Re: [Warzone-dev] Fwd: [Warzone-commits] r1422 - /trunk/ChangeLog

2007-06-02 Thread Dennis Schridde
Am Samstag, 2. Juni 2007 schrieb Jose Ivey:
> Dennis Schridde wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 1. Juni 2007 schrieb Roman:
> >> On 5/31/07, Dennis Schridde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2007 schrieb Roman:
>  Roman wrote:
> > (Kreuvf, I warn you I spit far and kick painfully :P), but nm, maybe
> 
>  I once met a camel like that...
> >>>
> >>> I once met a human who eventually decided to use a more appropriate
> >>> place for his stories about all the exciting animals he met in his
> >>> life, rather than a WZ mailinglist.
> >>
> >> Are you talking about Jocke? *g*
> >>
> >> --Dennis
> >>
> >> I once met a human who believes in the divinity of an exotic animal:
> >> "on my alpaca"
> >>
> >> back to topic:
> >> should be inform Kreuvf about the changes?I think he is one of the most
> >> acknowledgaeble member of the 'old' warzone community,and he has been
> >> following this project since the very beginning?,so there is no need to
> >> hide the changes from him imo.
> >>
> >>
> >> Of course we shouldn't hide anything from anyone and no one is doing it.
> >> ;) You must have misunderstood something.
> >>
> >> As for the balance changes, they are long due, as another old-timer I
> >> know this very well (and that's just obvious). I think Kreuvf will fully
> >> agree. What could be controversial is the question of how exactly to
> >> tweak the unbalanced technology.
> >
> > Sorry for bringing this up again...
> > I think when we don't update the ChangeLog immediately after the change,
> > no one will remember that something changed and neither will anyone go
> > through the whole commitlog again to find out whether some stats where
> > changed.
> >
> > Additionaly we should reject not constructive criticism by replying
> > "WIP". I think that can safe us from the worst balancing-flamewars.
> > And if someone has something constructive to say, I think we should
> > listen, but also keep in mind that balancing is determined by measuring
> > the average game-experience of the average gamer over a reasonable long
> > amount of time while taking all units, structures, etc. into acount.
> >
> > So what about reverting the revert?
> >
> > --Dennis
>
> Just to clarify: you are talking about reversing the changelog revert,
Yes. Allready done by Troman in r1433, btw.


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Re: [Warzone-dev] Fwd: [Warzone-commits] r1422 - /trunk/ChangeLog

2007-06-02 Thread Roman


> Am Freitag, 1. Juni 2007 schrieb Roman:
>> On 5/31/07, Dennis Schridde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2007 schrieb Roman:
>> > > Roman wrote:
>> > >> (Kreuvf, I warn you I spit far and kick painfully :P), but nm, maybe
>> > >
>> > > I once met a camel like that...
>> >
>> > I once met a human who eventually decided to use a more appropriate place
>> > for his stories about all the exciting animals he met in his life, rather
>> > than a WZ mailinglist.

>> Are you talking about Jocke? *g*

>> --Dennis

>> I once met a human who believes in the divinity of an exotic animal:
>> "on my alpaca"

>> back to topic:
>> should be inform Kreuvf about the changes?I think he is one of the most
>> acknowledgaeble member of the 'old' warzone community,and he has been
>> following this project since the very beginning?,so there is no need to
>> hide the changes from him imo.


>> Of course we shouldn't hide anything from anyone and no one is doing it. ;)
>> You must have misunderstood something.

>> As for the balance changes, they are long due, as another old-timer I know
>> this very well (and that's just obvious). I think Kreuvf will fully agree.
>> What could be controversial is the question of how exactly to tweak the
>> unbalanced technology.
> Sorry for bringing this up again...
> I think when we don't update the ChangeLog immediately after the change, no
> one will remember that something changed and neither will anyone go through
> the whole commitlog again to find out whether some stats where changed.

> Additionaly we should reject not constructive criticism by replying "WIP".
> I think that can safe us from the worst balancing-flamewars.
> And if someone has something constructive to say, I think we should listen,
> but also keep in mind that balancing is determined by measuring the average
> game-experience of the average gamer over a reasonable long amount of time
> while taking all units, structures, etc. into acount.

> So what about reverting the revert?

I just did.

I was actually going to make more balancing changes and finish it this week and 
then update the ChangeLog (in case if we had no flamewars about the changes), 
but I was way too busy with my study.

> --Dennis


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Re: [Warzone-dev] Fwd: [Warzone-commits] r1422 - /trunk/ChangeLog

2007-06-02 Thread Jose Ivey
Dennis Schridde wrote:
> Am Freitag, 1. Juni 2007 schrieb Roman:
>> On 5/31/07, Dennis Schridde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2007 schrieb Roman:
 Roman wrote:
> (Kreuvf, I warn you I spit far and kick painfully :P), but nm, maybe
 I once met a camel like that...
>>> I once met a human who eventually decided to use a more appropriate place
>>> for his stories about all the exciting animals he met in his life, rather
>>> than a WZ mailinglist.
>> Are you talking about Jocke? *g*
>>
>> --Dennis
>>
>> I once met a human who believes in the divinity of an exotic animal:
>> "on my alpaca"
>>
>> back to topic:
>> should be inform Kreuvf about the changes?I think he is one of the most
>> acknowledgaeble member of the 'old' warzone community,and he has been
>> following this project since the very beginning?,so there is no need to
>> hide the changes from him imo.
>>
>>
>> Of course we shouldn't hide anything from anyone and no one is doing it. ;)
>> You must have misunderstood something.
>>
>> As for the balance changes, they are long due, as another old-timer I know
>> this very well (and that's just obvious). I think Kreuvf will fully agree.
>> What could be controversial is the question of how exactly to tweak the
>> unbalanced technology.
> Sorry for bringing this up again...
> I think when we don't update the ChangeLog immediately after the change, no 
> one will remember that something changed and neither will anyone go through 
> the whole commitlog again to find out whether some stats where changed.
> 
> Additionaly we should reject not constructive criticism by replying "WIP".
> I think that can safe us from the worst balancing-flamewars.
> And if someone has something constructive to say, I think we should listen, 
> but also keep in mind that balancing is determined by measuring the average 
> game-experience of the average gamer over a reasonable long amount of time 
> while taking all units, structures, etc. into acount.
> 
> So what about reverting the revert?
> 
> --Dennis
> 
Just to clarify: you are talking about reversing the changelog revert, 
NOT the actual balance changes, which are still in place from the patch, 
correct?


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Re: [Warzone-dev] Fwd: [Warzone-commits] r1422 - /trunk/ChangeLog

2007-06-02 Thread Dennis Schridde
Am Freitag, 1. Juni 2007 schrieb Roman:
> On 5/31/07, Dennis Schridde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2007 schrieb Roman:
> > > Roman wrote:
> > >> (Kreuvf, I warn you I spit far and kick painfully :P), but nm, maybe
> > >
> > > I once met a camel like that...
> >
> > I once met a human who eventually decided to use a more appropriate place
> > for his stories about all the exciting animals he met in his life, rather
> > than a WZ mailinglist.
>
> Are you talking about Jocke? *g*
>
> --Dennis
>
> I once met a human who believes in the divinity of an exotic animal:
> "on my alpaca"
>
> back to topic:
> should be inform Kreuvf about the changes?I think he is one of the most
> acknowledgaeble member of the 'old' warzone community,and he has been
> following this project since the very beginning?,so there is no need to
> hide the changes from him imo.
>
>
> Of course we shouldn't hide anything from anyone and no one is doing it. ;)
> You must have misunderstood something.
>
> As for the balance changes, they are long due, as another old-timer I know
> this very well (and that's just obvious). I think Kreuvf will fully agree.
> What could be controversial is the question of how exactly to tweak the
> unbalanced technology.
Sorry for bringing this up again...
I think when we don't update the ChangeLog immediately after the change, no 
one will remember that something changed and neither will anyone go through 
the whole commitlog again to find out whether some stats where changed.

Additionaly we should reject not constructive criticism by replying "WIP".
I think that can safe us from the worst balancing-flamewars.
And if someone has something constructive to say, I think we should listen, 
but also keep in mind that balancing is determined by measuring the average 
game-experience of the average gamer over a reasonable long amount of time 
while taking all units, structures, etc. into acount.

So what about reverting the revert?

--Dennis


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Re: [Warzone-dev] Fwd: [Warzone-commits] r1422 - /trunk/ChangeLog

2007-06-01 Thread Roman


>



On 5/31/07, Dennis Schridde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2007 schrieb Roman:
> > Roman wrote:
> >> (Kreuvf, I warn you I spit far and kick painfully :P), but nm, maybe 
> >
> > I once met a camel like that...
>
> I once met a human who eventually decided to use a more appropriate place
> for his stories about all the exciting animals he met in his life, rather 
> than a WZ mailinglist.
Are you talking about Jocke? *g*

--Dennis
 
I once met a human who believes in the divinity of an exotic animal:
"on my alpaca" 

back to topic:
should be inform Kreuvf about the changes?I think he is one of the most 
acknowledgaeble member of the 'old' warzone community,and he has been following 
this project since the very beginning?,so there is no need to hide the changes 
from him imo. 


Of course we shouldn't hide anything from anyone and no one is doing it. ;) You 
must have misunderstood something.

As for the balance changes, they are long due, as another old-timer I know this 
very well (and that's just obvious). I think Kreuvf will fully agree. What 
could be controversial is the question of how exactly to tweak the unbalanced 
technology.

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Re: [Warzone-dev] Fwd: [Warzone-commits] r1422 - /trunk/ChangeLog

2007-06-01 Thread The Watermelon

On 5/31/07, Dennis Schridde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2007 schrieb Roman:
> > Roman wrote:
> >> (Kreuvf, I warn you I spit far and kick painfully :P), but nm, maybe
> >
> > I once met a camel like that...
>
> I once met a human who eventually decided to use a more appropriate
place
> for his stories about all the exciting animals he met in his life,
rather
> than a WZ mailinglist.
Are you talking about Jocke? *g*

--Dennis



I once met a human who believes in the divinity of an exotic animal:
"on my alpaca"

back to topic:
should be inform Kreuvf about the changes?I think he is one of the most
acknowledgaeble member of the 'old' warzone community,and he has been
following this project since the very beginning?,so there is no need to hide
the changes from him imo.
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Re: [Warzone-dev] Fwd: [Warzone-commits] r1422 - /trunk/ChangeLog

2007-05-31 Thread Dennis Schridde
Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2007 schrieb Roman:
> > Roman wrote:
> >> (Kreuvf, I warn you I spit far and kick painfully :P), but nm, maybe
> >
> > I once met a camel like that...
>
> I once met a human who eventually decided to use a more appropriate place
> for his stories about all the exciting animals he met in his life, rather
> than a WZ mailinglist.
Are you talking about Jocke? *g*

--Dennis


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Re: [Warzone-dev] Fwd: [Warzone-commits] r1422 - /trunk/ChangeLog

2007-05-31 Thread Roman



> Roman wrote:

>> (Kreuvf, I warn you I spit far and kick painfully :P), but nm, maybe 

> I once met a camel like that...

I once met a human who eventually decided to use a more appropriate place for 
his stories about all the exciting animals he met in his life, rather than a WZ 
mailinglist.


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Re: [Warzone-dev] Fwd: [Warzone-commits] r1422 - /trunk/ChangeLog

2007-05-31 Thread Dennis Schridde
Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2007 schrieb Roman:
> > Author: devurandom
> > Date: Thu May 31 12:57:39 2007
> > New Revision: 1422
> >
> > URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/warzone?rev=1422&view=rev
> > Log:
> > Added Troman's balacing changes from r1420 to the ChangeLog. (I.e. Kreuvf
> > might be interested.)
>
> "I.e. Kreuvf might be interested" - that's exactly the reason why I didn't
> want to update ChangeLog yet. If some discussion will start there's a
> chance we'll modify balancing several times if not even revert
Ok, I'll revert then and hope no one saw it.

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Re: [Warzone-dev] Fwd: [Warzone-commits] r1422 - /trunk/ChangeLog

2007-05-31 Thread Jose Ivey


Roman wrote:

> (Kreuvf, I warn you I spit far and kick painfully :P), but nm, maybe 

I once met a camel like that...

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[Warzone-dev] Fwd: [Warzone-commits] r1422 - /trunk/ChangeLog

2007-05-31 Thread Roman


> Author: devurandom
> Date: Thu May 31 12:57:39 2007
> New Revision: 1422

> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/warzone?rev=1422&view=rev
> Log:
> Added Troman's balacing changes from r1420 to the ChangeLog. (I.e. Kreuvf 
> might be interested.)

"I.e. Kreuvf might be interested" - that's exactly the reason why I didn't want 
to update ChangeLog yet. If some discussion will start there's a chance we'll 
modify balancing several times if not even revert (Kreuvf, I warn you I spit 
far and kick painfully :P), but nm, maybe it's better to add those now, so we 
won't forget.

> Modified:
> trunk/ChangeLog


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