Re: Navigation/Hiking/Walking Aps
I tend to agree Robin Cheers Rod on 27/04/09 7:01 PM, Robin Belford at rbelf...@highway1.com.au wrote: Here is my review of the MotionX-GPS iPhone app. I read this thread last night and purchased the full app. Today I used it on one of my weekend bike rides on the back roads south of Busselton, and whilst it did everything promised, I was generally underwhelmed with the results. I guess that it just reinforces my personal view. If I want to do GPS stuff I will buy a dedicated GPS and not use a sophisticated and clever (but basically half baked) feature of my iPhone. Sorry to be so down on things but that's the way it is. I use my iPhone for lots of things, but GPS isn't going to be one of them (not yet anyway). oh yeah, and the photo I took at a waypoint was not tagged with the GPS co-ordinates, what's the deal with that? It could show the location on the track generated from the app, but the photo as downloaded to my MBP didn't have the GPS co-ordinates in the EXIF meta data. That's just stupid. If I take an ordinary photo the meta-data is added I have deleted it from my iPhone. My advice? Get a GPS robin On 27/04/2009, at 6:35 PM, David Moyle wrote: Hey Rod From what I understand the iPhone won't fullfill your needs at all, you'll need some sort of hand-held device. Unsure of what would be suitable though. Cheers - Original Message - From: Rod Blitvich rb...@iinet.net.au To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Sunday, 26 April, 2009 2:36:12 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Re: Navigation/Hiking/Walking Aps Thanks Peter and Greg I am thinking that these iPhone GPS aps will NOT work if you don't have phone reception. Cheers Rod on 26/04/09 12:02 PM, Peter Fowler at pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 26/04/2009, at 10:37 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote: HiWAMUGers I have been using Trailguru for a while, but have had problems posting my data recently. Have just started playing with iMapMyWalk. Both of these aps track your walk on GPS and give you stats like av speed, distance, time etc. Have just been thinking about my planned overnight hike up Picininny Creek in the Bungle Bungles. One of these aps would be useful for figuring out how fast we are hiking, how far we have gone etc in order to calculate where to camp and how long it will take to walk back out etc. Have just been looking at the ap store and found MotionX-GPS http://gps.motionx.com/overview/ It seems like something we could use on our hike. Please: 1. Has anyone got any recommendations for hiking/GPS aps? 2. How long would the iPhone battery last if you turned off the phone/ ipod etc and only ran the Hiking ap? Would you get half a dozen hours?? 3. Will these aps run even when you don't have Phone signal, but do have satellite coverage? 4. Any advice would be appreciated. Ta Blitto (dreaming of his next holiday in July) Hi Rod I have been using MotionX-GPS for about a week now and it seems quite good and easy to use. I haven't tried using sat info only though as I have always had good cell tower signal. It can take up to 15 min to get a Sat signal on its own so that is something I would test out before I try to use it on it's own. You can try MotionX-GPS lite for free to see if you like it before you shell out your hard earned for the full app. Don't forget the phone does not have a magnetic compass so the apps acquire info from orderly changes in position. Steady directional motion will improve accuracy. As for extending the battery life of the iPhone, talk to Daniel Kerr and grab a Dexim Bluepack they are brilliant and can re-charge the phone back to full power in about one hour. To save battery life while using the app you can hit the sleep button and it will keep running in the back ground. You can also share the waypoints with this app by email or facebook but of course you will need a cell tower signal to do so . Hope all this info helps cheers Peter F -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- Rod Blitvich - Amy Sam¹s Dad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0409 681 256 rb...@iinet.net.au http://web.mac.com/blitto I don't have a big ego, I'm way too cool for that. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr
Re: Navigation/Hiking/Walking Aps
GPS many early GPSs utilized Intel 80386-class 16MHz CPUs or similar hardware. Also most modern GPS chipsets embed ARM or similar processor core which haves enough computational power and offloads main phone CPU from GPS computations and frees cell phone firmware developers from related programming, hence such advantage is questionable. Also there is potential disadvantage exists that data sent to assistance server could be potentially be used to track person's location in invisible manner with high precision, therefore eliminating person's privacy). A typical A-GPS-enabled cell phone will use a data connection (internet, or other) to contact the assistance server or a standard network connection for A-GPS information. If it also has functioning autonomous or standalone GPS, it may use standard GPS, which is sometimes slower on Time To First Fix, but does not lead to network dependent downsides, such as failure to work outside of network range, or charges for data traffic.[3] Some A-GPS solutions do not have the option of falling back to standalone or autonomous GPS. High Sensitivity GPS is an allied technology that addresses some of the same issues in a way that does not require additional infrastructure. However, unlike some forms of A-GPS, high sensitivity GPS cannot provide instant fixes when the phone has been off for some time. on 27/04/09 7:33 PM, Rod Blitvich at rb...@iinet.net.au wrote: I tend to agree Robin Cheers Rod on 27/04/09 7:01 PM, Robin Belford at rbelf...@highway1.com.au wrote: Here is my review of the MotionX-GPS iPhone app. I read this thread last night and purchased the full app. Today I used it on one of my weekend bike rides on the back roads south of Busselton, and whilst it did everything promised, I was generally underwhelmed with the results. I guess that it just reinforces my personal view. If I want to do GPS stuff I will buy a dedicated GPS and not use a sophisticated and clever (but basically half baked) feature of my iPhone. Sorry to be so down on things but that's the way it is. I use my iPhone for lots of things, but GPS isn't going to be one of them (not yet anyway). oh yeah, and the photo I took at a waypoint was not tagged with the GPS co-ordinates, what's the deal with that? It could show the location on the track generated from the app, but the photo as downloaded to my MBP didn't have the GPS co-ordinates in the EXIF meta data. That's just stupid. If I take an ordinary photo the meta-data is added I have deleted it from my iPhone. My advice? Get a GPS robin On 27/04/2009, at 6:35 PM, David Moyle wrote: Hey Rod From what I understand the iPhone won't fullfill your needs at all, you'll need some sort of hand-held device. Unsure of what would be suitable though. Cheers - Original Message - From: Rod Blitvich rb...@iinet.net.au To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Sunday, 26 April, 2009 2:36:12 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Re: Navigation/Hiking/Walking Aps Thanks Peter and Greg I am thinking that these iPhone GPS aps will NOT work if you don't have phone reception. Cheers Rod on 26/04/09 12:02 PM, Peter Fowler at pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 26/04/2009, at 10:37 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote: HiWAMUGers I have been using Trailguru for a while, but have had problems posting my data recently. Have just started playing with iMapMyWalk. Both of these aps track your walk on GPS and give you stats like av speed, distance, time etc. Have just been thinking about my planned overnight hike up Picininny Creek in the Bungle Bungles. One of these aps would be useful for figuring out how fast we are hiking, how far we have gone etc in order to calculate where to camp and how long it will take to walk back out etc. Have just been looking at the ap store and found MotionX-GPS http://gps.motionx.com/overview/ It seems like something we could use on our hike. Please: 1. Has anyone got any recommendations for hiking/GPS aps? 2. How long would the iPhone battery last if you turned off the phone/ ipod etc and only ran the Hiking ap? Would you get half a dozen hours?? 3. Will these aps run even when you don't have Phone signal, but do have satellite coverage? 4. Any advice would be appreciated. Ta Blitto (dreaming of his next holiday in July) Hi Rod I have been using MotionX-GPS for about a week now and it seems quite good and easy to use. I haven't tried using sat info only though as I have always had good cell tower signal. It can take up to 15 min to get a Sat signal on its own so that is something I would test out before I try to use it on it's own. You can try MotionX-GPS lite for free to see if you like it before you shell out your hard earned for the full app. Don't forget the phone does not have a magnetic compass so the apps acquire info from orderly changes in position. Steady
Re: Navigation/Hiking/Walking Aps
You right Rod, I turned the airplane mode on and tried for around 20 minutes and no GPS signal. Turned the phone off to reset it and then turned airplane mode off, restarted the app and had a signal within a minute. It seems GPS mode is only as good as the phone reception available Cheers Peter F Another iPhone production. On 26/04/2009, at 14:36, Rod Blitvich rb...@iinet.net.au wrote: Thanks Peter and Greg I am thinking that these iPhone GPS aps will NOT work if you don't have phone reception. Cheers Rod on 26/04/09 12:02 PM, Peter Fowler at pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 26/04/2009, at 10:37 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote: HiWAMUGers I have been using Trailguru for a while, but have had problems posting my data recently. Have just started playing with iMapMyWalk. Both of these aps track your walk on GPS and give you stats like av speed, distance, time etc. Have just been thinking about my planned overnight hike up Picininny Creek in the Bungle Bungles. One of these aps would be useful for figuring out how fast we are hiking, how far we have gone etc in order to calculate where to camp and how long it will take to walk back out etc. Have just been looking at the ap store and found MotionX-GPS http://gps.motionx.com/overview/ It seems like something we could use on our hike. Please: 1. Has anyone got any recommendations for hiking/GPS aps? 2. How long would the iPhone battery last if you turned off the phone/ ipod etc and only ran the Hiking ap? Would you get half a dozen hours?? 3. Will these aps run even when you don't have Phone signal, but do have satellite coverage? 4. Any advice would be appreciated. Ta Blitto (dreaming of his next holiday in July) Hi Rod I have been using MotionX-GPS for about a week now and it seems quite good and easy to use. I haven't tried using sat info only though as I have always had good cell tower signal. It can take up to 15 min to get a Sat signal on its own so that is something I would test out before I try to use it on it's own. You can try MotionX-GPS lite for free to see if you like it before you shell out your hard earned for the full app. Don't forget the phone does not have a magnetic compass so the apps acquire info from orderly changes in position. Steady directional motion will improve accuracy. As for extending the battery life of the iPhone, talk to Daniel Kerr and grab a Dexim Bluepack they are brilliant and can re-charge the phone back to full power in about one hour. To save battery life while using the app you can hit the sleep button and it will keep running in the back ground. You can also share the waypoints with this app by email or facebook but of course you will need a cell tower signal to do so . Hope all this info helps cheers Peter F -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- Rod Blitvich - Amy Sam¹s Dad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0409 681 256 rb...@iinet.net.au http://web.mac.com/blitto I don't have a big ego, I'm way too cool for that. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Navigation/Hiking/Walking Aps
Rod, I've not got an iphone, but have an old style GPS, and also use an HP iPaq with built in GPS and TomTom. I've loaded OziExplorer which works well for me in my off road pursuits. Battery power for full GPS functionality is always a problem. I noticed from the Motion X website which may help clarify: MotionX-GPS is exclusively designed and optimized for your iPhone 3G (the first generation iPhone and the iPod touch do not have the necessary GPS chipset to acquire a GPS signal). Tim On 27/4/09 5:01 AM, WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au wrote: Subject: Re: Navigation/Hiking/Walking Aps Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:05:44 +0800 References: list-472...@wamug.org.au X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5H11) You right Rod, I turned the airplane mode on and tried for around 20 minutes and no =20 GPS signal. Turned the phone off to reset it and then turned airplane mode off, =20 restarted the app and had a signal within a minute. It seems GPS mode is only as good as the phone reception available Cheers Peter F -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Navigation/Hiking/Walking Aps
utilized Intel 80386-class 16MHz CPUs or similar hardware. Also most modern GPS chipsets embed ARM or similar processor core which haves enough computational power and offloads main phone CPU from GPS computations and frees cell phone firmware developers from related programming, hence such advantage is questionable. Also there is potential disadvantage exists that data sent to assistance server could be potentially be used to track person's location in invisible manner with high precision, therefore eliminating person's privacy). A typical A-GPS-enabled cell phone will use a data connection (internet, or other) to contact the assistance server or a standard network connection for A-GPS information. If it also has functioning autonomous or standalone GPS, it may use standard GPS, which is sometimes slower on Time To First Fix, but does not lead to network dependent downsides, such as failure to work outside of network range, or charges for data traffic.[3] Some A-GPS solutions do not have the option of falling back to standalone or autonomous GPS. High Sensitivity GPS is an allied technology that addresses some of the same issues in a way that does not require additional infrastructure. However, unlike some forms of A-GPS, high sensitivity GPS cannot provide instant fixes when the phone has been off for some time. on 27/04/09 9:37 AM, Tim Law at t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote: Rod, I've not got an iphone, but have an old style GPS, and also use an HP iPaq with built in GPS and TomTom. I've loaded OziExplorer which works well for me in my off road pursuits. Battery power for full GPS functionality is always a problem. I noticed from the Motion X website which may help clarify: MotionX-GPS is exclusively designed and optimized for your iPhone 3G (the first generation iPhone and the iPod touch do not have the necessary GPS chipset to acquire a GPS signal). Tim On 27/4/09 5:01 AM, WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au wrote: Subject: Re: Navigation/Hiking/Walking Aps Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:05:44 +0800 References: list-472...@wamug.org.au X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5H11) You right Rod, I turned the airplane mode on and tried for around 20 minutes and no =20 GPS signal. Turned the phone off to reset it and then turned airplane mode off, =20 restarted the app and had a signal within a minute. It seems GPS mode is only as good as the phone reception available Cheers Peter F -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- Rod Blitvich - Amy Sam¹s Dad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Good Ideas 0409 681 256 rb...@iinet.net.au http://web.mac.com/blitto -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Navigation/Hiking/Walking Aps
Re the GPS. I don't think you'll get 6 hours out of the battery. I know I don't. 2 hours running the GPS seems to be the max for me. I use Trailguru as well, but can't seem to get it to start a new trail, it keeps wanting to add to my existing one. Need to do more research I think. Regards Greg On 26/04/2009, at 10:37 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote: HiWAMUGers I have been using Trailguru for a while, but have had problems posting my data recently. Have just started playing with iMapMyWalk. Both of these aps track your walk on GPS and give you stats like av speed, distance, time etc. Have just been thinking about my planned overnight hike up Picininny Creek in the Bungle Bungles. One of these aps would be useful for figuring out how fast we are hiking, how far we have gone etc in order to calculate where to camp and how long it will take to walk back out etc. Have just been looking at the ap store and found MotionX-GPS http://gps.motionx.com/overview/ It seems like something we could use on our hike. Please: 1. Has anyone got any recommendations for hiking/GPS aps? 2. How long would the iPhone battery last if you turned off the phone/ ipod etc and only ran the Hiking ap? Would you get half a dozen hours?? 3. Will these aps run even when you don't have Phone signal, but do have satellite coverage? 4. Any advice would be appreciated. Ta Blitto (dreaming of his next holiday in July) -- Rod Blitvich - Amy Sam¹s Dad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0409 681 256 rb...@iinet.net.au http://web.mac.com/blitto The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Navigation/Hiking/Walking Aps
On 26/04/2009, at 10:37 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote: HiWAMUGers I have been using Trailguru for a while, but have had problems posting my data recently. Have just started playing with iMapMyWalk. Both of these aps track your walk on GPS and give you stats like av speed, distance, time etc. Have just been thinking about my planned overnight hike up Picininny Creek in the Bungle Bungles. One of these aps would be useful for figuring out how fast we are hiking, how far we have gone etc in order to calculate where to camp and how long it will take to walk back out etc. Have just been looking at the ap store and found MotionX-GPS http://gps.motionx.com/overview/ It seems like something we could use on our hike. Please: 1. Has anyone got any recommendations for hiking/GPS aps? 2. How long would the iPhone battery last if you turned off the phone/ ipod etc and only ran the Hiking ap? Would you get half a dozen hours?? 3. Will these aps run even when you don't have Phone signal, but do have satellite coverage? 4. Any advice would be appreciated. Ta Blitto (dreaming of his next holiday in July) Hi Rod I have been using MotionX-GPS for about a week now and it seems quite good and easy to use. I haven't tried using sat info only though as I have always had good cell tower signal. It can take up to 15 min to get a Sat signal on its own so that is something I would test out before I try to use it on it's own. You can try MotionX-GPS lite for free to see if you like it before you shell out your hard earned for the full app. Don't forget the phone does not have a magnetic compass so the apps acquire info from orderly changes in position. Steady directional motion will improve accuracy. As for extending the battery life of the iPhone, talk to Daniel Kerr and grab a Dexim Bluepack they are brilliant and can re-charge the phone back to full power in about one hour. To save battery life while using the app you can hit the sleep button and it will keep running in the back ground. You can also share the waypoints with this app by email or facebook but of course you will need a cell tower signal to do so . Hope all this info helps cheers Peter F -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
