Re: The West Australian electronic edition

2004-11-03 Thread Rob Phillips

On 02/11/2004, at 5:01 PM, James Devenish wrote:


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on Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 04:50:24PM +0800, Martin Hill wrote:

Am I alone in thinking publishers should charge less not more than
their printed versions for electronic versions of their publications
considering the savings on printing and distribution?


I don't know about periodical news publications in the US, but
international scientific journals often charge almost as much
for the online versions as for the print versions (and combined
print + online subscriptions are 1.7 to 2 times the cost of a
single-medium subscription).


The reason being that the Journals (and Papers) see it as a way to 
increase income, without the extra overheads.




I heard the guy from the West on the radio trying to explain the high 
price.  They were using a very traditional business model. They 
worked out the cost of the expensive e-publishing system they 
purchased, estimated the number of current users who might use the 
service and divided.


What they didn't consider was an alternative business model to serve 
people like us, who might want online access to certain parts of the 
paper at certain times.  This market is potentially much bigger, if 
the price is right, but the West was too shortsighted to see this.


I predict that another business will fill the gap, and the West's 
print circulation will continue to fall.  My 2c.


Cheers
Rob
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The West Australian electronic edition

2004-11-02 Thread Martin Hill
Well, I was pleased to discover that the electronic edition of the West
Australian newspaper seems to mostly work fine on the Mac despite a warning
that Your browser environment is not fully supported.
http://enewspaper.thewest.com.au/daily/client.asp?skin=demo

Just the sort of thing I thought I might like to view wirelessly on my
Powerbook via our airport network at home.

(somewhat off-topic vent follows!)  :-)

However I couldn't believe it when I discovered that it costs 3-4 times the
price of the print version.  ie. $4 to purchase a single electronic edition
or $950 to subscribe for a year. (and that's without the West Magazine etc)

Am I alone in thinking publishers should charge less not more than their
printed versions for electronic versions of their publications considering
the savings on printing and distribution?

Even the New York Times charges almost half the price of the West at US$384
annually (or US$174 for students or educators) for a fully downloadable
version (60MBs per paper, 7 issues a week) which I still think is a bit on
the expensive side of things, but at least is a bit more reasonable.

For comparison Time Magazine charges US$49 for a year's subscription to
their electronic version compared to US$221.20 per year for their printed
versions (56 editions).

I emailed them and the subscriptions manager replied saying:
 Your comments regarding the price of the electronic edition of The West
 Australian are noted, but the aim of the electronic edition is not to
 replace the printed version of the paper.  The aim is to provide a valid
 alternative for those who are beyond the reach of the distribution network
 in place for the printed newspaper.  This includes subscribers in the
 eastern States and overseas, where a single edition can cost upwards of $20.
 In the local market the electronic edition will not appear attractive
 against the printed edition, but in these distant markets we hope that
 subscribers will see it as a very viable option.
 
 I hope that this helps to explain the pricing of the electronic edition.

So they're going for a tiny market at premium prices rather than exploiting
the mass market at more reasonable rates.  *sigh*

I guess I'll just go back to reading the multiplicity of free news sources
out on the internet and forget about getting a bit more local news and
features. (editorial biases not withstanding!)

-Mart

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Re: The West Australian electronic edition

2004-11-02 Thread James Devenish
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 04:50:24PM +0800, Martin Hill wrote:
 Am I alone in thinking publishers should charge less not more than
 their printed versions for electronic versions of their publications
 considering the savings on printing and distribution?

I don't know about periodical news publications in the US, but
international scientific journals often charge almost as much
for the online versions as for the print versions (and combined
print + online subscriptions are 1.7 to 2 times the cost of a
single-medium subscription).




Re: The West Australian electronic edition

2004-11-02 Thread Matthew Healey

On 02/11/2004, at 5:01 PM, James Devenish wrote:


In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 04:50:24PM +0800, Martin Hill wrote:

Am I alone in thinking publishers should charge less not more than
their printed versions for electronic versions of their publications
considering the savings on printing and distribution?


I don't know about periodical news publications in the US, but
international scientific journals often charge almost as much
for the online versions as for the print versions (and combined
print + online subscriptions are 1.7 to 2 times the cost of a
single-medium subscription).


The reason being that the Journals (and Papers) see it as a way to 
increase income, without the extra overheads.


- Matt