Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas
Hi Steve Casting your mind back to the below discussion, I appreciate your suggestion. I've been having a look at the Google Apps pages, but what I'm unclear about, and hoping you or anyone else might be able to enlighten me, is what will Google's Gmail Premier service do for me which I can't achieve via my existing email host NetRegistry? NetRegistry's email plans are here... http://www.netregistry.com.au/email-solutions/compare-email-plans.php The storage capacity is an obvious difference, but I could get round that with keeping the communal email inbox constantly cleared, or increasing the capacity with NetRegistry (presumably they would do so if I paid them more). What's the benefit in involving yet another party (ie. GMail) in the process? My ignorance shining brightly! :-) Cheers, Steven On 20/10/2008, at 5:33 PM, Steve Woods wrote: On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote: I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate email environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of other platforms who would be potentially anywhere). I'm quite familiar with pop email accounts, understand the concept of IMAP (I think). But I haven't really been involved with email servers and the like, which I think is probably what I need. I'm familiar with having a standalone Mac, and popping email from my email host (NetRegistry). However I'm now using mailboxes which I need to allow communal access to - potentially several people accessing the communal mailboxes in the future. I also need to have a system whereby although I set up an indovidual user's personal email account, the business still retains copies of those emails. I imagine I could use NetRegistry and set up an IMAP account, but then I am reliant on a 3rd party entirely, including for storage of our email. I'm not totally comfortable with that. So does this mean I need to set up an email server of our own, with accompanying back up solutions? If so, can someone give me an idea of the hardware software requirements, rough idea of costs? Or does it sound like I need to engage a networking specialist to solve all of my problems? Are there any networking specialists amongst wamug people? (I trust a Mac user's advice! :-) Cheers, Steven Steven, I'd suggest Google Apps for business. Ticks all the boxes in your list - including using your own domain name, archiving of all corporate messages, and IMAP accounts of up to 25GB per user. Price is hard to beat too! http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/messaging.html -- Steve -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas
Hi Steven On Thursday, October 30, 2008, at 08:28AM, Steven Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve Casting your mind back to the below discussion, I appreciate your suggestion. I've been having a look at the Google Apps pages, but what I'm unclear about, and hoping you or anyone else might be able to enlighten me, is what will Google's Gmail Premier service do for me which I can't achieve via my existing email host NetRegistry? NetRegistry's email plans are here... http://www.netregistry.com.au/email-solutions/compare-email-plans.php The storage capacity is an obvious difference, but I could get round that with keeping the communal email inbox constantly cleared, or increasing the capacity with NetRegistry (presumably they would do so if I paid them more). What's the benefit in involving yet another party (ie. GMail) in the process? I think Gmail will work better in your shared mail box scenario - the NetRegistry plans don't mention IMAP (required to have all mailboxes in sync). Gmail has the best spam filtering I've come across, and it works on the server side (so you don't need to download all the spam to your mail client before filtering and deleting it). The Standard Edition Google apps gives you 7GB of storage for free. You're also not tied in to a contract (the netregistry plans all seem to specify 1 year). Sure, you may be giving Google all your trade secrets, but they've probably got them by now anyway :) Anyway, it works for me! The other collaboration features like calendars and Google docs are the real bonus in my usage - I can access everything I need from whatever computer I happen to be on at the time... Regards, Steve On 20/10/2008, at 5:33 PM, Steve Woods wrote: On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote: I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate email environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of other platforms who would be potentially anywhere). I'm quite familiar with pop email accounts, understand the concept of IMAP (I think). But I haven't really been involved with email servers and the like, which I think is probably what I need. I'm familiar with having a standalone Mac, and popping email from my email host (NetRegistry). However I'm now using mailboxes which I need to allow communal access to - potentially several people accessing the communal mailboxes in the future. I also need to have a system whereby although I set up an indovidual user's personal email account, the business still retains copies of those emails. I imagine I could use NetRegistry and set up an IMAP account, but then I am reliant on a 3rd party entirely, including for storage of our email. I'm not totally comfortable with that. So does this mean I need to set up an email server of our own, with accompanying back up solutions? If so, can someone give me an idea of the hardware software requirements, rough idea of costs? Or does it sound like I need to engage a networking specialist to solve all of my problems? Are there any networking specialists amongst wamug people? (I trust a Mac user's advice! :-) Cheers, Steven Steven, I'd suggest Google Apps for business. Ticks all the boxes in your list - including using your own domain name, archiving of all corporate messages, and IMAP accounts of up to 25GB per user. Price is hard to beat too! http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/messaging.html -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas
Morning All, Pending on your Corporate Computer Security planning (intranet, internet or extranet) and laws, I find it very hard to go pass Google as Steve suggested. But be very careful in checking these laws based on your business model and corporate responsibilities. Accessibility from anywhere via any device including mobile, cost factor is extraordinary - FREE. Construction cost zero - time very fast for such a network, as is experience level required. Domains are transferrable, meaning email names are in accordance with your corporate identity. Apps (Calendars, notes, etc) available online, very hard to beat as these are accessible from just about anywhere. Suggestions Google passing on your information I find this statement very pessimistic except to say commissions for what recommended. But if one feels it is an issue introduce a Corporate wide GPG key for email very simple to initiate as all mail clients have some form off. To be frank and honest if your corporate information is of such a secure nature then this should already be in place, as others can leach easier than Google can remove from their servers. Google mail has encrypted mail servers meaning all your mail travels both directions via an encrypted secure port. Further information or ideas please feel free to contact me direct. Cheers! `Rob... 20Oct2008, at 9:33 pm, Steve Woods wrote: On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote: I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate email environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of other platforms who would be potentially anywhere). I'm quite familiar with pop email accounts, understand the concept of IMAP (I think). But I haven't really been involved with email servers and the like, which I think is probably what I need. I'm familiar with having a standalone Mac, and popping email from my email host (NetRegistry). However I'm now using mailboxes which I need to allow communal access to - potentially several people accessing the communal mailboxes in the future. I also need to have a system whereby although I set up an indovidual user's personal email account, the business still retains copies of those emails. I imagine I could use NetRegistry and set up an IMAP account, but then I am reliant on a 3rd party entirely, including for storage of our email. I'm not totally comfortable with that. So does this mean I need to set up an email server of our own, with accompanying back up solutions? If so, can someone give me an idea of the hardware software requirements, rough idea of costs? Or does it sound like I need to engage a networking specialist to solve all of my problems? Are there any networking specialists amongst wamug people? (I trust a Mac user's advice! :-) Cheers, Steven Steven, I'd suggest Google Apps for business. Ticks all the boxes in your list - including using your own domain name, archiving of all corporate messages, and IMAP accounts of up to 25GB per user. Price is hard to beat too! http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/messaging.html -- Steve -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas
To all who have commented (Steve, Rob, Rob, Matthew) - much appreciated. Have been considering your comments closely. And Google certainly sounds like it might be worth a run. I haven't heard anyone come up with a good reason NOT to use Google yet. Thanks again all. Cheers, Steven On 23/10/2008, at 5:55 AM, Rob Davies wrote: Morning All, Pending on your Corporate Computer Security planning (intranet, internet or extranet) and laws, I find it very hard to go pass Google as Steve suggested. But be very careful in checking these laws based on your business model and corporate responsibilities. Accessibility from anywhere via any device including mobile, cost factor is extraordinary - FREE. Construction cost zero - time very fast for such a network, as is experience level required. Domains are transferrable, meaning email names are in accordance with your corporate identity. Apps (Calendars, notes, etc) available online, very hard to beat as these are accessible from just about anywhere. Suggestions Google passing on your information I find this statement very pessimistic except to say commissions for what recommended. But if one feels it is an issue introduce a Corporate wide GPG key for email very simple to initiate as all mail clients have some form off. To be frank and honest if your corporate information is of such a secure nature then this should already be in place, as others can leach easier than Google can remove from their servers. Google mail has encrypted mail servers meaning all your mail travels both directions via an encrypted secure port. Further information or ideas please feel free to contact me direct. Cheers! `Rob... 20Oct2008, at 9:33 pm, Steve Woods wrote: On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote: I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate email environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of other platforms who would be potentially anywhere). I'm quite familiar with pop email accounts, understand the concept of IMAP (I think). But I haven't really been involved with email servers and the like, which I think is probably what I need. I'm familiar with having a standalone Mac, and popping email from my email host (NetRegistry). However I'm now using mailboxes which I need to allow communal access to - potentially several people accessing the communal mailboxes in the future. I also need to have a system whereby although I set up an indovidual user's personal email account, the business still retains copies of those emails. I imagine I could use NetRegistry and set up an IMAP account, but then I am reliant on a 3rd party entirely, including for storage of our email. I'm not totally comfortable with that. So does this mean I need to set up an email server of our own, with accompanying back up solutions? If so, can someone give me an idea of the hardware software requirements, rough idea of costs? Or does it sound like I need to engage a networking specialist to solve all of my problems? Are there any networking specialists amongst wamug people? (I trust a Mac user's advice! :-) Cheers, Steven Steven, I'd suggest Google Apps for business. Ticks all the boxes in your list - including using your own domain name, archiving of all corporate messages, and IMAP accounts of up to 25GB per user. Price is hard to beat too! http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/messaging.html -- Steve -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas
On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote: I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate email environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of other platforms who would be potentially anywhere). I'm quite familiar with pop email accounts, understand the concept of IMAP (I think). But I haven't really been involved with email servers and the like, which I think is probably what I need. I'm familiar with having a standalone Mac, and popping email from my email host (NetRegistry). However I'm now using mailboxes which I need to allow communal access to - potentially several people accessing the communal mailboxes in the future. I also need to have a system whereby although I set up an indovidual user's personal email account, the business still retains copies of those emails. I imagine I could use NetRegistry and set up an IMAP account, but then I am reliant on a 3rd party entirely, including for storage of our email. I'm not totally comfortable with that. So does this mean I need to set up an email server of our own, with accompanying back up solutions? If so, can someone give me an idea of the hardware software requirements, rough idea of costs? Or does it sound like I need to engage a networking specialist to solve all of my problems? Are there any networking specialists amongst wamug people? (I trust a Mac user's advice! :-) Cheers, Steven Steven, I'd suggest Google Apps for business. Ticks all the boxes in your list - including using your own domain name, archiving of all corporate messages, and IMAP accounts of up to 25GB per user. Price is hard to beat too! http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/messaging.html -- Steve -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas
Give me a call if you like Steven. I have set up Mac Mail Servers for many of my clients over the years. The most recent version of Mac OS X Server 10.5.5 provides a robust and mature mail service which includes POP, IMAP, authenticated SMTP and Webmail. IMAP does most of what you require. It's important that the IMAP storage be somewhere secure and backed up. I like to put in on a RAID drive and back up to tape for offsite. I also like to have the server running on powerful iron. A Mac Pro or X-Serve makes a fine mailserver. Of course all this starts adding up in price. With SCSI card and a good tape drive it's easy to spend 10K on a mailserver and I've done that for people with those budgets. The last X-Serve I did with an X- Serve RAID and has been running like a train providing mail for 30 users for 2 years now without a hitch. Only ever gets restarted for software updates and often goes months without a reboot. If your budget doesn't run to that kind of level you can make a perfectly reliable server using a second hand G5 or even a Mac Mini provided it's properly backed up. Call me at Team Digital if you like - 9328 3377 Rob On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote: I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate email environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of other platforms who would be potentially anywhere). I'm quite familiar with pop email accounts, understand the concept of IMAP (I think). But I haven't really been involved with email servers and the like, which I think is probably what I need. I'm familiar with having a standalone Mac, and popping email from my email host (NetRegistry). However I'm now using mailboxes which I need to allow communal access to - potentially several people accessing the communal mailboxes in the future. I also need to have a system whereby although I set up an indovidual user's personal email account, the business still retains copies of those emails. I imagine I could use NetRegistry and set up an IMAP account, but then I am reliant on a 3rd party entirely, including for storage of our email. I'm not totally comfortable with that. So does this mean I need to set up an email server of our own, with accompanying back up solutions? If so, can someone give me an idea of the hardware software requirements, rough idea of costs? Or does it sound like I need to engage a networking specialist to solve all of my problems? Are there any networking specialists amongst wamug people? (I trust a Mac user's advice! :-) Cheers, Steven -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas
On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote: I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate email environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of other platforms who would be potentially anywhere). http://www.kerio.com Kerio Mail Server is pretty much the best thing out there for the price. Plus you have the added benefit of not allowing Google to read all of your confidential information and forward it on to any government department that requests it. - Matt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
