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Here here! I also value the advice and time you both dedicate to WAMUG! Ken Sent from my iPad On 19/06/2012, at 9:44 PM, Jennifer Lefroy lefroy.jenni...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Daniel and Ronni for very clear expositions of what one can and cannot do under differing conditions. It is very helpful to those of us who are less knowledgeable. Regards, Jennifer On 19 June 2012 19:21, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote: Hi People, I was not going to respond to Derek's comments to me for bringing it to his attention and WAMUG members that what he was anticipating doing was contravening software copyright laws. I'm am upset with his attitude towards me, and now towards Daniel. I'm only the messenger here, doing what I do for WAMUG, giving informed and correct information to the group. Derek has put himself and WAMUG in a delicate position. He has again posted on a public mailing list after being warned he was contravening copyright laws and could cause repercussions for WAMUG. As I mentioned previously Apple Reps troll our mailing list quite often. I have had very good feedback from them as they do appreciate what we are doing on our mailing list. We can not appear as a group to condone software piracy of any kind. Daniel and I put in a lot of time to support people on WAMUG mailing list, and only ever give helpful advice and correct information in a very friendly and professional manner. Like Daniel I will not be having anything more to say on this matter. I have done what was the correct and right thing to do and that was inform Derek and members of the legalities. Kind Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 4:30 PM, Daniel Kerr dan...@macwizardry.com.au wrote: -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Ronni Just remove the offending posts, I will remove software from computer before sale, also if I buy a software program, then as far as I'm concerned I own it I will do with it whatever I think fit that includes putting it on as many computers that will allow it to install run. Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:47 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Derek, How I feel has nothing to do with this at all. Software is never sold, Its always licensed! You get a copy of it and a license to use it. This is not new, its the way all proprietary software has been sold since the dawn of personal computing. The law says that anyone who purchases a copy of software has the right to load that copy onto a single computer and to make another copy for archival purposes only or, in limited circumstances, for purposes only of maintenance or repair. It is illegal to use that software on more than one computer or to make or distribute copies of that software for any other purpose unless specific permission has been obtained from the software publisher. If you pirate software, you may face not only a civil suit for damages and other relief, but criminal liability as well, including fines and jail terms. We have Apple Representatives who sometimes read our mailing list as I've been contacted offlist by them on occasion (to help a situation). We would not want them to think we as a group condone breaking copyright laws! Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD
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Hi Daniel, I know the pros cons don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as much as I can as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, then remove the offending posts, remove my permission to post to wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, I'm fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway. Have a good life Regards Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries Apple care protection plan (Never used) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist
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Hi Derek There is no need to take that attitude, the guys were trying to help you . Roger On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi Daniel, I know the pros cons don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as much as I can as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, then remove the offending posts, remove my permission to post to wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, I'm fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway. Have a good life Regards Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger
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Roger, I am sorry,(this is not directed at you personally) but I am 67 years of age, have been around long enough now, to be more than capable of being my own keeper, I don't need anyone else to do it for me, if at any time I feel I need advice, I'm not shy, I will be the first to ask for it. Regards Derek PS To all the group I hope now that the subject will be closed. PPS computer still for sale for $2500 o.n.o On 19/06/2012, at 3:49 PM, Roger Kortas wrote: Hi Derek There is no need to take that attitude, the guys were trying to help you . Roger On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi Daniel, I know the pros cons don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as much as I can as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, then remove the offending posts, remove my permission to post to wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, I'm fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway. Have a good life Regards Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so
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Hi Derek Sorry you feel that way. I wasn't lecturing, I was simply mentioning, and providing info to cover all parties. (buyer and seller). I've had clients who have had problems (and legal issues) with computers they bought themselves through eBay etc purchases with software they believed they owned, but didn't because It was preinstalled and they get didn't serials or software Discs and went to upgrade or reinstall and had issues with the company (Microsoft, Adobe etc). Software companies are more then happy to fine consumers in this area. That was my only reason for mentioning this. To cover all parties (buyer and seller). At the end of day what people choose to do with the info is their choice. It doesn't affect me either way. But I certainly don't lecture, as anyone who knows me can attest to. I've said my piece and don't have anything else to add to it. Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, I know the pros cons don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as much as I can as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, then remove the offending posts, remove my permission to post to wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, I'm fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway. Have a good life Regards Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I
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Daniel, I think you are being very gracious, considering what has been said. I teach the ethics of copyright to my 10 year old's at school. What they then choose to do with that knowledge is then up to them. It's their choice, their life and their future, but at least they have been informed For list members who would like to learn more, here is a good starting point http://www.copyright.org.au/ Regards Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 19/06/2012, at 4:30 pm, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Sorry you feel that way. I wasn't lecturing, I was simply mentioning, and providing info to cover all parties. (buyer and seller). I've had clients who have had problems (and legal issues) with computers they bought themselves through eBay etc purchases with software they believed they owned, but didn't because It was preinstalled and they get didn't serials or software Discs and went to upgrade or reinstall and had issues with the company (Microsoft, Adobe etc). Software companies are more then happy to fine consumers in this area. That was my only reason for mentioning this. To cover all parties (buyer and seller). At the end of day what people choose to do with the info is their choice. It doesn't affect me either way. But I certainly don't lecture, as anyone who knows me can attest to. I've said my piece and don't have anything else to add to it. Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi People, I was not going to respond to Derek's comments to me for bringing it to his attention and WAMUG members that what he was anticipating doing was contravening software copyright laws. I'm am upset with his attitude towards me, and now towards Daniel. I'm only the messenger here, doing what I do for WAMUG, giving informed and correct information to the group. Derek has put himself and WAMUG in a delicate position. He has again posted on a public mailing list after being warned he was contravening copyright laws and could cause repercussions for WAMUG. As I mentioned previously Apple Reps troll our mailing list quite often. I have had very good feedback from them as they do appreciate what we are doing on our mailing list. We can not appear as a group to condone software piracy of any kind. Daniel and I put in a lot of time to support people on WAMUG mailing list, and only ever give helpful advice and correct information in a very friendly and professional manner. Like Daniel I will not be having anything more to say on this matter. I have done what was the correct and right thing to do and that was inform Derek and members of the legalities. Kind Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 4:30 PM, Daniel Kerr dan...@macwizardry.com.au wrote: Hi Derek Sorry you feel that way. I wasn't lecturing, I was simply mentioning, and providing info to cover all parties. (buyer and seller). I've had clients who have had problems (and legal issues) with computers they bought themselves through eBay etc purchases with software they believed they owned, but didn't because It was preinstalled and they get didn't serials or software Discs and went to upgrade or reinstall and had issues with the company (Microsoft, Adobe etc). Software companies are more then happy to fine consumers in this area. That was my only reason for mentioning this. To cover all parties (buyer and seller). At the end of day what people choose to do with the info is their choice. It doesn't affect me either way. But I certainly don't lecture, as anyone who knows me can attest to. I've said my piece and don't have anything else to add to it. Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, I know the pros cons don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as much as I can as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, then remove the offending posts, remove my permission to post to wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, I'm fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway. Have a good life Regards Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting
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Thank you Daniel and Ronni for very clear expositions of what one can and cannot do under differing conditions. It is very helpful to those of us who are less knowledgeable. Regards, Jennifer On 19 June 2012 19:21, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote: Hi People, I was not going to respond to Derek's comments to me for bringing it to his attention and WAMUG members that what he was anticipating doing was contravening software copyright laws. I'm am upset with his attitude towards me, and now towards Daniel. I'm only the messenger here, doing what I do for WAMUG, giving informed and correct information to the group. Derek has put himself and WAMUG in a delicate position. He has again posted on a public mailing list after being warned he was contravening copyright laws and could cause repercussions for WAMUG. As I mentioned previously Apple Reps troll our mailing list quite often. I have had very good feedback from them as they do appreciate what we are doing on our mailing list. We can not appear as a group to condone software piracy of any kind. Daniel and I put in a lot of time to support people on WAMUG mailing list, and only ever give helpful advice and correct information in a very friendly and professional manner. Like Daniel I will not be having anything more to say on this matter. I have done what was the correct and right thing to do and that was inform Derek and members of the legalities. Kind Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 4:30 PM, Daniel Kerr dan...@macwizardry.com.au wrote: Hi Derek Sorry you feel that way. I wasn't lecturing, I was simply mentioning, and providing info to cover all parties. (buyer and seller). I've had clients who have had problems (and legal issues) with computers they bought themselves through eBay etc purchases with software they believed they owned, but didn't because It was preinstalled and they get didn't serials or software Discs and went to upgrade or reinstall and had issues with the company (Microsoft, Adobe etc). Software companies are more then happy to fine consumers in this area. That was my only reason for mentioning this. To cover all parties (buyer and seller). At the end of day what people choose to do with the info is their choice. It doesn't affect me either way. But I certainly don't lecture, as anyone who knows me can attest to. I've said my piece and don't have anything else to add to it. Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, I know the pros cons don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as much as I can as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, then remove the offending posts, remove my permission to post to wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, I'm fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway. Have a good life Regards Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone
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No, :) On 18/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, lynn...@westnet.com.au wrote: hi roger would your comparison price include all the software Derek has mentioned? regards lynn - Original Message - From: Roger Kortas rkor...@iinet.net.au To: wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Monday, 18 June, 2012 12:39:06 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek For a comparison a new 27 iMac with those specs and 16gb is A$ 3,287.00 incl. best regards Roger On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries Apple care protection plan (Never used) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries Apple care protection plan (Never used) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries Apple care protection plan (Never used) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries Apple care protection plan (Never used) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries Apple care protection plan (Never used) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries Apple care protection plan (Never used) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing
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Hi Derek, How I feel has nothing to do with this at all. Software is never sold, Its always licensed! You get a copy of it and a license to use it. This is not new, its the way all proprietary software has been sold since the dawn of personal computing. The law says that anyone who purchases a copy of software has the right to load that copy onto a single computer and to make another copy for archival purposes only or, in limited circumstances, for purposes only of maintenance or repair. It is illegal to use that software on more than one computer or to make or distribute copies of that software for any other purpose unless specific permission has been obtained from the software publisher. If you pirate software, you may face not only a civil suit for damages and other relief, but criminal liability as well, including fines and jail terms. We have Apple Representatives who sometimes read our mailing list as I've been contacted offlist by them on occasion (to help a situation). We would not want them to think we as a group condone breaking copyright laws! Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries Apple care protection plan (Never used) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au
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Hi Derek For a comparison a new 27 iMac with those specs and 16gb is A$ 3,287.00 incl. best regards Roger On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries Apple care protection plan (Never used) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Thanks.Derek On 18/06/2012, at 12:39 PM, Roger Kortas wrote: Hi Derek For a comparison a new 27 iMac with those specs and 16gb is A$ 3,287.00 incl. best regards Roger On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries Apple care protection plan (Never used) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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hi roger would your comparison price include all the software Derek has mentioned? regards lynn - Original Message - From: Roger Kortas rkor...@iinet.net.au To: wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Monday, 18 June, 2012 12:39:06 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek For a comparison a new 27 iMac with those specs and 16gb is A$ 3,287.00 incl. best regards Roger On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries Apple care protection plan (Never used) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
