of people express interest in this so please no more offers. I've replied back to those who've already expressed interest and let them know if they are 1st, 2nd or 3rd cab off the rank (so to speak) if none of these people commit to buying it before next Monday I'll re advertise. OK I'm reluctantly selling my 12 iBook, almost as new condition (barely used as I have G4 tower and a PowerBook that are my main Macs) Tracking these on ebay for the last few weeks they go for around $750 to $1000 + postage and delivery. As you know I generally sell my S/H gear way below current S/H market prices (or even give it away) but there's a vintage Rickenbacker guitar with my name on it so I'm asking the still very reasonable price of $700 to get a quick sale ... I've been wanting one of these guitars for years so need to sell this fast to secure a reasonable deposit on the Rick. Able deliver out as far as Joondalup/Rockingham/Mundaring areas Note that it will not be available to be delivered or picked up until this Thurday evening as I have to copy off all my digital photos then reformat it and run all the updates. Please ring my mobile (0403 692626) rather than the work number listed below. Details: Purchased new about 1 year and 7 months ago. Almost as new (my guess is much less than 100 hours usage in total) no damage to unit, screen is in perfect condition, no noticeable scratches to case (except for very very minor almost unnoticeable light scuffing) 12 screen. This unit has been BIOS flashed to enable extended desktop support on an external monitor, trust me on this this is a _very_ useful feature especially on the smaller 12 units. 1.2Ghz combo (DVD reader CDRW burner) 60Gb HD (largest built to order disk size that Apple suppled) 768 MB RAM (1x500Mb RAM + built in 256MB) 2 x USB2 1 x FireWire 400 Airport Extreme card with 11b 11g support no Bluetooth but has been tested and works with generic Bluetooth usb stick (which are around $40 - $50) a fresh, clean 10.4.x install with patches will be done for the buyer prior to delivery. Most (all?) documentation and all CDs Battery is in good condition and not one of the faulty recall units, last time I used it (this weekend just gone ) it easily got 2 1/2 hours of use with the battery meter still well in the green. Under extended 3 year warranty so almost 1 1/2 years remaining on it (I can't find the original apple protection plan paper work but the serial number is registered with Apple and if you have any issues I'm more than happy to act as a go-between for any warranty work should it be needed - that's part of my day to day work so not an issue for me) --- Extras: free STM neoprene slip bag + generic laptop shoulder bag. Also free I'll throw in a 15 Apple LCD studio display screen (like this http://futureshare.lip6.fr/images/AppleStudioDisplay.gif but in bondi blue) - nothing flash - it's 8 years old but still works well for word processing web browsing (and it looks cool as the laptop sits perfectly under the display giving an almost seamless desktop extension ) iLife 06 CD suppled. I'll also throw in for an extra $60 (if the buyer wants it) a USB+Audio Belkin Flip (KVM+ audio switch http://www.belkin.com/flip/), a Microsoft scrollwheel mouse and some assorted USB and Firewire cables. -- ~ Mark Secker Computer Support Officer ph# 61-8-6488 1855 (ECEL) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Western Australia - CRICOS Provider No. 00126G ~ It takes an idiot to do cool things that's why it's cool - Haruhara Haruka (FLCL) Ubi fumus, ibi fumus -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ~ Mark Secker Computer Support Officer ph# 61-8-6488 1855 (ECEL) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Western Australia - CRICOS Provider No. 00126G ~ It takes an idiot to do cool things that's why it's cool - Haruhara Haruka (FLCL) Ubi fumus, ibi fumus
Re: Daylight Saving
Thanks Tony but the Apple link just refers back to the basic help page for the date/time settings so unless there's an OS update in the offing, it sounds like we will have to abandon automatic time updates at this stage - unless there's a hack for the time-zone settings file? We don't seem to have the option of re-setting to other times-zones like Kuala Lumpur or Manila as they share our current, non-DS arrangement. Of course the Gov'mint info says it's 'your' problem - fix it (or have the software vendors fix it). It seems to imply that the vendors are doing this and I'm sure this would be true but but I guess they would have liked more notice Aha - I've just read Woz' reply too - yes moving to Osaka seems to be the best (temporary) solution. Thanks for that; I'd missed it. It does look like there are a number of hacks available but, as you say - there'll be an update at some stage. Tassie is catered for and that must be an even smaller part of the Oz market. There are quite a few implications when you start looking into fiddling with our clocks… On 28/11/2006, at 11:11 AM, Tony Monaghan wrote: The WA Government has put this link on their website. Hopefully it will do the trick. Vendor Updates The patches or instructions required to update computer operating systems are being made available from major computer vendors as listed below. Please note however that these links were provided by, and are the responsibility of, the relevant vendor. Apple http://www.apple.com/au/hotnews/ Cheers Tony mousepeter meyer 0408 902349 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Daylight Saving
Hi all, I am guessing that the best option really is to set your timezone to Osaka on Sunday. As people have noted, NTP (network time servers) provide GMT and your computer makes up its own mind thereafter. Even if Apple could release a patch this week, the experience with Microsoft suggests that you might want to avoid it anyway. I guess it depends whether Mac OS X Server is affected, for those who use it. If you had not already done so, enabling timezone awareness in iCal will hopefully cause it to automatically display the corrected DST/Osaka times in your calendar (just as if you were travelling). Apparently Microsoft released a patch for daylight saving (for selected products only), but it causes Exchange Server to crash, and although Microsoft recommends rolling back the patch, its instructions for doing so are a dead end. In any case, the patch doesn't fix all your events in Outlook, so Microsoft recommends that you print out your appointments onto paper as a backup and then change them all by hand!!! And even worse, if you have already applied Microsoft's patch, your appointments may be an hour out of step already, but it depends on how your Windows Registry was configured at the time you installed the patch. Whether or not you set your timezone to Osaka, just keep an eye out if you use any websites that are timezone sensitive (e.g., here I am using Google's Gmail), or if you use a corporate server that is located outside WA. Who knows what will happen in December...I don't imagine every other country is going to bend over backwards to patch their servers just because WA Parliament enacted some half-baked policy on the run with half a minute's notice... James.
Re: Daylight Saving
About this .DAYLIGHT STEALING .. Yeah !STEALING my beautiful cool morning they can keep their hot afternoon's ! Seems to me there's one thing everyone has overlooked ! DOWNUNDER in Sydney and Melbourne they have been STEALING the MORNINGS for a few years now 1 What do they do ??? Bob and just for the record my clock will be staying put ! They are not going to stuff up my day ! On 28/11/2006, at 4:29 PM, James Devenish wrote: Hi all, I am guessing that the best option really is to set your timezone to Osaka on Sunday. As people have noted, NTP (network time servers) provide GMT and your computer makes up its own mind thereafter. Even if Apple could release a patch this week, the experience with Microsoft suggests that you might want to avoid it anyway. I guess it depends whether Mac OS X Server is affected, for those who use it. If you had not already done so, enabling timezone awareness in iCal will hopefully cause it to automatically display the corrected DST/Osaka times in your calendar (just as if you were travelling). Apparently Microsoft released a patch for daylight saving (for selected products only), but it causes Exchange Server to crash, and although Microsoft recommends rolling back the patch, its instructions for doing so are a dead end. In any case, the patch doesn't fix all your events in Outlook, so Microsoft recommends that you print out your appointments onto paper as a backup and then change them all by hand!!! And even worse, if you have already applied Microsoft's patch, your appointments may be an hour out of step already, but it depends on how your Windows Registry was configured at the time you installed the patch. Whether or not you set your timezone to Osaka, just keep an eye out if you use any websites that are timezone sensitive (e.g., here I am using Google's Gmail), or if you use a corporate server that is located outside WA. Who knows what will happen in December...I don't imagine every other country is going to bend over backwards to patch their servers just because WA Parliament enacted some half-baked policy on the run with half a minute's notice... James. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Daylight Saving OT
Bob, do you really think that the temperature of the day will change? Surely not??? Best Regards Hugh Griffiths -Original Message- From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Howells Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:51 PM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Re: Daylight Saving About this .DAYLIGHT STEALING .. Yeah !STEALING my beautiful cool morning they can keep their hot afternoon's ! Seems to me there's one thing everyone has overlooked ! DOWNUNDER in Sydney and Melbourne they have been STEALING the MORNINGS for a few years now 1 What do they do ??? Bob and just for the record my clock will be staying put ! They are not going to stuff up my day ! On 28/11/2006, at 4:29 PM, James Devenish wrote: Hi all, I am guessing that the best option really is to set your timezone to Osaka on Sunday. As people have noted, NTP (network time servers) provide GMT and your computer makes up its own mind thereafter. Even if Apple could release a patch this week, the experience with Microsoft suggests that you might want to avoid it anyway. I guess it depends whether Mac OS X Server is affected, for those who use it. If you had not already done so, enabling timezone awareness in iCal will hopefully cause it to automatically display the corrected DST/Osaka times in your calendar (just as if you were travelling). Apparently Microsoft released a patch for daylight saving (for selected products only), but it causes Exchange Server to crash, and although Microsoft recommends rolling back the patch, its instructions for doing so are a dead end. In any case, the patch doesn't fix all your events in Outlook, so Microsoft recommends that you print out your appointments onto paper as a backup and then change them all by hand!!! And even worse, if you have already applied Microsoft's patch, your appointments may be an hour out of step already, but it depends on how your Windows Registry was configured at the time you installed the patch. Whether or not you set your timezone to Osaka, just keep an eye out if you use any websites that are timezone sensitive (e.g., here I am using Google's Gmail), or if you use a corporate server that is located outside WA. Who knows what will happen in December...I don't imagine every other country is going to bend over backwards to patch their servers just because WA Parliament enacted some half-baked policy on the run with half a minute's notice... James. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message.
MEETING REMINDER DEC 5th 2006
Hi Everyone, We have a special meeting for you this month. Christ Church Grammar School has kindly invited us to visit their Future Sphere computing lab. http://www.futuresphere.com.au/ Christ Church Grammar School Queenslea Drive Claremont West Australia 6010 They will be showing us all sorts of goodies for a last meeting of 2006, which will start at 7:30pm sharp. Welcome and overview of the facility, what we have, what we are doing, training options Talk by Anthony our Apple Systems Administrator on our Apple environment / servers / desktops / laptops Brief overview of the applications we are running (in particular some of the more obscure Mac apps - like ComicLife) Demonstration of a 3D Stereoscopic environment we have setup - which runs on a Mac We hope to see you all there. - Matthew Healey
Christmas BBQ
Hi All, The WAMUG BBQ has been scheduled for Sunday December 10th @ 12pm. If you would like to attend, please respond to this email as soon as possible. We need to get enough people to make it worthwhile. - Matthew Healey
Re: MYOB for Mac
On 27/11/2006, at 8:39 AM, John Julie Thompson wrote: Hi, From personal experience with club and society finances, I wouldn't go past Moneyworks. Moneyworks Express is quite powerful, covers GST and Salaries but not invrntory (need Gold for that), and most important, very easy to use and understand. If you want total confusion (unless you are a trained accountant) you can opt for MYOB. I think you are being very unkind to MYOB, John. In my experience, a large percentage of business owners like the work they do but really dislike doing the books. In the good old days we could all afford to send our stuff to accountants in the shoe box and not have to think about it. John Howard put paid to that when he introduced GST and forced us to do the books, as we should have done from day one if we were running a business anyway. I know many accountants told their clients to computerise or else go walk - they just would not have been able to handle it. MYOB was quite probably the first business accounting package that really made it affordable for small/medium businesses to do their own thing. What used to cost $4-5,000 was reduced to about $400 and later on even less for small/simple businesses. The main thing is that the user is trained in a manner that they understand, not how the trainer wants to present it. As an example, I recently helped a lady to set up her husband's business and was training her in it's use. She was carrying on the whole time and I had really thought that I had lost her, but I kept calm and tried to show what she needed from her point of view using her work flow. A few months later I got a surprise email from her thanking me for my perseverence and stating that she thinks MYOB is the best thing since sliced bread! (I think that's a bit debatable:)). So I am sorry you have had a bad experience with MYOB, but you certainly do not need to be a trained accountant to use it! Actually I know of some who can't use it themselves!! but that is more to do with their technophobia, I think. Cheers, Alex Regards John Thompson On 26/11/2006, at 7:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, I'm running the books for a student society next year and need some good accounting software for my mac. Does anyone have any pointers? Thanks, Christof S. Alex Novakovic - Best Computer Accounting MYOB Certified Consultant Mobile: 041 990 2440 Phone: 9305 6310 Time is a created thing. To say 'I don't have time,' is like saying, 'I don't want to.' Lao-Tzu
