Re: [webkit-dev] Feature announcement: HTMLTemplateElement
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Rafael Weinstein rafa...@chromium.orgwrote: Hello, WebKit! I plan to start landing the implementation of the HTMLTemplateElement (behind a compile flag). The spec is here: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/templates/index.html A recent discussion on public-webapps explored the issue and considered alternative approaches, but ultimately converged back to the semantics described in the spec above. The spec has support from Microsoft. Google (spec authors) and Mozilla. How much support? Have they implemented? Deployed? What test suites are available? What is the W3C plan for adopting this feature in the official W3C HTML5.* spec track? The meta bug is here: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103547 ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Feature announcement: HTMLTemplateElement
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Rafael Weinstein rafa...@chromium.orgwrote: Hello, WebKit! I plan to start landing the implementation of the HTMLTemplateElement (behind a compile flag). The spec is here: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/templates/index.html A recent discussion on public-webapps explored the issue and considered alternative approaches, but ultimately converged back to the semantics described in the spec above. The spec has support from Microsoft. Google (spec authors) and Mozilla. How much support? Have they implemented? Deployed? What test suites are available? What is the W3C plan for adopting this feature in the official W3C HTML5.* spec track? We don’t typically require test suites to be available prior to implementing it in WebKit or it be in the official HTML5 specification. - R. Niwa ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Feature announcement: HTMLTemplateElement
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Rafael Weinstein rafa...@chromium.orgwrote: Hello, WebKit! I plan to start landing the implementation of the HTMLTemplateElement (behind a compile flag). The spec is here: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/templates/index.html A recent discussion on public-webapps explored the issue and considered alternative approaches, but ultimately converged back to the semantics described in the spec above. The spec has support from Microsoft. Google (spec authors) and Mozilla. How much support? Have they implemented? Deployed? What test suites are available? What is the W3C plan for adopting this feature in the official W3C HTML5.* spec track? We don’t typically require test suites to be available prior to implementing it in WebKit or it be in the official HTML5 specification. I didnt' suggest it was. However, if test suites are not available, then I would wonder about the maturity and or consensus status within the W3C arena. I ask because I'm curious about the maturity/stability of this feature. I also find it useful to apply a degree of caution to features that are coming from WHATWG if there is no counter-commitment to move those features forward in the official W3C REC track. ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Feature announcement: HTMLTemplateElement
On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Rafael Weinstein rafa...@chromium.org wrote: Hello, WebKit! I plan to start landing the implementation of the HTMLTemplateElement (behind a compile flag). The spec is here: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/templates/index.html A recent discussion on public-webapps explored the issue and considered alternative approaches, but ultimately converged back to the semantics described in the spec above. The spec has support from Microsoft. Google (spec authors) and Mozilla. How much support? Have they implemented? Deployed? What test suites are available? What is the W3C plan for adopting this feature in the official W3C HTML5.* spec track? We don’t typically require test suites to be available prior to implementing it in WebKit or it be in the official HTML5 specification. I didnt' suggest it was. However, if test suites are not available, then I would wonder about the maturity and or consensus status within the W3C arena. I ask because I'm curious about the maturity/stability of this feature. I also find it useful to apply a degree of caution to features that are coming from WHATWG if there is no counter-commitment to move those features forward in the official W3C REC track. template has a w3c spec proposal that has been discussed extensively in Web Apps WG. If there are explicit statements of support from Mozilla and.or Microsoft it might be good to cite those. I have sort of followed the discussions but can't speak to the maturity level here. Regards, Maciej ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Feature announcement: HTMLTemplateElement
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Rafael Weinstein rafa...@chromium.org wrote: Hello, WebKit! I plan to start landing the implementation of the HTMLTemplateElement (behind a compile flag). The spec is here: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/templates/index.html A recent discussion on public-webapps explored the issue and considered alternative approaches, but ultimately converged back to the semantics described in the spec above. The spec has support from Microsoft. Google (spec authors) and Mozilla. How much support? Have they implemented? Deployed? What test suites are available? What is the W3C plan for adopting this feature in the official W3C HTML5.* spec track? We don’t typically require test suites to be available prior to implementing it in WebKit or it be in the official HTML5 specification. I didnt' suggest it was. However, if test suites are not available, then I would wonder about the maturity and or consensus status within the W3C arena. I ask because I'm curious about the maturity/stability of this feature. I also find it useful to apply a degree of caution to features that are coming from WHATWG if there is no counter-commitment to move those features forward in the official W3C REC track. Our intention is to move these this spec through the W3C REC process and update the implementation as the spec evolves. As Maciej says, there has already been a good deal of discussion about this spec in the WebApps working group. It's not clear to me whether it's more appropriate for the WebApps working group (where much if the other web components work is taking place) or the HTML working group (where HTML parsing is defined). I'm sure that's something we'll need to discuss with the chairs and the W3C team at the appropriate time. Adam ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Feature announcement: HTMLTemplateElement
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Rafael Weinstein rafa...@chromium.org wrote: Hello, WebKit! I plan to start landing the implementation of the HTMLTemplateElement (behind a compile flag). The spec is here: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/templates/index.html A recent discussion on public-webapps explored the issue and considered alternative approaches, but ultimately converged back to the semantics described in the spec above. The spec has support from Microsoft. Google (spec authors) and Mozilla. How much support? Have they implemented? Deployed? What test suites are available? What is the W3C plan for adopting this feature in the official W3C HTML5.* spec track? The spec is currently in the WebApps: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus My assumption is that unless someone objects to it being there (rather than HTML), it will stay. Microsoft co-edited the spec, and made a public statement of support here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012OctDec/0336.html Mozilla indicated they are looking at implementing here: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17930#c3 There is an test suite included in this bug which adds to the existing html5lib test suite, which can later be merged back to w3c. We don’t typically require test suites to be available prior to implementing it in WebKit or it be in the official HTML5 specification. I didnt' suggest it was. However, if test suites are not available, then I would wonder about the maturity and or consensus status within the W3C arena. I ask because I'm curious about the maturity/stability of this feature. I also find it useful to apply a degree of caution to features that are coming from WHATWG if there is no counter-commitment to move those features forward in the official W3C REC track. Our intention is to move these this spec through the W3C REC process and update the implementation as the spec evolves. As Maciej says, there has already been a good deal of discussion about this spec in the WebApps working group. It's not clear to me whether it's more appropriate for the WebApps working group (where much if the other web components work is taking place) or the HTML working group (where HTML parsing is defined). I'm sure that's something we'll need to discuss with the chairs and the W3C team at the appropriate time. Adam ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Feature announcement: HTMLTemplateElement
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Rafael Weinstein rafa...@chromium.orgwrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Rafael Weinstein rafa...@chromium.org wrote: Hello, WebKit! I plan to start landing the implementation of the HTMLTemplateElement (behind a compile flag). The spec is here: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/templates/index.html A recent discussion on public-webapps explored the issue and considered alternative approaches, but ultimately converged back to the semantics described in the spec above. The spec has support from Microsoft. Google (spec authors) and Mozilla. How much support? Have they implemented? Deployed? What test suites are available? What is the W3C plan for adopting this feature in the official W3C HTML5.* spec track? The spec is currently in the WebApps: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus My assumption is that unless someone objects to it being there (rather than HTML), it will stay. Microsoft co-edited the spec, and made a public statement of support here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012OctDec/0336.html Mozilla indicated they are looking at implementing here: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17930#c3 There is an test suite included in this bug which adds to the existing html5lib test suite, which can later be merged back to w3c. Thanks for the additional detail. It looks like this has sufficient support to move forward. We might want to determine whether or not any vendor specific prefixing is needed before moving into wider exposure, but I trust that reviewers will take this into account. We don’t typically require test suites to be available prior to implementing it in WebKit or it be in the official HTML5 specification. I didnt' suggest it was. However, if test suites are not available, then I would wonder about the maturity and or consensus status within the W3C arena. I ask because I'm curious about the maturity/stability of this feature. I also find it useful to apply a degree of caution to features that are coming from WHATWG if there is no counter-commitment to move those features forward in the official W3C REC track. Our intention is to move these this spec through the W3C REC process and update the implementation as the spec evolves. As Maciej says, there has already been a good deal of discussion about this spec in the WebApps working group. It's not clear to me whether it's more appropriate for the WebApps working group (where much if the other web components work is taking place) or the HTML working group (where HTML parsing is defined). I'm sure that's something we'll need to discuss with the chairs and the W3C team at the appropriate time. Adam ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
[webkit-dev] Feature announcement: HTMLTemplateElement
Hello, WebKit! I plan to start landing the implementation of the HTMLTemplateElement (behind a compile flag). The spec is here: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/templates/index.html A recent discussion on public-webapps explored the issue and considered alternative approaches, but ultimately converged back to the semantics described in the spec above. The spec has support from Microsoft. Google (spec authors) and Mozilla. The meta bug is here: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103547 Let me know if you have questions or concerns Cheers Rafael ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
