Re: Not happy Jan!

2015-04-16 Thread Neil Houghton
Hi Laura,

I seem to remember that, sometime in the past, WAMUG used to have video of
their meetings online for later viewing.

I think this was when meetings were at Curtin - so it may have made use of
Curtin infrastructure?


Cheers




Neil
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on 15/4/15 14:14, Laura Webb at el...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Hi Ronni

Your comment that you would have liked to hear Peter H's
 presentation and thoughts at the WAMUG meeting reminded me that I have been
 meaning to ask if there is any way that pertinent information from WAMUG
 meetings could be passed on to members unable to attend the monthly
 meetings.

Aware of the precious time contributed by committee members, I'm
 sure I am not the only one who would appreciate, if at all possible, just a
 brief résumé of the meeting proceedings.

In the meantime I shall keep well
 away from the latest Photos upgrade!!

Kind regards
Laura

Sent from my
 iPad


 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:27 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 

 Wow... So I would guess the upgrade to Photos.app from iPhoto.app is the
 cause.
 
 I've updated my 17 MBP to OS X 10.10.3 with Photos.app but at the
 moment I'm leaving my MBA at OS X 10.10.2 with iPhoto.app
 
 So far there is
 not much I like about Photos.app.
 I would have liked to see and hear Peter
 H's presentation and thoughts last night at WAMUG meeting as Peter H mentioned
 he really liked the new Photos App and I highly value Peter's observations and
 thoughts.
 
 When I can find some time I'll give more thought to why PSE is
 not working in 10.10.3?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 

 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:04 pm, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 
 Ronnie,  Elements 6 was working fine until the last upgrade from 10.10.1
 to 10.10.3.
 
 Kev
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:44 am, Ronda Brown
 ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hey Kevin,
 
 Photo Elements 6 was
 compatible with OS X 10.4.8 through to 10.5.2.
 If you had PSE 6 working in
 Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 you were lucky!
 
 Photoshop Elements 13.0 is
 the current version.
 

 https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-photos
 hop-elements.html
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's
 iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:21 am, Kevin Lock
 kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Updating to 10.10.3 has lost me the
 use of Photoshop Elements 6.   
 
 I am turning into a bit of a
 luddite.A couple of my Macs running 10.6.8 run quite nicely thanks.  
 
 Kev
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Re: Not happy Jan!

2015-04-16 Thread Laura Webb
Hi Neil

Yes I am sure that was when meetings were at Curtin and the facilities were 
available for recording. I had in mind perhaps some brief notes when a 
particular item of general interest is on the Agenda.

Regards
Laura

Sent from my iPad


 On 16 Apr 2015, at 2:04 pm, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote:
 
 Hi Laura,
 
 I seem to remember that, sometime in the past, WAMUG used to have video of
 their meetings online for later viewing.
 
 I think this was when meetings were at Curtin - so it may have made use of
 Curtin infrastructure?
 
 
 Cheers
 
 
 
 
 Neil
 -- 
 Neil R. Houghton
 Albany, Western Australia
 Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
 Email: n...@possumology.com
 
 
 
 
 on 15/4/15 14:14, Laura Webb at el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 
 Your comment that you would have liked to hear Peter H's
 presentation and thoughts at the WAMUG meeting reminded me that I have been
 meaning to ask if there is any way that pertinent information from WAMUG
 meetings could be passed on to members unable to attend the monthly
 meetings.
 
 Aware of the precious time contributed by committee members, I'm
 sure I am not the only one who would appreciate, if at all possible, just a
 brief résumé of the meeting proceedings.
 
 In the meantime I shall keep well
 away from the latest Photos upgrade!!
 
 Kind regards
 Laura
 
 Sent from my
 iPad
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:27 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 
 Wow... So I would guess the upgrade to Photos.app from iPhoto.app is the
 cause.
 
 I've updated my 17 MBP to OS X 10.10.3 with Photos.app but at the
 moment I'm leaving my MBA at OS X 10.10.2 with iPhoto.app
 
 So far there is
 not much I like about Photos.app.
 I would have liked to see and hear Peter
 H's presentation and thoughts last night at WAMUG meeting as Peter H 
 mentioned
 he really liked the new Photos App and I highly value Peter's observations 
 and
 thoughts.
 
 When I can find some time I'll give more thought to why PSE is
 not working in 10.10.3?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:04 pm, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 
 Ronnie,  Elements 6 was working fine until the last upgrade from 10.10.1
 to 10.10.3.
 
 Kev
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:44 am, Ronda Brown
 ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hey Kevin,
 
 Photo Elements 6 was
 compatible with OS X 10.4.8 through to 10.5.2.
 If you had PSE 6 working in
 Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 you were lucky!
 
 Photoshop Elements 13.0 is
 the current version.
 
 
 https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-photos
 hop-elements.html
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's
 iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:21 am, Kevin Lock
 kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Updating to 10.10.3 has lost me the
 use of Photoshop Elements 6.   
 
 I am turning into a bit of a
 luddite.A couple of my Macs running 10.6.8 run quite nicely thanks.  
 
 Kev
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Re: Not happy Jan!

2015-04-15 Thread Kevin Lock
Elements 6 simply would not open.  I uninstalled it and tried to install it 
again, but even though I haven’t assigned a password to that iMac it would not 
complete the installation. bootstrapper.dmgassetssetup notice saying ’setup 
wants to make changes. Type in your password to allow this’.  Tried all my 
passwords ( I am 75) and my google password, to no avail.

I’ll just use another Mac for Photoshop tasks.

Thanks for your help. 

Kev


 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:45 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kevin,
 
 What actually is happening in PSE 6?
 Is PSE crashing when you try to launch it?
 If you double click a file, or drag the file to the application icon - does 
 it open normally?
 The problem seems to happen when you try to open an external file from within 
 elements using Elements File  Open. Which could indicate it is crashing in 
 ColorSync.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:27 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com 
 mailto:ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Wow... So I would guess the upgrade to Photos.app from iPhoto.app is the 
 cause.
 
 I've updated my 17 MBP to OS X 10.10.3 with Photos.app but at the moment 
 I'm leaving my MBA at OS X 10.10.2 with iPhoto.app
 
 So far there is not much I like about Photos.app.
 I would have liked to see and hear Peter H's presentation and thoughts last 
 night at WAMUG meeting as Peter H mentioned he really liked the new Photos 
 App and I highly value Peter's observations and thoughts.
 
 When I can find some time I'll give more thought to why PSE is not working 
 in 10.10.3?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:04 pm, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au 
 mailto:kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Ronnie,  Elements 6 was working fine until the last upgrade from 10.10.1 to 
 10.10.3.
 
 Kev
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:44 am, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com 
 mailto:ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hey Kevin,
 
 Photo Elements 6 was compatible with OS X 10.4.8 through to 10.5.2.
 If you had PSE 6 working in Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 you were lucky!
 
 Photoshop Elements 13.0 is the current version.
 
 https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-photoshop-elements.html
  
 https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-photoshop-elements.html
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:21 am, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au 
 mailto:kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Updating to 10.10.3 has lost me the use of Photoshop Elements 6.   
 
 I am turning into a bit of a luddite.A couple of my Macs running 
 10.6.8 run quite nicely thanks.  
 
 Kev
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Re: Not happy Jan!

2015-04-15 Thread Laura Webb
Hi Ronni

Your comment that you would have liked to hear Peter H's presentation and 
thoughts at the WAMUG meeting reminded me that I have been meaning to ask if 
there is any way that pertinent information from WAMUG meetings could be passed 
on to members unable to attend the monthly meetings.

Aware of the precious time contributed by committee members, I'm sure I am not 
the only one who would appreciate, if at all possible, just a brief résumé of 
the meeting proceedings.

In the meantime I shall keep well away from the latest Photos upgrade!!

Kind regards
Laura

Sent from my iPad


 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:27 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Wow... So I would guess the upgrade to Photos.app from iPhoto.app is the 
 cause.
 
 I've updated my 17 MBP to OS X 10.10.3 with Photos.app but at the moment I'm 
 leaving my MBA at OS X 10.10.2 with iPhoto.app
 
 So far there is not much I like about Photos.app.
 I would have liked to see and hear Peter H's presentation and thoughts last 
 night at WAMUG meeting as Peter H mentioned he really liked the new Photos 
 App and I highly value Peter's observations and thoughts.
 
 When I can find some time I'll give more thought to why PSE is not working in 
 10.10.3?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:04 pm, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Ronnie,  Elements 6 was working fine until the last upgrade from 10.10.1 to 
 10.10.3.
 
 Kev
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:44 am, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hey Kevin,
 
 Photo Elements 6 was compatible with OS X 10.4.8 through to 10.5.2.
 If you had PSE 6 working in Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 you were lucky!
 
 Photoshop Elements 13.0 is the current version.
 
 https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-photoshop-elements.html
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:21 am, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Updating to 10.10.3 has lost me the use of Photoshop Elements 6.   
 
 I am turning into a bit of a luddite.A couple of my Macs running 
 10.6.8 run quite nicely thanks.  
 
 Kev
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Not happy Jan!

2015-04-14 Thread Kevin Lock
Updating to 10.10.3 has lost me the use of Photoshop Elements 6.   

I am turning into a bit of a luddite.A couple of my Macs running 10.6.8 run 
quite nicely thanks.  

Kev
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Re: Not happy Jan!

2015-04-14 Thread Kevin Lock
Ronnie,  Elements 6 was working fine until the last upgrade from 10.10.1 to 
10.10.3.

Kev


 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:44 am, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hey Kevin,
 
 Photo Elements 6 was compatible with OS X 10.4.8 through to 10.5.2.
 If you had PSE 6 working in Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 you were lucky!
 
 Photoshop Elements 13.0 is the current version.
 
 https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-photoshop-elements.html
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:21 am, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Updating to 10.10.3 has lost me the use of Photoshop Elements 6.   
 
 I am turning into a bit of a luddite.A couple of my Macs running 10.6.8 
 run quite nicely thanks.  
 
 Kev
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Re: Not happy Jan!

2015-04-14 Thread Kaye and Geoff
Hi Kevin

On 15/04/2015, at 11:21 AM, Kevin Lock wrote:

 Updating to 10.10.3 has lost me the use of Photoshop Elements 6.   
 
 I am turning into a bit of a luddite.A couple of my Macs running 10.6.8 
 run quite nicely thanks.  


I am running 10.6.8 as well with no plans to upgrade (not that I could with our 
internet connection speed - the download would take many many hours and would 
almost certainly fail before it completed).

I am on Photoshop Elements 4 which does more than I need. I also run an old 
version of Graphic Converter because the newer version, though compatible, has 
inexplicably removed some useful features which I regularly use. But then I 
still pine for Cricket Graph and even the old MacDraw which could handle bitmap 
and vector graphics together in a way that no current program seems to be able 
to emulate.

I am obviously a lot of a luddite (we still have at least one machine running 
7.something plus DOS on a 486).

Geoff
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Re: Not happy Jan!

2015-04-14 Thread Ronda Brown
Wow... So I would guess the upgrade to Photos.app from iPhoto.app is the cause.

I've updated my 17 MBP to OS X 10.10.3 with Photos.app but at the moment I'm 
leaving my MBA at OS X 10.10.2 with iPhoto.app

So far there is not much I like about Photos.app.
I would have liked to see and hear Peter H's presentation and thoughts last 
night at WAMUG meeting as Peter H mentioned he really liked the new Photos App 
and I highly value Peter's observations and thoughts.

When I can find some time I'll give more thought to why PSE is not working in 
10.10.3?

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:04 pm, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Ronnie,  Elements 6 was working fine until the last upgrade from 10.10.1 to 
 10.10.3.
 
 Kev
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:44 am, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hey Kevin,
 
 Photo Elements 6 was compatible with OS X 10.4.8 through to 10.5.2.
 If you had PSE 6 working in Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 you were lucky!
 
 Photoshop Elements 13.0 is the current version.
 
 https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-photoshop-elements.html
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:21 am, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Updating to 10.10.3 has lost me the use of Photoshop Elements 6.   
 
 I am turning into a bit of a luddite.A couple of my Macs running 10.6.8 
 run quite nicely thanks.  
 
 Kev
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Re: Not happy Jan!

2015-04-14 Thread Ronda Brown
Hi Kevin,

What actually is happening in PSE 6?
Is PSE crashing when you try to launch it?
If you double click a file, or drag the file to the application icon - does it 
open normally?
The problem seems to happen when you try to open an external file from within 
elements using Elements File  Open. Which could indicate it is crashing in 
ColorSync.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:27 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Wow... So I would guess the upgrade to Photos.app from iPhoto.app is the 
 cause.
 
 I've updated my 17 MBP to OS X 10.10.3 with Photos.app but at the moment I'm 
 leaving my MBA at OS X 10.10.2 with iPhoto.app
 
 So far there is not much I like about Photos.app.
 I would have liked to see and hear Peter H's presentation and thoughts last 
 night at WAMUG meeting as Peter H mentioned he really liked the new Photos 
 App and I highly value Peter's observations and thoughts.
 
 When I can find some time I'll give more thought to why PSE is not working in 
 10.10.3?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:04 pm, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Ronnie,  Elements 6 was working fine until the last upgrade from 10.10.1 to 
 10.10.3.
 
 Kev
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:44 am, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hey Kevin,
 
 Photo Elements 6 was compatible with OS X 10.4.8 through to 10.5.2.
 If you had PSE 6 working in Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 you were lucky!
 
 Photoshop Elements 13.0 is the current version.
 
 https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-photoshop-elements.html
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:21 am, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Updating to 10.10.3 has lost me the use of Photoshop Elements 6.   
 
 I am turning into a bit of a luddite.A couple of my Macs running 
 10.6.8 run quite nicely thanks.  
 
 Kev
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Re: Not happy Jan!

2015-04-14 Thread Kevin Lock
Ronnie,

it’s not a biggy as I have PS Elements 6 on several other machines on my 
network loaded with working Elements 6 and can use one of them and email myself.

I did notice that the Photos app took over from iPhoto, but after a short look 
at I am reasonably happy with that.

My long-term project restoring Macs for needy people is stuck at the PPC G4/G5 
level and Adobe’s Flash player is no longer supported (or rather it's that 
older Macs are no longer supported).

Regards,

Kev


 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:27 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Wow... So I would guess the upgrade to Photos.app from iPhoto.app is the 
 cause.
 
 I've updated my 17 MBP to OS X 10.10.3 with Photos.app but at the moment I'm 
 leaving my MBA at OS X 10.10.2 with iPhoto.app
 
 So far there is not much I like about Photos.app.
 I would have liked to see and hear Peter H's presentation and thoughts last 
 night at WAMUG meeting as Peter H mentioned he really liked the new Photos 
 App and I highly value Peter's observations and thoughts.
 
 When I can find some time I'll give more thought to why PSE is not working in 
 10.10.3?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:04 pm, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Ronnie,  Elements 6 was working fine until the last upgrade from 10.10.1 to 
 10.10.3.
 
 Kev
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:44 am, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hey Kevin,
 
 Photo Elements 6 was compatible with OS X 10.4.8 through to 10.5.2.
 If you had PSE 6 working in Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 you were lucky!
 
 Photoshop Elements 13.0 is the current version.
 
 https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-photoshop-elements.html
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:21 am, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Updating to 10.10.3 has lost me the use of Photoshop Elements 6.   
 
 I am turning into a bit of a luddite.A couple of my Macs running 
 10.6.8 run quite nicely thanks.  
 
 Kev
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Re: Not happy Jan!

2015-04-14 Thread Ronda Brown
Hi Kevin,

From what I can quickly find out as I mentioned previously.
The problem seems to happen when you try to open an external file from within 
elements using elements File  Open. 

If you double click the file, or drag the file to the application icon - does 
it open normally? 
If you are able to open by double-click, or drag/drop on PSE Icon, the fault is 
within the OS open dialog.
Isolated to the OS Open Dialog. You might encounter the same problem if you 
attempt to open that same file from another application using the OS open 
dialog.

Ok that's it I'm out of here.
Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:45 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kevin,
 
 What actually is happening in PSE 6?
 Is PSE crashing when you try to launch it?
 If you double click a file, or drag the file to the application icon - does 
 it open normally?
 The problem seems to happen when you try to open an external file from within 
 elements using Elements File  Open. Which could indicate it is crashing in 
 ColorSync.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:27 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Wow... So I would guess the upgrade to Photos.app from iPhoto.app is the 
 cause.
 
 I've updated my 17 MBP to OS X 10.10.3 with Photos.app but at the moment 
 I'm leaving my MBA at OS X 10.10.2 with iPhoto.app
 
 So far there is not much I like about Photos.app.
 I would have liked to see and hear Peter H's presentation and thoughts last 
 night at WAMUG meeting as Peter H mentioned he really liked the new Photos 
 App and I highly value Peter's observations and thoughts.
 
 When I can find some time I'll give more thought to why PSE is not working 
 in 10.10.3?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:04 pm, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Ronnie,  Elements 6 was working fine until the last upgrade from 10.10.1 to 
 10.10.3.
 
 Kev
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:44 am, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hey Kevin,
 
 Photo Elements 6 was compatible with OS X 10.4.8 through to 10.5.2.
 If you had PSE 6 working in Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 you were lucky!
 
 Photoshop Elements 13.0 is the current version.
 
 https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-photoshop-elements.html
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Apr 2015, at 11:21 am, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Updating to 10.10.3 has lost me the use of Photoshop Elements 6.   
 
 I am turning into a bit of a luddite.A couple of my Macs running 
 10.6.8 run quite nicely thanks.  
 
 Kev
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Re: Not happy Jan!

2015-04-14 Thread Severin Crisp
I make no claim to being a luddite  but like you, Geoff, Cricket Graph was a 
real winner in older times!  
Severin

 On 15 Apr 2015, at 12:17 pm, Kaye and Geoff k...@kgweb.org.au wrote:
 
 Hi Kevin
 
 On 15/04/2015, at 11:21 AM, Kevin Lock wrote:
 
 Updating to 10.10.3 has lost me the use of Photoshop Elements 6.   
 
 I am turning into a bit of a luddite.A couple of my Macs running 10.6.8 
 run quite nicely thanks.  
 
 
 I am running 10.6.8 as well with no plans to upgrade (not that I could with 
 our internet connection speed - the download would take many many hours and 
 would almost certainly fail before it completed).
 
 I am on Photoshop Elements 4 which does more than I need. I also run an old 
 version of Graphic Converter because the newer version, though compatible, 
 has inexplicably removed some useful features which I regularly use. But then 
 I still pine for Cricket Graph and even the old MacDraw which could handle 
 bitmap and vector graphics together in a way that no current program seems to 
 be able to emulate.
 
 I am obviously a lot of a luddite (we still have at least one machine running 
 7.something plus DOS on a 486).
 
 Geoff
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