[webkit-dev] GTK 64-bit Debug slave is offline

2012-02-10 Thread Philippe Normand
Hi!

We can't start the 64-bit GTK Debug slave anymore, the error we get is:

2012-02-10 03:27:55-0800 [Broker,client]
ReconnectingPBClientFactory.failedToGetPerspective
2012-02-10 03:27:55-0800 [Broker,client] Unhandled Error
Traceback from remote host -- Traceback unavailable

It seems that means we get an authentication error. Can the buildmaster
admin please check this on their side?

Thanks!
Philippe


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Re: [webkit-dev] GTK 64-bit Debug slave is offline

2012-02-10 Thread William Siegrist
The master has been restarted. 

-Bill


On Feb 10, 2012, at 3:37 AM, Philippe Normand wrote:

 Hi!
 
 We can't start the 64-bit GTK Debug slave anymore, the error we get is:
 
 2012-02-10 03:27:55-0800 [Broker,client]
 ReconnectingPBClientFactory.failedToGetPerspective
 2012-02-10 03:27:55-0800 [Broker,client] Unhandled Error
   Traceback from remote host -- Traceback unavailable
 
 It seems that means we get an authentication error. Can the buildmaster
 admin please check this on their side?
 
 Thanks!
 Philippe
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Re: [webkit-dev] JavaScriptCore Debugger - Non-Browser Implementation

2012-02-10 Thread Matt Veenstra
Hi again,

Does anyone have any insight here?  Is this the correct place to ask?

Thx,
Matt

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Matt Veenstra
matts_li...@tribalmedia.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I am looking for a tool to help debug JavaScript code for
 JavaScriptCore when NOT using a browser?  I did a bit of research and
 did not find anything that seems to attach and debug at a code level
 and ignore the DOM.

 Is there something simple I missed?  Drosera seemed to exist in the past.

 Is this the proper list for this question?

 Thanks,
 Matt Veenstra
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Re: [webkit-dev] GTK 64-bit Debug slave is offline

2012-02-10 Thread Philippe Normand
The buildslave is back and kicking.
Thanks!
Philippe

On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 07:45 -0800, William Siegrist wrote:
 The master has been restarted. 
 
 -Bill
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2012, at 3:37 AM, Philippe Normand wrote:
 
  Hi!
  
  We can't start the 64-bit GTK Debug slave anymore, the error we get is:
  
  2012-02-10 03:27:55-0800 [Broker,client]
  ReconnectingPBClientFactory.failedToGetPerspective
  2012-02-10 03:27:55-0800 [Broker,client] Unhandled Error
  Traceback from remote host -- Traceback unavailable
  
  It seems that means we get an authentication error. Can the buildmaster
  admin please check this on their side?
  
  Thanks!
  Philippe
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[webkit-dev] When should we turn on new features?

2012-02-10 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
Hi all,

In general, the decision of whether a given feature is enabled or not is
made by each port. However, at last year's W3C TPAC, there were complaints
from other participants about WebKit shipping half-baked implementations
and breaking feature-detection.

As an example, when WebKit enabled new types for form controls, we didn't
initially have useful UIs. This resulted in breaking websites that relied
on feature-detection to decide whether to use new types or fallback to
JS-based fallback UI. Now those websites need to rely on navigator string.
(I don't intend to name-call anyone or blame this instance in particular).

So when is a Web-facing feature implemented in WebKit good enough to be
enabled by any port? Should there be some set of criteria to be met?

- Ryosuke
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Re: [webkit-dev] Subpixel Layout Update

2012-02-10 Thread Levi Weintraub
WebKittens,

We're planning to wrap up our conversion of the RenderTree to subpixel
units next week. We've created a the following wiki page to help explain
the changes we are making: https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/LayoutUnit If you
work on the rendering code, please take a look and talk to Emil and me if
you have any questions.

This will effect a large number of layout test expectations as well as some
platform interfaces. If you are working on or maintaining a port other than
Apple, Qt, and Chromium, please touch bases with us.

Thanks!
-Emil and Levi


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@chromium.org wrote:

 WebKittens,

 As you may know, Emil and I have been diligently working on getting
 subpixel layout up and running in WebKit. After much testing, we
 settled on a fixed point implementation instead of floats; we're happy
 to discuss how we arrived at this decision. We're currently in a state
 where we pass most of the layout tests and many (but not all) of the
 remaining failures are due to rounding differences that are desirable.

 As such, we've moved our efforts to a public branch on the WebKit.org
 svn server, and would love early feedback and advice. Our branch
 currently runs the following ports: Mac, Qt, Chromium-Linux, and
 Chromium-Mac. Any advice or help bringing up other platforms would be
 greatly appreciated.

 You can check our work out here:
 http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/branches/subpixellayout
 (currently branched from r98654 and we'll continue to track head by a
 day or two)

 Thanks,
 Emil and Levi

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Re: [webkit-dev] Subpixel Layout Update

2012-02-10 Thread Adam Barth
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@google.com wrote:
 WebKittens,

 We're planning to wrap up our conversion of the RenderTree to subpixel units
 next week. We've created a the following wiki page to help explain the
 changes we are making: https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/LayoutUnit If you work
 on the rendering code, please take a look and talk to Emil and me if you
 have any questions.

 This will effect a large number of layout test expectations as well as some
 platform interfaces. If you are working on or maintaining a port other than
 Apple, Qt, and Chromium, please touch bases with us.

We've been talking about turning on mock scroll bars for Chromium.
Would it make sense to do that at the same time to minimize the number
of baseline updates?

Adam


 On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@chromium.org wrote:

 WebKittens,

 As you may know, Emil and I have been diligently working on getting
 subpixel layout up and running in WebKit. After much testing, we
 settled on a fixed point implementation instead of floats; we're happy
 to discuss how we arrived at this decision. We're currently in a state
 where we pass most of the layout tests and many (but not all) of the
 remaining failures are due to rounding differences that are desirable.

 As such, we've moved our efforts to a public branch on the WebKit.org
 svn server, and would love early feedback and advice. Our branch
 currently runs the following ports: Mac, Qt, Chromium-Linux, and
 Chromium-Mac. Any advice or help bringing up other platforms would be
 greatly appreciated.

 You can check our work out here:
 http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/branches/subpixellayout
 (currently branched from r98654 and we'll continue to track head by a
 day or two)

 Thanks,
 Emil and Levi



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Re: [webkit-dev] Subpixel Layout Update

2012-02-10 Thread Levi Weintraub
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@google.com wrote:
  WebKittens,
 
  We're planning to wrap up our conversion of the RenderTree to subpixel
 units
  next week. We've created a the following wiki page to help explain the
  changes we are making: https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/LayoutUnit If you
 work
  on the rendering code, please take a look and talk to Emil and me if you
  have any questions.
 
  This will effect a large number of layout test expectations as well as
 some
  platform interfaces. If you are working on or maintaining a port other
 than
  Apple, Qt, and Chromium, please touch bases with us.

 We've been talking about turning on mock scroll bars for Chromium.
 Would it make sense to do that at the same time to minimize the number
 of baseline updates?


It would allow us to make only one WebKit sheriff's life miserable instead
of two, but the changes don't really relate in any other meaningful way.



 Adam


  On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@chromium.org
 wrote:
 
  WebKittens,
 
  As you may know, Emil and I have been diligently working on getting
  subpixel layout up and running in WebKit. After much testing, we
  settled on a fixed point implementation instead of floats; we're happy
  to discuss how we arrived at this decision. We're currently in a state
  where we pass most of the layout tests and many (but not all) of the
  remaining failures are due to rounding differences that are desirable.
 
  As such, we've moved our efforts to a public branch on the WebKit.org
  svn server, and would love early feedback and advice. Our branch
  currently runs the following ports: Mac, Qt, Chromium-Linux, and
  Chromium-Mac. Any advice or help bringing up other platforms would be
  greatly appreciated.
 
  You can check our work out here:
  http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/branches/subpixellayout
  (currently branched from r98654 and we'll continue to track head by a
  day or two)
 
  Thanks,
  Emil and Levi
 
 
 
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Re: [webkit-dev] Subpixel Layout Update

2012-02-10 Thread Adam Barth
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@google.com wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@google.com wrote:
  WebKittens,
 
  We're planning to wrap up our conversion of the RenderTree to subpixel
  units
  next week. We've created a the following wiki page to help explain the
  changes we are making: https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/LayoutUnit If you
  work
  on the rendering code, please take a look and talk to Emil and me if you
  have any questions.
 
  This will effect a large number of layout test expectations as well as
  some
  platform interfaces. If you are working on or maintaining a port other
  than
  Apple, Qt, and Chromium, please touch bases with us.

 We've been talking about turning on mock scroll bars for Chromium.
 Would it make sense to do that at the same time to minimize the number
 of baseline updates?

 It would allow us to make only one WebKit sheriff's life miserable instead
 of two, but the changes don't really relate in any other meaningful way.

I meant it would let us update the PNGs once instead of twice.

Adam


  On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@chromium.org
  wrote:
 
  WebKittens,
 
  As you may know, Emil and I have been diligently working on getting
  subpixel layout up and running in WebKit. After much testing, we
  settled on a fixed point implementation instead of floats; we're happy
  to discuss how we arrived at this decision. We're currently in a state
  where we pass most of the layout tests and many (but not all) of the
  remaining failures are due to rounding differences that are desirable.
 
  As such, we've moved our efforts to a public branch on the WebKit.org
  svn server, and would love early feedback and advice. Our branch
  currently runs the following ports: Mac, Qt, Chromium-Linux, and
  Chromium-Mac. Any advice or help bringing up other platforms would be
  greatly appreciated.
 
  You can check our work out here:
  http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/branches/subpixellayout
  (currently branched from r98654 and we'll continue to track head by a
  day or two)
 
  Thanks,
  Emil and Levi
 
 
 
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Re: [webkit-dev] Subpixel Layout Update

2012-02-10 Thread Levi Weintraub
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@google.com wrote:
  On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote:
 
  On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@google.com
 wrote:
   WebKittens,
  
   We're planning to wrap up our conversion of the RenderTree to subpixel
   units
   next week. We've created a the following wiki page to help explain the
   changes we are making: https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/LayoutUnit If you
   work
   on the rendering code, please take a look and talk to Emil and me if
 you
   have any questions.
  
   This will effect a large number of layout test expectations as well as
   some
   platform interfaces. If you are working on or maintaining a port other
   than
   Apple, Qt, and Chromium, please touch bases with us.
 
  We've been talking about turning on mock scroll bars for Chromium.
  Would it make sense to do that at the same time to minimize the number
  of baseline updates?
 
  It would allow us to make only one WebKit sheriff's life miserable
 instead
  of two, but the changes don't really relate in any other meaningful way.

 I meant it would let us update the PNGs once instead of twice.

 Of course. We're only looking at something on the order of 500-600 layout
test expectation updates, which I believe is quite a bit smaller than the
mock scrollbar update, but we're totally interested in saving this effort.
Who should we talk to about aligning these changes?


 Adam


   On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@chromium.org
   wrote:
  
   WebKittens,
  
   As you may know, Emil and I have been diligently working on getting
   subpixel layout up and running in WebKit. After much testing, we
   settled on a fixed point implementation instead of floats; we're
 happy
   to discuss how we arrived at this decision. We're currently in a
 state
   where we pass most of the layout tests and many (but not all) of the
   remaining failures are due to rounding differences that are
 desirable.
  
   As such, we've moved our efforts to a public branch on the WebKit.org
   svn server, and would love early feedback and advice. Our branch
   currently runs the following ports: Mac, Qt, Chromium-Linux, and
   Chromium-Mac. Any advice or help bringing up other platforms would be
   greatly appreciated.
  
   You can check our work out here:
   http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/branches/subpixellayout
   (currently branched from r98654 and we'll continue to track head by a
   day or two)
  
   Thanks,
   Emil and Levi
  
  
  
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Re: [webkit-dev] Subpixel Layout Update

2012-02-10 Thread Adam Barth
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@google.com wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@google.com wrote:
  On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote:
 
  On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@google.com
  wrote:
   WebKittens,
  
   We're planning to wrap up our conversion of the RenderTree to
   subpixel
   units
   next week. We've created a the following wiki page to help explain
   the
   changes we are making: https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/LayoutUnit If you
   work
   on the rendering code, please take a look and talk to Emil and me if
   you
   have any questions.
  
   This will effect a large number of layout test expectations as well
   as
   some
   platform interfaces. If you are working on or maintaining a port
   other
   than
   Apple, Qt, and Chromium, please touch bases with us.
 
  We've been talking about turning on mock scroll bars for Chromium.
  Would it make sense to do that at the same time to minimize the number
  of baseline updates?
 
  It would allow us to make only one WebKit sheriff's life miserable
  instead
  of two, but the changes don't really relate in any other meaningful way.

 I meant it would let us update the PNGs once instead of twice.

 Of course. We're only looking at something on the order of 500-600 layout
 test expectation updates, which I believe is quite a bit smaller than the
 mock scrollbar update, but we're totally interested in saving this effort.
 Who should we talk to about aligning these changes?

Oh, if it's only 500-600, then it's probably not worthwhile.

Adam


   On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Levi Weintraub le...@chromium.org
   wrote:
  
   WebKittens,
  
   As you may know, Emil and I have been diligently working on getting
   subpixel layout up and running in WebKit. After much testing, we
   settled on a fixed point implementation instead of floats; we're
   happy
   to discuss how we arrived at this decision. We're currently in a
   state
   where we pass most of the layout tests and many (but not all) of the
   remaining failures are due to rounding differences that are
   desirable.
  
   As such, we've moved our efforts to a public branch on the
   WebKit.org
   svn server, and would love early feedback and advice. Our branch
   currently runs the following ports: Mac, Qt, Chromium-Linux, and
   Chromium-Mac. Any advice or help bringing up other platforms would
   be
   greatly appreciated.
  
   You can check our work out here:
   http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/branches/subpixellayout
   (currently branched from r98654 and we'll continue to track head by
   a
   day or two)
  
   Thanks,
   Emil and Levi
  
  
  
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Re: [webkit-dev] Subpixel Layout Update

2012-02-10 Thread Emil A Eklund
 I meant it would let us update the PNGs once instead of twice.

Ah, that's a good point. We're only touching about 500 pixel tests
so it wouldn't be too bad if we had to do it twice. Might be nice to
avoid though.
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