Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Darin Adler]

On Dec 16, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Hugo Lima  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Anders Carlsson  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m about to land a patch that will require variadic templates, and I plan 
>> to do the same thing for range-based for loops. These are both supported by 
>> GCC 4.6.
>> 
>> Going forward I’d really like us to start using template aliases, which is a 
>> 4.7 feature. If that’s a problem we can hold off that for the time being.
> 
> If such features will be mandatory why not also avoid OVERRIDE, FINAL,
> etc macros and use the C++ the real keywords directly since all
> compilers supporting variadic templates also support those keywords?

Yes, we’ll do that soon.

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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Hugo Lima]

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Anders Carlsson  wrote:
>
> I’m about to land a patch that will require variadic templates, and I plan to 
> do the same thing for range-based for loops. These are both supported by GCC 
> 4.6.
>
> Going forward I’d really like us to start using template aliases, which is a 
> 4.7 feature. If that’s a problem we can hold off that for the time being.

If such features will be mandatory why not also avoid OVERRIDE, FINAL,
etc macros and use the C++ the real keywords directly since all
compilers supporting variadic templates also support those keywords?

- Hugo

> - Anders
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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Anders Carlsson]

On Dec 9, 2013, at 2:43 AM, Osztrogonác Csaba  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> is there any plan to use more C++11 featurese not mentioned here?
> 
> I just ask it, because many of us still use Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with
> its default compiler - GCC 4.6. (Now EFL and Nix port builds fine.)
> 
> So my question is if we will need GCC 4.7 or 4.8 in the near future
> because of using C++11 featurese not supported by older compilers?
> 
> You can find here the GCC's C++11 support table:
> http://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx0x.html

I’m about to land a patch that will require variadic templates, and I plan to 
do the same thing for range-based for loops. These are both supported by GCC 
4.6.

Going forward I’d really like us to start using template aliases, which is a 
4.7 feature. If that’s a problem we can hold off that for the time being.

- Anders

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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Alex Christensen]

I have working 32-bit and 64-bit WinCairo and WinCairoRequirements
builds from VS2013 on my computer, and they even work on Windows XP.  I'll
upstream my changes as soon as I can.  We're ready for the switch on our
end.

Alex Christensen


On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Mital Vora  wrote:

> This is great news !! Looking forward to see WinCairo on VS2013 :) Good
> Work guys !
>
> Regards,
>
> Mital Vora.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Brent Fulgham  wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> We are working hard to move WebKit toward stronger adoption of C++11
>> features, such as variadic templates, ranged for-loops, and initializer
>> lists. Unfortunately, this effort has been hampered by the small subset of
>> C++11 features available in Visual Studio 2010.
>>
>> You can get a feel for the level of C++11 support in the last few
>> versions of Visual Studio here:
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx
>>
>> With Visual Studio 2013, we finally have access to a compiler that
>> supports the major C++11 features we need. Consequently, we intend to
>> switch to VS2013 and begin taking advantage of these new language
>> constructs.
>>
>> Over the next week we will be landed a series of source changes that
>> allow WebKit to be built with VS2013, but will continue to build with
>> VS2010 on our build machines.  Next Friday, we plan to land project file
>> changes to switch to the new compiler, and will simultaneously convert our
>> build system to use VS2013 as well.
>>
>> Once the revised project files are landed, we will no longer be
>> officially supporting Visual Studio 2010 as a compiler target.
>>
>> For those playing at home, you can track progress by following
>> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125192.
>>
>> WebKit continues to build with the free “Visual Studio 2013 Express”
>> software, so I do not anticipate that this change will block any external
>> developers from running Windows builds.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Brent
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[PERIER Romain]

Hi,

you can at least install gcc4.7 easily , see
http://askubuntu.com/questions/113291/how-do-i-install-gcc-4-7  (and yes
there is a ppa for that)


Regards,
Romain


2013/12/9 Žan Doberšek 

> There's a PPA available for Ubuntu 12.04 that provides both GCC 4.7 and
> 4.8.
>
> Is that an option?
>
> Cheers,
> Zan
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Osztrogonác Csaba 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> is there any plan to use more C++11 featurese not mentioned here?
>>
>> I just ask it, because many of us still use Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with
>> its default compiler - GCC 4.6. (Now EFL and Nix port builds fine.)
>>
>> So my question is if we will need GCC 4.7 or 4.8 in the near future
>> because of using C++11 featurese not supported by older compilers?
>>
>> You can find here the GCC's C++11 support table:
>> http://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx0x.html
>>
>> Ossy
>>
>>
>> Anders Carlsson írta:
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Brent Fulgham >> bfulg...@apple.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Alex,

 There are a few items missing from VS2012 (see
 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx) that we
 are already using in the Mac-specific source code:

 1. Variadic Templates
 2. Initializer Lists
 3. Explicit conversion operators
 4. Deleted functions

>>>
>>> 5. range-based for loops.
>>>
>>> - Anders
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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Žan Doberšek]

There's a PPA available for Ubuntu 12.04 that provides both GCC 4.7 and 4.8.

Is that an option?

Cheers,
Zan


On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Osztrogonác Csaba wrote:

> Hi,
>
> is there any plan to use more C++11 featurese not mentioned here?
>
> I just ask it, because many of us still use Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with
> its default compiler - GCC 4.6. (Now EFL and Nix port builds fine.)
>
> So my question is if we will need GCC 4.7 or 4.8 in the near future
> because of using C++11 featurese not supported by older compilers?
>
> You can find here the GCC's C++11 support table:
> http://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx0x.html
>
> Ossy
>
>
> Anders Carlsson írta:
>
>
>> On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Brent Fulgham > bfulg...@apple.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> There are a few items missing from VS2012 (see
>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx) that we
>>> are already using in the Mac-specific source code:
>>>
>>> 1. Variadic Templates
>>> 2. Initializer Lists
>>> 3. Explicit conversion operators
>>> 4. Deleted functions
>>>
>>
>> 5. range-based for loops.
>>
>> - Anders
>>
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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Osztrogonác Csaba]

Hi,

is there any plan to use more C++11 featurese not mentioned here?

I just ask it, because many of us still use Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with
its default compiler - GCC 4.6. (Now EFL and Nix port builds fine.)

So my question is if we will need GCC 4.7 or 4.8 in the near future
because of using C++11 featurese not supported by older compilers?

You can find here the GCC's C++11 support table:
http://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx0x.html

Ossy


Anders Carlsson írta:


On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Brent Fulgham > wrote:



Hi Alex,

There are a few items missing from VS2012 
(see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx) 
that we are already using in the Mac-specific source code:


1. Variadic Templates
2. Initializer Lists
3. Explicit conversion operators
4. Deleted functions


5. range-based for loops.

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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Mital Vora]

This is great news !! Looking forward to see WinCairo on VS2013 :) Good
Work guys !

Regards,

Mital Vora.


On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Brent Fulgham  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> We are working hard to move WebKit toward stronger adoption of C++11
> features, such as variadic templates, ranged for-loops, and initializer
> lists. Unfortunately, this effort has been hampered by the small subset of
> C++11 features available in Visual Studio 2010.
>
> You can get a feel for the level of C++11 support in the last few versions
> of Visual Studio here:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx
>
> With Visual Studio 2013, we finally have access to a compiler that
> supports the major C++11 features we need. Consequently, we intend to
> switch to VS2013 and begin taking advantage of these new language
> constructs.
>
> Over the next week we will be landed a series of source changes that allow
> WebKit to be built with VS2013, but will continue to build with VS2010 on
> our build machines.  Next Friday, we plan to land project file changes to
> switch to the new compiler, and will simultaneously convert our build
> system to use VS2013 as well.
>
> Once the revised project files are landed, we will no longer be officially
> supporting Visual Studio 2010 as a compiler target.
>
> For those playing at home, you can track progress by following
> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125192.
>
> WebKit continues to build with the free “Visual Studio 2013 Express”
> software, so I do not anticipate that this change will block any external
> developers from running Windows builds.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Brent
>
>
>
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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Alex Christensen]

You talked me into it!  I'll go get VS2013.  I hope it crashes less than
VS2010, too.

Alex


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Anders Carlsson  wrote:

>
> On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Brent Fulgham  wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> There are a few items missing from VS2012 (see
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx) that we
> are already using in the Mac-specific source code:
>
> 1. Variadic Templates
> 2. Initializer Lists
> 3. Explicit conversion operators
> 4. Deleted functions
>
>
> 5. range-based for loops.
>
> - Anders
>
>
>


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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Anders Carlsson]

On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Brent Fulgham  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> There are a few items missing from VS2012 (see 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx) that we are 
> already using in the Mac-specific source code:
> 
> 1. Variadic Templates
> 2. Initializer Lists
> 3. Explicit conversion operators
> 4. Deleted functions

5. range-based for loops.

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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Brent Fulgham]

Hi Alex,

There are a few items missing from VS2012 (see 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx) that we are 
already using in the Mac-specific source code:

1. Variadic Templates
2. Initializer Lists
3. Explicit conversion operators
4. Deleted functions

None of those items are supported in VS2012, and we would like to expand their 
use to the rest of WebKit.  Clang and GCC already support these features, so 
VS2012 (and earlier) hold the rest of the project back.

-Brent


On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Alex Christensen  
wrote:

> Is there any advantage of VS2013 instead of VS2012?  I've been using VS2012 
> for a while, and it works fine.  It also has the C++11 features we want to 
> use.  Staying one version behind the latest usually prevents updates from 
> breaking things.
> 
> Alex Christensen
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Brent Fulgham  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> We are working hard to move WebKit toward stronger adoption of C++11 
> features, such as variadic templates, ranged for-loops, and initializer 
> lists. Unfortunately, this effort has been hampered by the small subset of 
> C++11 features available in Visual Studio 2010.
> 
> You can get a feel for the level of C++11 support in the last few versions of 
> Visual Studio here:
>   http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx
> 
> With Visual Studio 2013, we finally have access to a compiler that supports 
> the major C++11 features we need. Consequently, we intend to switch to VS2013 
> and begin taking advantage of these new language constructs.
> 
> Over the next week we will be landed a series of source changes that allow 
> WebKit to be built with VS2013, but will continue to build with VS2010 on our 
> build machines.  Next Friday, we plan to land project file changes to switch 
> to the new compiler, and will simultaneously convert our build system to use 
> VS2013 as well.
> 
> Once the revised project files are landed, we will no longer be officially 
> supporting Visual Studio 2010 as a compiler target.
> 
> For those playing at home, you can track progress by following 
> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125192.
> 
> WebKit continues to build with the free “Visual Studio 2013 Express” 
> software, so I do not anticipate that this change will block any external 
> developers from running Windows builds.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Brent
> 
> 
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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Alex Christensen]

Is there any advantage of VS2013 instead of VS2012?  I've been using VS2012
for a while, and it works fine.  It also has the C++11 features we want to
use.  Staying one version behind the latest usually prevents updates from
breaking things.

Alex Christensen


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Brent Fulgham  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> We are working hard to move WebKit toward stronger adoption of C++11
> features, such as variadic templates, ranged for-loops, and initializer
> lists. Unfortunately, this effort has been hampered by the small subset of
> C++11 features available in Visual Studio 2010.
>
> You can get a feel for the level of C++11 support in the last few versions
> of Visual Studio here:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx
>
> With Visual Studio 2013, we finally have access to a compiler that
> supports the major C++11 features we need. Consequently, we intend to
> switch to VS2013 and begin taking advantage of these new language
> constructs.
>
> Over the next week we will be landed a series of source changes that allow
> WebKit to be built with VS2013, but will continue to build with VS2010 on
> our build machines.  Next Friday, we plan to land project file changes to
> switch to the new compiler, and will simultaneously convert our build
> system to use VS2013 as well.
>
> Once the revised project files are landed, we will no longer be officially
> supporting Visual Studio 2010 as a compiler target.
>
> For those playing at home, you can track progress by following
> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125192.
>
> WebKit continues to build with the free “Visual Studio 2013 Express”
> software, so I do not anticipate that this change will block any external
> developers from running Windows builds.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Brent
>
>
>
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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Romain Perier]

Wonderful ! C++11 is a great norm, good news ! ;)


Le 6 déc. 2013 à 23:53, Brent Fulgham  a écrit :

Hi Everyone,

We are working hard to move WebKit toward stronger adoption of C++11
features, such as variadic templates, ranged for-loops, and initializer
lists. Unfortunately, this effort has been hampered by the small subset of
C++11 features available in Visual Studio 2010.

You can get a feel for the level of C++11 support in the last few versions
of Visual Studio here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx

With Visual Studio 2013, we finally have access to a compiler that supports
the major C++11 features we need. Consequently, we intend to switch to
VS2013 and begin taking advantage of these new language constructs.

Over the next week we will be landed a series of source changes that allow
WebKit to be built with VS2013, but will continue to build with VS2010 on
our build machines.  Next Friday, we plan to land project file changes to
switch to the new compiler, and will simultaneously convert our build
system to use VS2013 as well.

Once the revised project files are landed, we will no longer be officially
supporting Visual Studio 2010 as a compiler target.

For those playing at home, you can track progress by following
https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125192.

WebKit continues to build with the free “Visual Studio 2013 Express”
software, so I do not anticipate that this change will block any external
developers from running Windows builds.

Thanks,

-Brent



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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Benjamin Poulain]

That is awesome. Great work!

Benjamin

On 12/6/13, 2:53 PM, Brent Fulgham wrote:

Hi Everyone,

We are working hard to move WebKit toward stronger adoption of C++11
features, such as variadic templates, ranged for-loops, and initializer
lists. Unfortunately, this effort has been hampered by the small subset
of C++11 features available in Visual Studio 2010.

You can get a feel for the level of C++11 support in the last few
versions of Visual Studio here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx

With Visual Studio 2013, we finally have access to a compiler that
supports the major C++11 features we need. Consequently, we intend to
switch to VS2013 and begin taking advantage of these new language
constructs.

Over the next week we will be landed a series of source changes that
allow WebKit to be built with VS2013, but will continue to build with
VS2010 on our build machines.  Next Friday, we plan to land project file
changes to switch to the new compiler, and will simultaneously convert
our build system to use VS2013 as well.

Once the revised project files are landed, we will no longer be
officially supporting Visual Studio 2010 as a compiler target.

For those playing at home, you can track progress by following
https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125192.

WebKit continues to build with the free “Visual Studio 2013 Express”
software, so I do not anticipate that this change will block any
external developers from running Windows builds.

Thanks,

-Brent





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[webkit-dev] WebKit, C++11, and Visual Studio 2013

[Brent Fulgham]

Hi Everyone,

We are working hard to move WebKit toward stronger adoption of C++11 features, 
such as variadic templates, ranged for-loops, and initializer lists. 
Unfortunately, this effort has been hampered by the small subset of C++11 
features available in Visual Studio 2010.

You can get a feel for the level of C++11 support in the last few versions of 
Visual Studio here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx

With Visual Studio 2013, we finally have access to a compiler that supports the 
major C++11 features we need. Consequently, we intend to switch to VS2013 and 
begin taking advantage of these new language constructs.

Over the next week we will be landed a series of source changes that allow 
WebKit to be built with VS2013, but will continue to build with VS2010 on our 
build machines.  Next Friday, we plan to land project file changes to switch to 
the new compiler, and will simultaneously convert our build system to use 
VS2013 as well.

Once the revised project files are landed, we will no longer be officially 
supporting Visual Studio 2010 as a compiler target.

For those playing at home, you can track progress by following 
https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125192.

WebKit continues to build with the free “Visual Studio 2013 Express” software, 
so I do not anticipate that this change will block any external developers from 
running Windows builds.

Thanks,

-Brent



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