[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] Develop for IE!!
--- Bj wrote: --- : Have you tried it, Stephen? It didn't work in IE6 for me Nope. I defer to your experience. - Stephen Caudill http://www.mechavox.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] Develop for IE!!
I feel your pain. I've given up supporting NN 4.x as long as the site degrades gracefully enough that it can still be used even if it means 2 stylesheets. One for NN 4.x limited to CSS 1 format info and another for everyone else. I've even used that method to hide things from NN that would cause it to choke, usually positioning. That's the closest to using hacks I go then NN 4.x users get a basic page that they can use and I don't waste bandwidth trying to get everything to look exactly the same. Nice thing about using the standards and validating against them means that future browsers will honor and display the tags valid in the listed doctype. Which is why using a doctype is important. That way if something is depreciated in later versions (aka target="") if you reference a doctype where it is valid it will still work. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer MS-MVP-FrontPage www.wiserways.com mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 713.353.0139 Office -Original Message- From: Furry, Tim Tim wonders: I'm not convinced anything standards compliant will work in future browsers. A heck of a lot of stuff that works in NN4.7 doesn't work in NN6 or 7, and I've gathered that some stuff that works in IE<6 doesn't work in 6 (although I've not confirmed that). The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] Develop for IE!!
- Original Message - From: "Stephen Caudill" > The nowrap attribute and have been > replaced in xhtml by the CSS property > "whitespace". In the non-breaking hyphenated > word example it would work like: Some paragraph text that is supposed to wrap and a word like X-Windows that you don't want to have a line break inside Have you tried it, Stephen? It didn't work in IE6 for me Fine in a div I'm sure, but no effect in a span, seems to me, as I said to Rudy word wrapping is a block level kind of thing. Nothing to do with where a browwser decides to put a line break. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] Develop for IE!!
--- Furry, Tim wrote: --- : Just like the : tag discussed awhile back - it should have been in the : standard but it's not, and there's no other good solution for it : using standards that I'm aware of (but I don't know everything). The nowrap attribute and have been replaced in xhtml by the CSS property "whitespace". In the non-breaking hyphenated word example it would work like: Some pasragraph text that is supposed to wrap and a word like X-Windows that you don't want to have a line break inside - Stephen Caudill http://www.mechavox.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] Develop for IE!!
Matt wrote: > If it works in Mozilla and validates, then I know > it is standards compliant, and it will work in future browsers. Ross replied: Validation is the key (as also pointed out by Amanda) Tim wonders: I'm not convinced anything standards compliant will work in future browsers. A heck of a lot of stuff that works in NN4.7 doesn't work in NN6 or 7, and I've gathered that some stuff that works in IE<6 doesn't work in 6 (although I've not confirmed that). The problem with the whole W3C thing is that it's retroactive - browsers come out with features, and after awhile the features end up in the standard. That's fine while a technology is developing, but killer once the tech matures. Just like the tag discussed awhile back - it should have been in the standard but it's not, and there's no other good solution for it using standards that I'm aware of (but I don't know everything). What if a new standard version drops support for more "deprecated" tags and/or CSS? It's not like it hasn't happened before. Now that we're in the flux created by the interesting combination of no more development on the world's most common browser (IE), there's a vacuum being created that will probably bring other more standards-compliant browsers up in the market. Will IE die? I doubt it - NN4.7 is still around. So we'll just have an even more diverse pot of browsers to test and work around, each with their associated quirks. I'm sorry, in my dictionary "standards" means that it works everywhere (i.e. a 15" tire will *always* mount on a 15" wheel, a 1/2" pipe thread will always fit a 1/2" pipe thread, and both have been happening for 50 years), no hacks required. We're not there yet. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
