[web2py] Developers
Hi are there any programmers in Australia looking for work -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/web2py/157d048d-99b9-4ff4-bae0-38c1712e4aaen%40googlegroups.com.
[web2py] Re: Just a silly thread to say... thanks to all web2py developers team
I agree! And this 'me too' will keep this thread on the top :-) On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 1:42:10 AM UTC-8, Jaime Sempere wrote: > > Hi, > > this is gonna sound a littile silly, but I have been wanting to publish a > thread like this from years ago. > > I just wanna say to Massimo and all the web2py developers one thing: > thanks. Thanks a lot. > > I love web2py and I enjoy programming and developing with it. > > I can notice all the effort and all the work you have made to create a > super simple, easy, fun, and good programmed framework like web2py. > > Everytime I need to develop a new personal project, I always choose web2py > if I can. > > I see magic and simplicity in every aspect of web2py. I could not imagine > a quicker framework than web2py. > > And everytime I need to do something new, when I look to the book, I > always find a very easy and simple way to do it. And that's something I > love: I find that you have worked a lot to build something simple and > powerful. Programming should be like that: simple, non verbose, and fun. > Like 'just focus on the logic and forget about verbose, and extra code, or > anything too complicated'... keep it simple, stupid! > > And the integrations that you have made possible with GAE or Heroku... oh > come on, someone gives these guys a medal! > > Or any time that I need to make a customization, or touch anything from > the core, I always think to myself: 'this is perfectly programmed, this is > exactly how I would develop it', it is like web2py read my mind or if it > had same way of thinking as me. > > I find magic and roids in every aspect of web2py. > > And by the way, vim and web2py make a wonderful team. I feel like a super > fanatic boy of both of them... > > Well I do not know if this sounds too foolish, but I just want to say to > all the members that made and make web2py a solid framework that: thanks, > my respects and keep making this framework a reality. > > Plus, this group is wonderful support. > > Well, that's enough, maybe this can sound awkward or a typical fan-boy > thread... but for a last time, thanks to all of you. > > Jaime > -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[web2py] Re: Just a silly thread to say... thanks to all web2py developers team
I cannot agree more. Web2py is so easy to use, and the support here is so genuine, friendly and patient. I wish the developers all the best! On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 1:42:10 AM UTC-8, Jaime Sempere wrote: > > Hi, > > this is gonna sound a littile silly, but I have been wanting to publish a > thread like this from years ago. > > I just wanna say to Massimo and all the web2py developers one thing: > thanks. Thanks a lot. > > I love web2py and I enjoy programming and developing with it. > > I can notice all the effort and all the work you have made to create a > super simple, easy, fun, and good programmed framework like web2py. > > Everytime I need to develop a new personal project, I always choose web2py > if I can. > > I see magic and simplicity in every aspect of web2py. I could not imagine > a quicker framework than web2py. > > And everytime I need to do something new, when I look to the book, I > always find a very easy and simple way to do it. And that's something I > love: I find that you have worked a lot to build something simple and > powerful. Programming should be like that: simple, non verbose, and fun. > Like 'just focus on the logic and forget about verbose, and extra code, or > anything too complicated'... keep it simple, stupid! > > And the integrations that you have made possible with GAE or Heroku... oh > come on, someone gives these guys a medal! > > Or any time that I need to make a customization, or touch anything from > the core, I always think to myself: 'this is perfectly programmed, this is > exactly how I would develop it', it is like web2py read my mind or if it > had same way of thinking as me. > > I find magic and roids in every aspect of web2py. > > And by the way, vim and web2py make a wonderful team. I feel like a super > fanatic boy of both of them... > > Well I do not know if this sounds too foolish, but I just want to say to > all the members that made and make web2py a solid framework that: thanks, > my respects and keep making this framework a reality. > > Plus, this group is wonderful support. > > Well, that's enough, maybe this can sound awkward or a typical fan-boy > thread... but for a last time, thanks to all of you. > > Jaime > -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[web2py] Re: Just a silly thread to say... thanks to all web2py developers team
I couldn't agree more. web2py is an excellent web framework. I always use it for both personal and business stuff. Thanks a lot Massimo and all the contributors! I promise I will be contributing in everything I can. El viernes, 9 de febrero de 2018, 6:42:10 (UTC-3), Jaime Sempere escribió: > > Hi, > > this is gonna sound a littile silly, but I have been wanting to publish a > thread like this from years ago. > > I just wanna say to Massimo and all the web2py developers one thing: > thanks. Thanks a lot. > > I love web2py and I enjoy programming and developing with it. > > I can notice all the effort and all the work you have made to create a > super simple, easy, fun, and good programmed framework like web2py. > > Everytime I need to develop a new personal project, I always choose web2py > if I can. > > I see magic and simplicity in every aspect of web2py. I could not imagine > a quicker framework than web2py. > > And everytime I need to do something new, when I look to the book, I > always find a very easy and simple way to do it. And that's something I > love: I find that you have worked a lot to build something simple and > powerful. Programming should be like that: simple, non verbose, and fun. > Like 'just focus on the logic and forget about verbose, and extra code, or > anything too complicated'... keep it simple, stupid! > > And the integrations that you have made possible with GAE or Heroku... oh > come on, someone gives these guys a medal! > > Or any time that I need to make a customization, or touch anything from > the core, I always think to myself: 'this is perfectly programmed, this is > exactly how I would develop it', it is like web2py read my mind or if it > had same way of thinking as me. > > I find magic and roids in every aspect of web2py. > > And by the way, vim and web2py make a wonderful team. I feel like a super > fanatic boy of both of them... > > Well I do not know if this sounds too foolish, but I just want to say to > all the members that made and make web2py a solid framework that: thanks, > my respects and keep making this framework a reality. > > Plus, this group is wonderful support. > > Well, that's enough, maybe this can sound awkward or a typical fan-boy > thread... but for a last time, thanks to all of you. > > Jaime > -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[web2py] Re: Just a silly thread to say... thanks to all web2py developers team
Well. thank you. It means a lot to all of us. On Friday, 9 February 2018 03:42:10 UTC-6, Jaime Sempere wrote: > > Hi, > > this is gonna sound a littile silly, but I have been wanting to publish a > thread like this from years ago. > > I just wanna say to Massimo and all the web2py developers one thing: > thanks. Thanks a lot. > > I love web2py and I enjoy programming and developing with it. > > I can notice all the effort and all the work you have made to create a > super simple, easy, fun, and good programmed framework like web2py. > > Everytime I need to develop a new personal project, I always choose web2py > if I can. > > I see magic and simplicity in every aspect of web2py. I could not imagine > a quicker framework than web2py. > > And everytime I need to do something new, when I look to the book, I > always find a very easy and simple way to do it. And that's something I > love: I find that you have worked a lot to build something simple and > powerful. Programming should be like that: simple, non verbose, and fun. > Like 'just focus on the logic and forget about verbose, and extra code, or > anything too complicated'... keep it simple, stupid! > > And the integrations that you have made possible with GAE or Heroku... oh > come on, someone gives these guys a medal! > > Or any time that I need to make a customization, or touch anything from > the core, I always think to myself: 'this is perfectly programmed, this is > exactly how I would develop it', it is like web2py read my mind or if it > had same way of thinking as me. > > I find magic and roids in every aspect of web2py. > > And by the way, vim and web2py make a wonderful team. I feel like a super > fanatic boy of both of them... > > Well I do not know if this sounds too foolish, but I just want to say to > all the members that made and make web2py a solid framework that: thanks, > my respects and keep making this framework a reality. > > Plus, this group is wonderful support. > > Well, that's enough, maybe this can sound awkward or a typical fan-boy > thread... but for a last time, thanks to all of you. > > Jaime > -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[web2py] Just a silly thread to say... thanks to all web2py developers team
Hi, this is gonna sound a littile silly, but I have been wanting to publish a thread like this from years ago. I just wanna say to Massimo and all the web2py developers one thing: thanks. Thanks a lot. I love web2py and I enjoy programming and developing with it. I can notice all the effort and all the work you have made to create a super simple, easy, fun, and good programmed framework for web2py. Everytime I need to develop a new personal project, I always choose web2py if I can. I see magic and simplicity in every aspect of web2py. I could not imagine a quicker framework than web2py. And everytime I need to do something new, when I look to the book, I always find a very easy and simple way to do it. And that's something I love: I find that you have worked a lot to build something simple and powerful. Programming should be like that: simple, non verbose, and fun. And by the way, vim and web2py make a wonderful team. I feel like a super fanatic boy of both of them... Well I do not know if this sounds too foolish, but I just want to say to all the members that made and make web2py a solid framework that: thanks, my respects and keep making this framework a reality. Plus, this group is wonderful support. Well, that's enough. For a last time, thanks to all of you. Jaime -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[web2py] Can someone approve my messages on web2py-developers
Can someone approve me to post web2py-developers and at least approve my last message? I have posted some long stuff there that it took me some time to write. -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [web2py] Developers/contributors guidelines?
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Re: [web2py] Developers/contributors guidelines?
I'll reply here, Massimo can chime in and correct me at will. There are 2 main repo, one on google code, the other one in github. Massimo keep both in sync all times (a few glitches here and there pop up but those count as exceptions (e.g. at most once a month) and are fixed ASAP). Until a few months back, if you wanted to contribute you'd pick the trunk version, do your own things and send a patch via email to Massimo. He applies those patches generally within a week (if not the same day). If you have an issue, you can as well open an issue on google code and attach a patch. Now that the github repo is being used for a while (and has CI hooked up) the best way is to fork the github trunk, open a feature branch on your repo, do your own things, possibly squelch commits messages, open a Pull Request and wait for it to be merged (here too, if not within the day, in a week at top). If they are ready to be merged (i.e. you make sure the patch can be merged as a fast-forward one) bonus points. If your PR includes tests (see gluon/tests) you get additional bonus points :-P. Then you maintain your own fork in sync with the upstream master, think about another feature (or issue to be fixed), spawn another branch from master, and reopen another PR. If a guide is needed I can provide the steps to be a good web2py contributor using git on github. Niphlod -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [web2py] Developers/contributors guidelines?
nice, niphlod, could you provide the steps? last time, i couldn't do it via github, and send the files directly to massimo. thanks and best regards On Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:32:12 PM UTC+7, Niphlod wrote: I'll reply here, Massimo can chime in and correct me at will. There are 2 main repo, one on google code, the other one in github. Massimo keep both in sync all times (a few glitches here and there pop up but those count as exceptions (e.g. at most once a month) and are fixed ASAP). Until a few months back, if you wanted to contribute you'd pick the trunk version, do your own things and send a patch via email to Massimo. He applies those patches generally within a week (if not the same day). If you have an issue, you can as well open an issue on google code and attach a patch. Now that the github repo is being used for a while (and has CI hooked up) the best way is to fork the github trunk, open a feature branch on your repo, do your own things, possibly squelch commits messages, open a Pull Request and wait for it to be merged (here too, if not within the day, in a week at top). If they are ready to be merged (i.e. you make sure the patch can be merged as a fast-forward one) bonus points. If your PR includes tests (see gluon/tests) you get additional bonus points :-P. Then you maintain your own fork in sync with the upstream master, think about another feature (or issue to be fixed), spawn another branch from master, and reopen another PR. If a guide is needed I can provide the steps to be a good web2py contributor using git on github. Niphlod -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Developers/contributors guidelines?
Hi all, I have looked for some information on how web2py is developed and maintained, I found some bits of info here and there but no single document on the topic, hence I am proposing for one to be created, making web2py more open to contributors, especially making it easier for casual ones. Some projects have a file on the top level directory with this info, along with README, LICENSE, VERSION, etc., I don't think there is a standard for that, some projects call it HACKING, some README.Hacking, linux kernel is very complete in this regard and has a several files: MAINTAINERS REPORTING-BUGS Documentation/BUG-HUNTING Documentation/CodingStyle Documentation/HOWTO Documentation/ManagementStyle Documentation/SecurityBugs Documentation/SubmitChecklist Documentation/SubmittingDrivers Documentation/SubmittingPatches Of course that would be an overkill for a project of this size but taking a look into those files can provide a good insight of what I am talking about, especially the HOWTO. I think the first question this file should answer is Where do I start?. Without such a file, the first thing I did was looking at web2py website, there is no developers section, but there is a Contributors one, looking there there is a list of contributors and an agreement to be signed. OK, even if I sign it, what's next? Not much else on the section. Going on with the exploration of the website, on the Documents section there is nothing on this topic either. On the Download section there is a clue, there is Developers column on the download where there are links for two repositories, one on github and a mercurial one on google code and a link to report bugs also on google code. Hum, getting closer, I know where I can submit bug-reports at least. Looking at the project page on google code there is nothing on the Wiki or Home section either. So I get two repos and some questions: Should I use git or the mercurial one? Or it doesn't matter? Do they get in sync? If so, how often? Which repo/version/branch should I use to base patches on? Where should I submit patches? Mailing list? Issues tracker? A pull on github? Where is the official trunk? Is there a process of patch submission/review? Is there any specific convention or style should I follow? Do you guys think it would be valuable to have a file with this info? I would certainly appreciate it as I hope in the future start to contribute, it wouldn't need to be anything fancy, just a couple paragraphs with directions for starters. I took a quick look to see what the Django Project had on this and they have quite a comprehensive documentation for developers, to the point they have a dedicated domain for it, code.djangoproject.com, with a lot of useful information. Some examples from there are worth taking a look: Django source-code repository, wiki and bug-report system https://code.djangoproject.com/ Getting the code Browsing the code online Getting involved Tickets Little, easy improvements Easy Pickings Tickets How to report security issues. DjangoDesign Branches Descriptions of major changes to the codebase Under discussion More Django resources How to contribute to Django https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.5/internals/contributing/ Advice for new contributors First steps Guidelines FAQ Writing code Coding style Unit tests Submitting patches Working with Git and GitHub Fabiano. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [web2py] Developers/contributors guidelines?
I like the idea. On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Fabiano Engler fabianoeng...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have looked for some information on how web2py is developed and maintained, I found some bits of info here and there but no single document on the topic, hence I am proposing for one to be created, making web2py more open to contributors, especially making it easier for casual ones. Some projects have a file on the top level directory with this info, along with README, LICENSE, VERSION, etc., I don't think there is a standard for that, some projects call it HACKING, some README.Hacking, linux kernel is very complete in this regard and has a several files: MAINTAINERS REPORTING-BUGS Documentation/BUG-HUNTING Documentation/CodingStyle Documentation/HOWTO Documentation/ManagementStyle Documentation/SecurityBugs Documentation/SubmitChecklist Documentation/SubmittingDrivers Documentation/SubmittingPatches Of course that would be an overkill for a project of this size but taking a look into those files can provide a good insight of what I am talking about, especially the HOWTO. I think the first question this file should answer is Where do I start?. Without such a file, the first thing I did was looking at web2py website, there is no developers section, but there is a Contributors one, looking there there is a list of contributors and an agreement to be signed. OK, even if I sign it, what's next? Not much else on the section. Going on with the exploration of the website, on the Documents section there is nothing on this topic either. On the Download section there is a clue, there is Developers column on the download where there are links for two repositories, one on github and a mercurial one on google code and a link to report bugs also on google code. Hum, getting closer, I know where I can submit bug-reports at least. Looking at the project page on google code there is nothing on the Wiki or Home section either. So I get two repos and some questions: Should I use git or the mercurial one? Or it doesn't matter? Do they get in sync? If so, how often? Which repo/version/branch should I use to base patches on? Where should I submit patches? Mailing list? Issues tracker? A pull on github? Where is the official trunk? Is there a process of patch submission/review? Is there any specific convention or style should I follow? Do you guys think it would be valuable to have a file with this info? I would certainly appreciate it as I hope in the future start to contribute, it wouldn't need to be anything fancy, just a couple paragraphs with directions for starters. I took a quick look to see what the Django Project had on this and they have quite a comprehensive documentation for developers, to the point they have a dedicated domain for it, code.djangoproject.com, with a lot of useful information. Some examples from there are worth taking a look: Django source-code repository, wiki and bug-report system https://code.djangoproject.com/ Getting the code Browsing the code online Getting involved Tickets Little, easy improvements Easy Pickings Tickets How to report security issues. DjangoDesign Branches Descriptions of major changes to the codebase Under discussion More Django resources How to contribute to Django https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.5/internals/contributing/ Advice for new contributors First steps Guidelines FAQ Writing code Coding style Unit tests Submitting patches Working with Git and GitHub Fabiano. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Developers - Vancouver, BC area
Hi, Are there any developers located in BC looking for employment, full time or project work? We are going to be migrating an application already making good money from pyramid to web2py. Reasons: Web2py is easier to learn, provides a lot of functionality we have been writing from scratch, and has one fail point (whereas pyramid you need to track down many different opensource projects to get help). -- -- Regards, Bruce Wade http://ca.linkedin.com/in/brucelwade http://www.wadecybertech.com http://www.warplydesigned.com http://www.fitnessfriendsfinder.com
[web2py] Re: Fwd: web2py developers list
In the oven: http://www.techfuel.net/zblog/blog/view/26 On Mar 22, 12:00 pm, Massimo Di Pierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: We need a web site to do this: - allow people to register as web2py developers, web2py clients, web2py sponsors - everybody can post a profile - clients can rate the developers - developers can rate other developers (is this a good idea?) - clients can look for developers - developers can connect to sponsors to develop their pet projects I can host it. Can you help develop it? Begin forwarded message: From: Massimo Di Pierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu Date: March 22, 2010 1:49:47 PM CDT To: Álvaro Justen alv...@justen.eng.br Cc: Massimo Di Pierro massimodipierr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: web2py developers list On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Álvaro Justen wrote: Hi Massimo, I'm not at Peta5 but I give class about web2py and want to be paid to develop some projects in web2py. Well, I want a way to people find me. What about having a list in the official site about people who can be paid to develop apps using web2py? I think many other people can get some work with this - not just the companies that are listed (in my case, I don't own a company and don't want to get jobs passing to the company I work for - I want just the customer contact me directly). Yes. We need that. Asap. It must be simple allow users to post profiles, have some kind of feedback mechanism and be good looking. Shall we make one together? I can host it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en.
[web2py] Fwd: web2py developers list
We need a web site to do this: - allow people to register as web2py developers, web2py clients, web2py sponsors - everybody can post a profile - clients can rate the developers - developers can rate other developers (is this a good idea?) - clients can look for developers - developers can connect to sponsors to develop their pet projects I can host it. Can you help develop it? Begin forwarded message: From: Massimo Di Pierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu Date: March 22, 2010 1:49:47 PM CDT To: Álvaro Justen alv...@justen.eng.br Cc: Massimo Di Pierro massimodipierr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: web2py developers list On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Álvaro Justen wrote: Hi Massimo, I'm not at Peta5 but I give class about web2py and want to be paid to develop some projects in web2py. Well, I want a way to people find me. What about having a list in the official site about people who can be paid to develop apps using web2py? I think many other people can get some work with this - not just the companies that are listed (in my case, I don't own a company and don't want to get jobs passing to the company I work for - I want just the customer contact me directly). Yes. We need that. Asap. It must be simple allow users to post profiles, have some kind of feedback mechanism and be good looking. Shall we make one together? I can host it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en.
[web2py] Anyplace to look for web2py Developers?
Is there any set place to look for web2py developers?. Is it correct to post a project offer here?. Else, where should those be sent to?. Of course there is elance and the like, but I'd rather go through people I see everyday in posts and that I somehow feel that we share a community rather than post it elsewhere cold and numb. Thank you, Benigno. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en.
[web2py] Re: Anyplace to look for web2py Developers?
It is correct to post here but I will also post an app for that. On Feb 12, 4:51 am, Benigno bca...@albendas.com wrote: Is there any set place to look for web2py developers?. Is it correct to post a project offer here?. Else, where should those be sent to?. Of course there is elance and the like, but I'd rather go through people I see everyday in posts and that I somehow feel that we share a community rather than post it elsewhere cold and numb. Thank you, Benigno. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en.
[web2py] Re: Anyplace to look for web2py Developers?
Ok, thanks a lot Massimo, looking forward to that. I am looking for web2py developers with a strong side on UI (I am not particular about any specific jQuery, ajax or whatnot). Please contact me if you are interested and I will send you information so that you can provide a Quotation for the project. The project already has the main structure done, and it would require fully developing the UI, optimizing changing some bits of the logic, and adding a couple new functions. (I am the developer, and the code is commented, so I can answer to any questions that might arise). The timeframe for developement would be starting end of next week or so, and finishing by the end of this month, or middle of next month at the latest. (Just saying in case you have these months already compromised), although I do not think it would require all that time as a Full Time project. The project is an analysis tool for home-automated buildings. Allowing end-user to visualize charts, and compare historicals etc. Please contact me for further information. Regards, Benigno. On Feb 12, 3:44 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: It is correct to post here but I will also post an app for that. On Feb 12, 4:51 am, Benigno bca...@albendas.com wrote: Is there any set place to look for web2py developers?. Is it correct to post a project offer here?. Else, where should those be sent to?. Of course there is elance and the like, but I'd rather go through people I see everyday in posts and that I somehow feel that we share a community rather than post it elsewhere cold and numb. Thank you, Benigno. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en.
[web2py:35600] Re: Data parser advice sort from web2py developers
From the author of lxml (back in'06): full XPath 1.0 support. XSLT support. Relax NG support XML Schema support. parsing and serialization retains namespace prefixes. from this article: http://faassen.n--tree.net/blog/view/weblog/2006/02/24/0 2009/11/19 mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu: It is not clear to me what does lxml do that element-tree does. Is it just an issue of speed? On Nov 18, 8:52 pm, Mark Larsen larsen...@gmail.com wrote: I've had good experience with ElementTree: http://effbot.org/zone/element-index.htm It has both straight python and a CPython versions. It's included with Python = 2.5. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:35602] Re: Data parser advice sort from web2py developers
thanks Mark. I've not been able to integrate BeautifulSoup and if I can't find a solution I'll look at ElementTree - thanks for the recommendation. A useful article for appengine developers wanting to use ElementTree http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/85b7d03ff0d4ff2b/9fdfec112a4c051a 2009/11/19 Mark Larsen larsen...@gmail.com: I've had good experience with ElementTree: http://effbot.org/zone/element-index.htm It has both straight python and a CPython versions. It's included with Python = 2.5. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:35675] Re: Data parser advice sort from web2py developers
I use lxml when available because of the speed, more robust HTML parsing than BeautifulSoup, and better XPath support than ElementTree. (The latest development snapshot of ElementTree improves the XPath support.) When lxml is not available I use ElementSoup (http://effbot.org/zone/ element-soup.htm) because I prefer using the ElementTree interface. Richard On Nov 19, 1:53 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: It is not clear to me what does lxml do that element-tree does. Is it just an issue of speed? On Nov 18, 8:52 pm, Mark Larsen larsen...@gmail.com wrote: I've had good experience with ElementTree: http://effbot.org/zone/element-index.htm It has both straight python and a CPython versions. It's included with Python = 2.5. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:35514] Data parser advice sort from web2py developers
hi, I have some markdown chunks of data. I'm either going to join them together with more markdown or with XML (this scaffolding will also hold some additional meta data). I'm running on GAE and looking for a suitable XML parser to use. I was get all excited by lxml (http://codespeak.net/lxml/) until I saw that elements of it are written in C (which negates its use on GAE). BeautifulSoup (www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/) looks interesting but its developer wants to move on to other things so I think it better not to add to his user base! Does anyone have (good) experience of using an XML (or Markdown) parser a top web2py/GAE ? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:35522] Re: Data parser advice sort from web2py developers
lxml has been recommended around here before: http://codespeak.net/lxml/parsing.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:35528] Re: Data parser advice sort from web2py developers
I saw those postings and checked out lxml. alas lxml is built with some C libraries that aren't available on GAE. On Nov 18, 2:10 pm, DenesL denes1...@yahoo.ca wrote: lxml has been recommended around here before:http://codespeak.net/lxml/parsing.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:35533] Re: Data parser advice sort from web2py developers
Oops. It seems that Python only packages for XML parsing are dying out in favor of speedier C and Python mixes. BeautifulSoup looks like the next best thing even if the developer is moving on (as you said), which might just mean that it is at a stable stage. Another plus: it has a user group around it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:/] Re: Data parser advice sort from web2py developers
Leonard Richardson: Beautiful Soup is a hobby that I don't really enjoy I think you're right that BSoup is stable but LR isn't keen on developing it further but is supporting it because it has a userbase (and he feels he should!) I have found http://scrapy.org/ that parses HTML. That might do what I need if I use HTML to link my Markdown content rather than XML. On Nov 18, 3:49 pm, DenesL denes1...@yahoo.ca wrote: Oops. It seems that Python only packages for XML parsing are dying out in favor of speedier C and Python mixes. BeautifulSoup looks like the next best thing even if the developer is moving on (as you said), which might just mean that it is at a stable stage. Another plus: it has a user group around it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:35544] Re: [web2py:/] Re: Data parser advice sort from web2py developers
In any case, if Leonard moves on, the community will pick it up, since source is available. -Thadeus On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Carl carl.ro...@gmail.com wrote: Leonard Richardson: Beautiful Soup is a hobby that I don't really enjoy I think you're right that BSoup is stable but LR isn't keen on developing it further but is supporting it because it has a userbase (and he feels he should!) I have found http://scrapy.org/ that parses HTML. That might do what I need if I use HTML to link my Markdown content rather than XML. On Nov 18, 3:49 pm, DenesL denes1...@yahoo.ca wrote: Oops. It seems that Python only packages for XML parsing are dying out in favor of speedier C and Python mixes. BeautifulSoup looks like the next best thing even if the developer is moving on (as you said), which might just mean that it is at a stable stage. Another plus: it has a user group around it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:35591] Re: Data parser advice sort from web2py developers
there is a feature request to add lxml to GAE: http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=18 On Nov 19, 1:54 am, Carl carl.ro...@gmail.com wrote: I saw those postings and checked out lxml. alas lxml is built with some C libraries that aren't available on GAE. On Nov 18, 2:10 pm, DenesL denes1...@yahoo.ca wrote: lxml has been recommended around here before:http://codespeak.net/lxml/parsing.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:35592] Re: Data parser advice sort from web2py developers
I've had good experience with ElementTree: http://effbot.org/zone/element-index.htm It has both straight python and a CPython versions. It's included with Python = 2.5. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:35593] Re: Data parser advice sort from web2py developers
It is not clear to me what does lxml do that element-tree does. Is it just an issue of speed? On Nov 18, 8:52 pm, Mark Larsen larsen...@gmail.com wrote: I've had good experience with ElementTree: http://effbot.org/zone/element-index.htm It has both straight python and a CPython versions. It's included with Python = 2.5. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:27040] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
I support the split too. This type of split is quite common in mailing lists. In the long term, it makes easier for everyone. Please make the -dev list readable by anyone (or atleast by web2py-users) The dev list can focus more on discussions on long term / future plans, architectural issues etc. It lets the developers focus on complex issues without being distracted by the constant chatter on the -users list The -users list is more for end users, casual visitors, beginners, for support questions etc. I just wanted to ask one question: Is there a security@ mail address or mail alias to report security issues (not that I have found any, so far)? Regards Anand On Jul 18, 6:28 am, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: This group has changed name to:web2py-users Developers should request membership in:http://groups.google.com/group/web2py_developers Or email me to be added. - You can be a developer if you have contributed toweb2py, NOT if you plant to contribute toweb2py. In order to be a developer you must also be a member of theweb2py-userslist and help otherusers. - I ultimately decide who is in and who is out. ATTENTION!!! There is also a list called web2py-developer (different from web2py_developers). I did not create it, I do not know who did. I do not recognize it unless I am giving ownership. This list should be limited to answer questions fromusersand not to have discussions about future. Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:27054] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
On Jul 21, 8:17 am, Anand Vaidya anandvaidya...@gmail.com wrote: I support the split too. This type of split is quite common in mailing lists. In the long term, it makes easier for everyone. Please make the -dev list readable by anyone (or atleast by web2py-users) It is. Is it not? The dev list can focus more on discussions on long term / future plans, architectural issues etc. It lets the developers focus on complex issues without being distracted by the constant chatter on the -users list The -users list is more for end users, casual visitors, beginners, for support questions etc. I just wanted to ask one question: Is there a security@ mail address or mail alias to report security issues (not that I have found any, so far)? No there is not but you can email me and/or open a google code ticket. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:27066] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:04 AM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: On Jul 21, 8:17 am, Anand Vaidya anandvaidya...@gmail.com wrote: I support the split too. This type of split is quite common in mailing lists. In the long term, it makes easier for everyone. Please make the -dev list readable by anyone (or atleast by web2py-users) It is. Is it not? Cornfirmed: Anonymous access to the dev group works. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26938] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
welcome from Beijing. Yarko is referring the Clojure agreement. http://clojure.org/space/showimage/ca.pdf Somebody pointed me to it. I do not have a strong feeling but seems clears and concise. massimo On Jul 19, 6:04 am, Yarko Tymciurak yark...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Fran francisb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 11:14 am, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I have no strong object to the idea of removing every prerequisite from admission to web2py-developers. Good :) But I still think we need to figure out a way to better acknowledge the role of contributors. Have contributors stated they want more acknowledgement? This is part of the point community, if knowing who area contributors are have a better sense of expertise; both in something to strive for, and something for others to see, this provides benefits... Moreover so many people have contributed so far we should also start thinking about protecting copyright issues (both protecting web2py from possible contamination of copyrighted code, and protecting the contributors by making sure they retain rights on their contributed code). We should look how other projects handle these issues. This is usually done through a CLA: http://trac.openlayers.org/wiki/HowToContribute#ContributorsLicenseAg... Massimo sent me something to comment on the other day that was derived from a Sun agreement; While these are all interesting, ultimately we need a lawyer's opinion on what would best protect intent of project and contributors. (Perhaps Van could suggest something? I have not yet read his Intellectual Property Open Source, but it is on the shelf staring at me...) - Yarko Contributors sign-over their rights to the project. Having this be a Foundation rather than an individual could be useful here (although personally I'm fine either way). F --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26887] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
Just to chime in... Such a split of lists is perfectly normal and does seem to work pretty well for other projects I'm interested in (the OSGeo projects, Maemo, etc). In fact, the usual layout is a trinity of lists - users, developers and community (the last one encompassing topics that are not technical). Also, having your patch not accepted is something you have to learn to live with if you contribute to ANY oss project. Some of my own patches are in web2py, some of them got implemented by Massimo in a way he felt was better and some got rejected (and consequently I keep as a separate patchset). No biggie, that's the way things work in all open source projects - and still way better than having a binary blob you can't touch and have to live with as-is. On Jul 18, 11:12 pm, Bottiger bottig...@gmail.com wrote: Having been somewhat experienced in the politics of open source, I cannot say this is the case. I have experienced occasions where useful contributions I have spent significant time working on ignored by the admins because they wanted to keep the number of contributors low, or they simply did not like them. A public example of this, as many of you may remember is Con Kolivas.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_Kolivas He vastly improved the scheduler for the Linux kernel, but it was not committed. Instead, a Linux developer incumbent, Ingo Molnar reimplemented it and merely delegated Con Kolivas to the footnotes. Moving development discussion into web2py-developers, which is by one person's invite only, seems to be moving towards this direction. On Jul 18, 1:44 pm, Hans Donner hans.don...@pobox.com wrote: Bottiger, and I planned to for Web2Py but now it is looking more difficult in fact, it is not: you can still contribute what you want, you can still post it here or send it to massimo - please do so. Roadmap, or no roadmap; dev group or not. H On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 22:21, Bottigerbottig...@gmail.com wrote: I can't shake the feeling that I spurred this move. I might be a newcomer to Web2Py, but I have already sunk some time into studying Web2Py such as finding broken links on the main page and benchmarking the bundled version of flup (which should not be used in a production environment because of GIL) compared to the official flup that has prefork. I have had made code contributions to other open- source projects, and I planned to for Web2Py but now it is looking more difficult. On Jul 18, 10:34 am, Joe Barnhart joe.barnh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised at this division of groups. Web2py does not have so much traffic that it is a burden to have all messages in one group. The intent is *precisely* to exclude people from certain conversations. There really can be no other reason for setting up a developers group with gated write access. The answer to certain comments taken out of context is more and better communication, not restricted lists of high priests vs. commoners. This strikes me as very heavy-handed and autocratic. This is not a good sign for our project. You have set the barrier for participation in web2py very high by this move. Honestly I am very surprised that anybody (esp. Massimo) thinks this is a good idea. Warm regards, Joe Barnhart On Jul 17, 5:39 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: One more thing... this is not at all intended to exclude people from important conversations. If you feel one way or another you can still bring it up here. It is just that sometime some comments may be taken out of context from new users and be interpreted in the wrong way. Let's see how it works out. If you have any suggestion to improve let me know. Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26895] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
On Jul 18, 10:20 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I think I see Bottiger problem. He feels he cannot be in the web2py- developers list until he is a contributor and therefore, until then, he will not be able to contribute to some of the discussion. I want to clarify that this is not the case for the following reasons: anybody on the other list will be required to be also here and you can read those discussion so you can follow-up on the here if you consider this appropriate. Let's see how this works out. If this does not work well we can change the model and open web2py-developers to everybody interested in it (as with web2py-users) and find a better/different way to acknowledge contributors that membership in a mailing list. Nothing is set in stone. Different people want different things and this is my first real open source project. We are all going to do mistakes and we will work to correct them. Always assume that we are doing hat we do to be more inclusive and not less inclusive. I must confess that I was somewhat taken aback by the initial split of lists - even though it is normal in many projects also the issue with list load increasing is causing threads to get hidden (I read the group via the web). I think the main issue I have is the restriction on membership. I would personally open up membership of that group to all - I don't see that recognition is best done through that form...ultimately the changelogs archived posts are sufficient but the who.html page is a nice bonus. Having people able to post to web2py-developers doesn't automatically mean that they have any extra say in the project - ideas are taken-up based on their merits their implementability, as-always. F --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26897] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
I have no strong object to the idea of removing every prerequisite from admission to web2py-developers. But I still think we need to figure out a way to better acknowledge the role of contributors. Moreover so many people have contributed so far we should also start thinking about protecting copyright issues (both protecting web2py from possible contamination of copyrighted code, and protecting the contributors by making sure they retain rights on their contributed code). We should look how other projects handle these issues. Massimo On Jul 19, 4:44 am, Fran francisb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Jul 18, 10:20 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I think I see Bottiger problem. He feels he cannot be in the web2py- developers list until he is a contributor and therefore, until then, he will not be able to contribute to some of the discussion. I want to clarify that this is not the case for the following reasons: anybody on the other list will be required to be also here and you can read those discussion so you can follow-up on the here if you consider this appropriate. Let's see how this works out. If this does not work well we can change the model and open web2py-developers to everybody interested in it (as with web2py-users) and find a better/different way to acknowledge contributors that membership in a mailing list. Nothing is set in stone. Different people want different things and this is my first real open source project. We are all going to do mistakes and we will work to correct them. Always assume that we are doing hat we do to be more inclusive and not less inclusive. I must confess that I was somewhat taken aback by the initial split of lists - even though it is normal in many projects also the issue with list load increasing is causing threads to get hidden (I read the group via the web). I think the main issue I have is the restriction on membership. I would personally open up membership of that group to all - I don't see that recognition is best done through that form...ultimately the changelogs archived posts are sufficient but the who.html page is a nice bonus. Having people able to post to web2py-developers doesn't automatically mean that they have any extra say in the project - ideas are taken-up based on their merits their implementability, as-always. F --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26899] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
On Jul 19, 11:14 am, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I have no strong object to the idea of removing every prerequisite from admission to web2py-developers. Good :) But I still think we need to figure out a way to better acknowledge the role of contributors. Have contributors stated they want more acknowledgement? Moreover so many people have contributed so far we should also start thinking about protecting copyright issues (both protecting web2py from possible contamination of copyrighted code, and protecting the contributors by making sure they retain rights on their contributed code). We should look how other projects handle these issues. This is usually done through a CLA: http://trac.openlayers.org/wiki/HowToContribute#ContributorsLicenseAgreements Contributors sign-over their rights to the project. Having this be a Foundation rather than an individual could be useful here (although personally I'm fine either way). F --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26900] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Fran francisb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 11:14 am, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I have no strong object to the idea of removing every prerequisite from admission to web2py-developers. Good :) But I still think we need to figure out a way to better acknowledge the role of contributors. Have contributors stated they want more acknowledgement? This is part of the point community, if knowing who area contributors are have a better sense of expertise; both in something to strive for, and something for others to see, this provides benefits... Moreover so many people have contributed so far we should also start thinking about protecting copyright issues (both protecting web2py from possible contamination of copyrighted code, and protecting the contributors by making sure they retain rights on their contributed code). We should look how other projects handle these issues. This is usually done through a CLA: http://trac.openlayers.org/wiki/HowToContribute#ContributorsLicenseAgreements Massimo sent me something to comment on the other day that was derived from a Sun agreement; While these are all interesting, ultimately we need a lawyer's opinion on what would best protect intent of project and contributors. (Perhaps Van could suggest something? I have not yet read his Intellectual Property Open Source, but it is on the shelf staring at me...) - Yarko Contributors sign-over their rights to the project. Having this be a Foundation rather than an individual could be useful here (although personally I'm fine either way). F --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26806] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Tim Michelsen timmichel...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: Or email me to be added. - You can be a developer if you have contributed to web2py, NOT if you plant to contribute to web2py. In order to be a developer you must also be a member of the web2py-users list and help other users. - I ultimately decide who is in and who is out. I may suggest to grant these selected developers editing rights to the web2py website. Then, they could update roadmap how-to-contribute pages. based on past experience, I don't like this idea... I think Massimo should control / decide, and more appropriately someone responsible for one thing should be a gatekeeper (as opposed to everyone in a group). This is consistent with what other project spaces do. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26807] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
I am surprised at this division of groups. Web2py does not have so much traffic that it is a burden to have all messages in one group. The intent is *precisely* to exclude people from certain conversations. There really can be no other reason for setting up a developers group with gated write access. The answer to certain comments taken out of context is more and better communication, not restricted lists of high priests vs. commoners. This strikes me as very heavy-handed and autocratic. This is not a good sign for our project. You have set the barrier for participation in web2py very high by this move. Honestly I am very surprised that anybody (esp. Massimo) thinks this is a good idea. Warm regards, Joe Barnhart On Jul 17, 5:39 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: One more thing... this is not at all intended to exclude people from important conversations. If you feel one way or another you can still bring it up here. It is just that sometime some comments may be taken out of context from new users and be interpreted in the wrong way. Let's see how it works out. If you have any suggestion to improve let me know. Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26810] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Joe Barnhart joe.barnh...@gmail.comwrote: I am surprised at this division of groups. Web2py does not have so much traffic that it is a burden to have all messages in one group. The intent is *precisely* to exclude people from certain conversations. There really can be no other reason for setting up a developers group with gated write access. The answer to certain comments taken out of context is more and better communication, not restricted lists of high priests vs. commoners. Joe - This is your interpretation (and not the only one). This was a suggestion from this list. A mixture of topics was confusing and distracting people who just have use questions (as opposed to strategy, long term vision, etc.). I interpret the limited write status (a starting state) as one specifically useful to keep discussions focused by people with longer experience, precisely so things stay constructive (don't devolve into opinion wars, etc.). You are entitled to your opinions and interpretations - but that is what they are: your interpretations (and NOT ...no other reason...). Own it - YOU don't like the split; YOU would do it differently; YOU are suspicious of the intent or motivation. _I_ am not. - Yarko This strikes me as very heavy-handed and autocratic. This is not a good sign for our project. You have set the barrier for participation in web2py very high by this move. Honestly I am very surprised that anybody (esp. Massimo) thinks this is a good idea. Warm regards, Joe Barnhart On Jul 17, 5:39 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: One more thing... this is not at all intended to exclude people from important conversations. If you feel one way or another you can still bring it up here. It is just that sometime some comments may be taken out of context from new users and be interpreted in the wrong way. Let's see how it works out. If you have any suggestion to improve let me know. Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26811] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
Let me just say that this is a positive step that was needed. Here are some benefits so everyone is clear: 1. Fosters more of a team atmosphere among developers (internal team) 2. Gives Massimo a better idea about who are the start contributors among the team, and can therefore invite them into the administrative control role (i.e. control website, etc.). 3. Gives the rest of the users a chance to see that there is active development going-on 4. Keeps the web2py-users page clean from internal advanced web2py developer chatter 5. Makes developers feel special ;P which they BADLY need :D (I am not one on web2py). Recognition will motivate them even further to take this framework where it could not go before. 6. It is a sign that this framework has reached a stage in its life where it must grow/evolve--this means it is prospering!! Users should rejoice! beers at /pub for everyone! - Happy web2py user On Jul 18, 11:10 am, Yarko Tymciurak yark...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Joe Barnhart joe.barnh...@gmail.comwrote: I am surprised at this division of groups. Web2py does not have so much traffic that it is a burden to have all messages in one group. The intent is *precisely* to exclude people from certain conversations. There really can be no other reason for setting up a developers group with gated write access. The answer to certain comments taken out of context is more and better communication, not restricted lists of high priests vs. commoners. Joe - This is your interpretation (and not the only one). This was a suggestion from this list. A mixture of topics was confusing and distracting people who just have use questions (as opposed to strategy, long term vision, etc.). I interpret the limited write status (a starting state) as one specifically useful to keep discussions focused by people with longer experience, precisely so things stay constructive (don't devolve into opinion wars, etc.). You are entitled to your opinions and interpretations - but that is what they are: your interpretations (and NOT ...no other reason...). Own it - YOU don't like the split; YOU would do it differently; YOU are suspicious of the intent or motivation. _I_ am not. - Yarko This strikes me as very heavy-handed and autocratic. This is not a good sign for our project. You have set the barrier for participation in web2py very high by this move. Honestly I am very surprised that anybody (esp. Massimo) thinks this is a good idea. Warm regards, Joe Barnhart On Jul 17, 5:39 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: One more thing... this is not at all intended to exclude people from important conversations. If you feel one way or another you can still bring it up here. It is just that sometime some comments may be taken out of context from new users and be interpreted in the wrong way. Let's see how it works out. If you have any suggestion to improve let me know. Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26814] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
Joe: I have sided with you many times but not on this one. A cleaner division between users (a.k.a commoners --giggle--) who want to use web2py without knowing what is under the hood and developers (a.k.a high priests --LOL--) who make an extra effort to delve into the innards and into strategic thinking, is healthy IMHO. Plus I like my new purple robe and pointy hat (sorry... I could not resist). Denes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26817] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:52 PM, DenesL denes1...@yahoo.ca wrote: Joe: I have sided with you many times but not on this one. A cleaner division between users (a.k.a commoners --giggle--) who want to use web2py without knowing what is under the hood and developers (a.k.a high priests --LOL--) who make an extra effort to delve into the innards and into strategic thinking, is healthy IMHO. Plus I like my new purple robe and pointy hat (sorry... I could not resist). heheh Oh! and don't forget those fance, start studded gloves, with the fingertips conveniently cut off for typing on your keyboard, while giving _much_ better control of that Wand! *smirk* Denes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26818] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Yarko Tymciurak yark...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:52 PM, DenesL denes1...@yahoo.ca wrote: Joe: I have sided with you many times but not on this one. A cleaner division between users (a.k.a commoners --giggle--) who want to use web2py without knowing what is under the hood and developers (a.k.a high priests --LOL--) who make an extra effort to delve into the innards and into strategic thinking, is healthy IMHO. Plus I like my new purple robe and pointy hat (sorry... I could not resist). heheh (er ... still having trouble typing w/ them ;-): Oh! and don't forget those fancy, star- studded gloves, with the fingertips conveniently cut off for typing on your keyboard, while giving _much_ better control of that Wand! *smirk* Denes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26829] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
We should not confuse freedom of expression with transparency and with democracy. You have freedom of expression here and people are not being censored for what they say. There is no plan to change that. You also have transparency. The web2py-developers list is world readable although it is new so there i nothing in there. This is because it is in everybody interest to get as much feedback as possible from users. Yet, this is not a democracy. The fact that a project is open source (and you can us it for free) does not mean that users have the same rights as the original copyright holder(s). I welcome your suggestions about technical issues and about management but not complaints. If something is given to you for free you have the option to accept it (use it), you have the option to return a gift (contribute), but you do not have the complain to complain. It is my interest to keep this project as open as possible and as open as any other GPL2 project. But it is important to distinguish people who contribute to it from people who do not. It is my intention to be relatively loose on the definition of contribute. Some people have contributed with a lot of code. Some people have contributed with documentation. Some people have contributed by testing and reporting bugs. Some people have contributed by blogging about web2py. Some have volunteered to help with management issues. Other have built apps with web2py. I am not going to rank contributors but it is my responsibility to acknowledge the people who have given back. I owe it to them. We all do. This is good because it provides an incentive to do more. It informs users about who they can direct questions to and whose answers they can trust. I am not selecting anybody a priori. People who have given back can ask to join web2py-developers and their work will be acknowledged, a posteriori. The role of various people has already being acknowledged in the who.html page although I need to do a better job. If I have made mistakes please help me correct them. Said this. I do not think that the voice of the developers is more important than anybody else's voice when it comes to setting a roadmap. We will set a public web2py were people can contribute to the roadmap by proposing items and voting. The role of the developers is to decide what is feasible and when. My role is to decide what is compatible with my vision for web2py and what is not. The most critical issue for the future of web2py is that it does not get corrupted. Web2py was designed to be small, fast, simple and coherent. It is my job to keep it that way. Massimo On Jul 18, 2:03 pm, Yarko Tymciurak yark...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Yarko Tymciurak yark...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:52 PM, DenesL denes1...@yahoo.ca wrote: Joe: I have sided with you many times but not on this one. A cleaner division between users (a.k.a commoners --giggle--) who want to use web2py without knowing what is under the hood and developers (a.k.a high priests --LOL--) who make an extra effort to delve into the innards and into strategic thinking, is healthy IMHO. Plus I like my new purple robe and pointy hat (sorry... I could not resist). heheh (er ... still having trouble typing w/ them ;-): Oh! and don't forget those fancy, star- studded gloves, with the fingertips conveniently cut off for typing on your keyboard, while giving _much_ better control of that Wand! *smirk* Denes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26831] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
I can't shake the feeling that I spurred this move. I might be a newcomer to Web2Py, but I have already sunk some time into studying Web2Py such as finding broken links on the main page and benchmarking the bundled version of flup (which should not be used in a production environment because of GIL) compared to the official flup that has prefork. I have had made code contributions to other open- source projects, and I planned to for Web2Py but now it is looking more difficult. On Jul 18, 10:34 am, Joe Barnhart joe.barnh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised at this division of groups. Web2py does not have so much traffic that it is a burden to have all messages in one group. The intent is *precisely* to exclude people from certain conversations. There really can be no other reason for setting up a developers group with gated write access. The answer to certain comments taken out of context is more and better communication, not restricted lists of high priests vs. commoners. This strikes me as very heavy-handed and autocratic. This is not a good sign for our project. You have set the barrier for participation in web2py very high by this move. Honestly I am very surprised that anybody (esp. Massimo) thinks this is a good idea. Warm regards, Joe Barnhart On Jul 17, 5:39 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: One more thing... this is not at all intended to exclude people from important conversations. If you feel one way or another you can still bring it up here. It is just that sometime some comments may be taken out of context from new users and be interpreted in the wrong way. Let's see how it works out. If you have any suggestion to improve let me know. Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26832] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
Bottiger, and I planned to for Web2Py but now it is looking more difficult in fact, it is not: you can still contribute what you want, you can still post it here or send it to massimo - please do so. Roadmap, or no roadmap; dev group or not. H On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 22:21, Bottigerbottig...@gmail.com wrote: I can't shake the feeling that I spurred this move. I might be a newcomer to Web2Py, but I have already sunk some time into studying Web2Py such as finding broken links on the main page and benchmarking the bundled version of flup (which should not be used in a production environment because of GIL) compared to the official flup that has prefork. I have had made code contributions to other open- source projects, and I planned to for Web2Py but now it is looking more difficult. On Jul 18, 10:34 am, Joe Barnhart joe.barnh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised at this division of groups. Web2py does not have so much traffic that it is a burden to have all messages in one group. The intent is *precisely* to exclude people from certain conversations. There really can be no other reason for setting up a developers group with gated write access. The answer to certain comments taken out of context is more and better communication, not restricted lists of high priests vs. commoners. This strikes me as very heavy-handed and autocratic. This is not a good sign for our project. You have set the barrier for participation in web2py very high by this move. Honestly I am very surprised that anybody (esp. Massimo) thinks this is a good idea. Warm regards, Joe Barnhart On Jul 17, 5:39 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: One more thing... this is not at all intended to exclude people from important conversations. If you feel one way or another you can still bring it up here. It is just that sometime some comments may be taken out of context from new users and be interpreted in the wrong way. Let's see how it works out. If you have any suggestion to improve let me know. Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26834] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
Bottiger, Wait and see. Don't give up just yet. You may find a diamond in this lump of coal yet. While it may seem like you won't be able to contribute, it is quite the contrary. You will be able to join forces with others making similar contributions and go on to do great things together. The developers deserve the same. But it would not be useful to have our conversations regarding what to fix that is not code-related be intermingled with the developer chatter. I personally don't care what they are working on, but I do care about the site, and documentation, and other non-coding issues. I personally have no interest, currently, in contributing code (mostly because I don't know what to contribute), but I do know other things to contribute. I want a place where I can discuss with others like you and I, and work together on something big. I also don't want to flood the users group with this discussion. Imagine making a post about a question, and having your post end up on page 2 where no one will see it because of other messages related to 80/20 discussion and roadmap, and all sorts of MANAGEMENT issues. I would be pretty pissed, don't know about you. All I want on the users group is to get an answer to a simple question. I don't care about road-maps and those things. When I want to read that, I will happily go into the web2py group that is specific to those topics. On Jul 18, 1:21 pm, Bottiger bottig...@gmail.com wrote: I can't shake the feeling that I spurred this move. I might be a newcomer to Web2Py, but I have already sunk some time into studying Web2Py such as finding broken links on the main page and benchmarking the bundled version of flup (which should not be used in a production environment because of GIL) compared to the official flup that has prefork. I have had made code contributions to other open- source projects, and I planned to for Web2Py but now it is looking more difficult. On Jul 18, 10:34 am, Joe Barnhart joe.barnh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised at this division of groups. Web2py does not have so much traffic that it is a burden to have all messages in one group. The intent is *precisely* to exclude people from certain conversations. There really can be no other reason for setting up a developers group with gated write access. The answer to certain comments taken out of context is more and better communication, not restricted lists of high priests vs. commoners. This strikes me as very heavy-handed and autocratic. This is not a good sign for our project. You have set the barrier for participation in web2py very high by this move. Honestly I am very surprised that anybody (esp. Massimo) thinks this is a good idea. Warm regards, Joe Barnhart On Jul 17, 5:39 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: One more thing... this is not at all intended to exclude people from important conversations. If you feel one way or another you can still bring it up here. It is just that sometime some comments may be taken out of context from new users and be interpreted in the wrong way. Let's see how it works out. If you have any suggestion to improve let me know. Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26835] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Bottiger bottig...@gmail.com wrote: I can't shake the feeling that I spurred this move. It was in the ecology already, naturally... .. I have had made code contributions to other open- source projects, and I planned to for Web2Py but now it is looking more difficult. I don't understand - what did you see that makes you think it will be more difficult to make contributions to web2py? Is this because of Joe's opinions? (he used some namecalling in his post which I have issues with; no productive options or observations, and certainly not any show of openness) On Jul 18, 10:34 am, Joe Barnhart joe.barnh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised at this division of groups. Web2py does not have so much traffic that it is a burden to have all messages in one group. The intent is *precisely* to exclude people from certain conversations. There really can be no other reason for setting up a developers group with gated write access. The answer to certain comments taken out of context is more and better communication, not restricted lists of high priests vs. commoners. This strikes me as very heavy-handed and autocratic. This is not a good sign for our project. You have set the barrier for participation in web2py very high by this move. Honestly I am very surprised that anybody (esp. Massimo) thinks this is a good idea. Warm regards, Joe Barnhart On Jul 17, 5:39 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: One more thing... this is not at all intended to exclude people from important conversations. If you feel one way or another you can still bring it up here. It is just that sometime some comments may be taken out of context from new users and be interpreted in the wrong way. Let's see how it works out. If you have any suggestion to improve let me know. Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26837] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
I think I see Bottiger problem. He feels he cannot be in the web2py- developers list until he is a contributor and therefore, until then, he will not be able to contribute to some of the discussion. I want to clarify that this is not the case for the following reasons: anybody on the other list will be required to be also here and you can read those discussion so you can follow-up on the here if you consider this appropriate. Let's see how this works out. If this does not work well we can change the model and open web2py-developers to everybody interested in it (as with web2py-users) and find a better/different way to acknowledge contributors that membership in a mailing list. Nothing is set in stone. Different people want different things and this is my first real open source project. We are all going to do mistakes and we will work to correct them. Always assume that we are doing hat we do to be more inclusive and not less inclusive. Massimo On Jul 18, 4:03 pm, Yarko Tymciurak yark...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Bottiger bottig...@gmail.com wrote: I can't shake the feeling that I spurred this move. It was in the ecology already, naturally... .. I have had made code contributions to other open- source projects, and I planned to for Web2Py but now it is looking more difficult. I don't understand - what did you see that makes you think it will be more difficult to make contributions to web2py? Is this because of Joe's opinions? (he used some namecalling in his post which I have issues with; no productive options or observations, and certainly not any show of openness) On Jul 18, 10:34 am, Joe Barnhart joe.barnh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised at this division of groups. Web2py does not have so much traffic that it is a burden to have all messages in one group. The intent is *precisely* to exclude people from certain conversations. There really can be no other reason for setting up a developers group with gated write access. The answer to certain comments taken out of context is more and better communication, not restricted lists of high priests vs. commoners. This strikes me as very heavy-handed and autocratic. This is not a good sign for our project. You have set the barrier for participation in web2py very high by this move. Honestly I am very surprised that anybody (esp. Massimo) thinks this is a good idea. Warm regards, Joe Barnhart On Jul 17, 5:39 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: One more thing... this is not at all intended to exclude people from important conversations. If you feel one way or another you can still bring it up here. It is just that sometime some comments may be taken out of context from new users and be interpreted in the wrong way. Let's see how it works out. If you have any suggestion to improve let me know. Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26838] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
It is not my interest to keep the number of contributors low. Quite the opposite. I do not think you will find anybody whose work has been ignored. Nevertheless it is my interest to minimize changes to web2py. I need people to help improve the docs, write tests, test more, make it look sleeker, write killer apps. I am going to resist changes to make web2py different (disclaimer: I have been proven wrong here a few times). I do not know the cases you refer to but as far as web2py is concerned you are a contributors if and only if your contribution is accepted. It has happened before that somebody implemented a needed feature in a way that I did not like. My policy in this case is to use those parts of the contributed solution that I liked, rewrite the rest, and still acknowledge the contributors as the author. Of course this holds as long there is some original work in the contribution and if the proposed feature is included. Let me also give you example of contributions that will not be accepted: 1) anything that breaks backward compatibility. 2) removal of feature 3) anything that substantially increase the complexity of the source code 4) anything that increases the complexity from the point of new users (including cluttering the interface) 5) integration of web2py with other ORMs or other template engines. (You can do it. If there is a barrier to do it we will try to remove those barrier. But we will not take steps to encourage this because it goes against the web2py goal to make it easy to port applications.) Massimo On Jul 18, 4:12 pm, Bottiger bottig...@gmail.com wrote: Having been somewhat experienced in the politics of open source, I cannot say this is the case. I have experienced occasions where useful contributions I have spent significant time working on ignored by the admins because they wanted to keep the number of contributors low, or they simply did not like them. A public example of this, as many of you may remember is Con Kolivas.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_Kolivas He vastly improved the scheduler for the Linux kernel, but it was not committed. Instead, a Linux developer incumbent, Ingo Molnar reimplemented it and merely delegated Con Kolivas to the footnotes. Moving development discussion into web2py-developers, which is by one person's invite only, seems to be moving towards this direction. On Jul 18, 1:44 pm, Hans Donner hans.don...@pobox.com wrote: Bottiger, and I planned to for Web2Py but now it is looking more difficult in fact, it is not: you can still contribute what you want, you can still post it here or send it to massimo - please do so. Roadmap, or no roadmap; dev group or not. H On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 22:21, Bottigerbottig...@gmail.com wrote: I can't shake the feeling that I spurred this move. I might be a newcomer to Web2Py, but I have already sunk some time into studying Web2Py such as finding broken links on the main page and benchmarking the bundled version of flup (which should not be used in a production environment because of GIL) compared to the official flup that has prefork. I have had made code contributions to other open- source projects, and I planned to for Web2Py but now it is looking more difficult. On Jul 18, 10:34 am, Joe Barnhart joe.barnh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised at this division of groups. Web2py does not have so much traffic that it is a burden to have all messages in one group. The intent is *precisely* to exclude people from certain conversations. There really can be no other reason for setting up a developers group with gated write access. The answer to certain comments taken out of context is more and better communication, not restricted lists of high priests vs. commoners. This strikes me as very heavy-handed and autocratic. This is not a good sign for our project. You have set the barrier for participation in web2py very high by this move. Honestly I am very surprised that anybody (esp. Massimo) thinks this is a good idea. Warm regards, Joe Barnhart On Jul 17, 5:39 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: One more thing... this is not at all intended to exclude people from important conversations. If you feel one way or another you can still bring it up here. It is just that sometime some comments may be taken out of context from new users and be interpreted in the wrong way. Let's see how it works out. If you have any suggestion to improve let me know. Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26840] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: It is not my interest to keep the number of contributors low. Quite the opposite. I do not think you will find anybody whose work has been ignored. Nevertheless it is my interest to minimize changes to web2py. I need people to help improve the docs, write tests, test more, make it look sleeker, write killer apps. I am going to resist changes to make web2py different (disclaimer: I have been proven wrong here a few times). This is an important point: Massimo's motivation (no change) is good, and resistance breaks down in the face of good reasons, good ideas - exactly as it should. I encourage continuing this important shaping resistance,, since it is a well functioning one. - Yarko --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26869] web2py-developers again
If you have contributed to web2py (source code, documentation, promotion, testing, debugging) please ask to join http://groups.google.com/group/web2py-developers Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26766] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
CORRECTION: user web2py-developers instead of web2py_developers instead. I deleted the latter. You need to sign up. Massimo On Jul 17, 5:28 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: This group has changed name to: web2py-users Developers should request membership in:http://groups.google.com/group/web2py_developers Or email me to be added. - You can be a developer if you have contributed to web2py, NOT if you plant to contribute to web2py. In order to be a developer you must also be a member of the web2py-users list and help other users. - I ultimately decide who is in and who is out. ATTENTION!!! There is also a list called web2py-developer (different from web2py_developers). I did not create it, I do not know who did. I do not recognize it unless I am giving ownership. This list should be limited to answer questions from users and not to have discussions about future. Massimo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26768] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
Hi Massimo, The description of web2py-users still says: Developers should also join: http://groups.google.com/group/web2py_de velopers The underscore should be a dash, and there's a space in the text (URL is correct though). rev --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26777] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
Sorry that was not intentional. I just set it up in a hurry. Now all messages are readable (there are none yet) You did well to bring this up. Please check that it is fixed on your side. To be a member you have to apply and I have to approve. If you have contributed to web2py significantly or have otherwise demonstrated knowledge of web2py source code, you will be admitted. Massimo On Jul 17, 7:17 pm, A. C. Censi acce...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Massimo, greetings from Brazil. Or perhaps from this last actions hould I say Heil! I have been following the web2py community, because I feel that is very interesting effort in bringing another python framework that is very ingenious and, from my frustrated developer view (mainly because I could not be a developer, a developer's manager), a very bright one, mainly from your intense participation. Creating a developers group can be a good decision from a benefactor dictator, but restriciting the view of the messages from outside the group seems to be a backward retreat in a time that web2py needs to have all the exposition the technical brightness deserves. Why the developers should be a restricted community to this level? Reserving the right to post i think could be acceptable, but restricting reading, seems to be too much, and, by the way, with the teacher soul that the Massimo di Piero the developer puts on every reply in the list, even for the most obvious one. Obviously, I would continue to follow the community (in with I am allowed), but, with all the same feelings of your meritorius work deserves, I think I should protest. Perhaps, you are upset by the questions posted in the lists recently, about roadmap, documentation, Django comparisons, etc. I should confess, that, at first, I thaugh this post was a fake one. But as the developers list is blocked, it seems that the nighmare is more real. Anyway, excuse me if this is too harsh or for any overreaction in writing, as I am not a ntive english speaker. Regards A. C. Censi On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:28 PM, mdipierromdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: This group has changed name to: web2py-users, Developers should request membership in: http://groups.google.com/group/web2py_developers Or email me to be added. - You can be a developer if you have contributed to web2py, NOT if you plant to contribute to web2py. In order to be a developer you must also be a member of the web2py-users list and help other users. - I ultimately decide who is in and who is out. ATTENTION!!! There is also a list called web2py-developer (different from web2py_developers). I did not create it, I do not know who did. I do not recognize it unless I am giving ownership. This list should be limited to answer questions from users and not to have discussions about future. Massimo -- A. C. Censi accensi [em] gmail [ponto] com accensi [em] montreal [ponto] com [ponto] br --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[web2py:26778] Re: web2py-users and web2py-developers
One more thing... this is not at all intended to exclude people from important conversations. If you feel one way or another you can still bring it up here. It is just that sometime some comments may be taken out of context from new users and be interpreted in the wrong way. Let's see how it works out. If you have any suggestion to improve let me know. Massimo On Jul 17, 7:33 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: Sorry that was not intentional. I just set it up in a hurry. Now all messages are readable (there are none yet) You did well to bring this up. Please check that it is fixed on your side. To be a member you have to apply and I have to approve. If you have contributed to web2py significantly or have otherwise demonstrated knowledge of web2py source code, you will be admitted. Massimo On Jul 17, 7:17 pm, A. C. Censi acce...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Massimo, greetings from Brazil. Or perhaps from this last actions hould I say Heil! I have been following the web2py community, because I feel that is very interesting effort in bringing another python framework that is very ingenious and, from my frustrated developer view (mainly because I could not be a developer, a developer's manager), a very bright one, mainly from your intense participation. Creating a developers group can be a good decision from a benefactor dictator, but restriciting the view of the messages from outside the group seems to be a backward retreat in a time that web2py needs to have all the exposition the technical brightness deserves. Why the developers should be a restricted community to this level? Reserving the right to post i think could be acceptable, but restricting reading, seems to be too much, and, by the way, with the teacher soul that the Massimo di Piero the developer puts on every reply in the list, even for the most obvious one. Obviously, I would continue to follow the community (in with I am allowed), but, with all the same feelings of your meritorius work deserves, I think I should protest. Perhaps, you are upset by the questions posted in the lists recently, about roadmap, documentation, Django comparisons, etc. I should confess, that, at first, I thaugh this post was a fake one. But as the developers list is blocked, it seems that the nighmare is more real. Anyway, excuse me if this is too harsh or for any overreaction in writing, as I am not a ntive english speaker. Regards A. C. Censi On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:28 PM, mdipierromdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: This group has changed name to: web2py-users, Developers should request membership in: http://groups.google.com/group/web2py_developers Or email me to be added. - You can be a developer if you have contributed to web2py, NOT if you plant to contribute to web2py. In order to be a developer you must also be a member of the web2py-users list and help other users. - I ultimately decide who is in and who is out. ATTENTION!!! There is also a list called web2py-developer (different from web2py_developers). I did not create it, I do not know who did. I do not recognize it unless I am giving ownership. This list should be limited to answer questions from users and not to have discussions about future. Massimo -- A. C. Censi accensi [em] gmail [ponto] com accensi [em] montreal [ponto] com [ponto] br --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
