Hi Benjamin,
Thank you for the feedback.
I haven’t heard a response from them and haven’t asked any other vendor
directly.. I started with Webkit first as that’s what I’m most familiar with,
and our fashion audience is mostly Mac/iOS Safari anyways. (then Chrome, then
IE, then finally a bit of Firefox)
I’ll check with the other vendors, but right now is it a definite no or more of
skepticism/not enough info? (which is fine, as I expect this process to take
years to go through, figure out specs, security holes, prototypes,
implementations, etc..)
I’m looking at this as more of a standard enhancement to HTML, usable by the
200 million Tumblr blogs, or 75 million Wordpress sites, that aren’t doing
complex apps, but just basic document reading. All these sites have to reload
full pages, but this proposal would allow their pages to be served quicker,
without forcing these hundreds of million sites to go through Javascript.
Lots of these sites are run by high-school kids, and forcing them to go through
Angular or Ember or React would probably be too much, so they’re stuck with
full page refreshes done by A href=“”. Javascript would be a huge impediment
to their basic needs, as it’s infinitely more complex than HTML.
Some of the comments and feedback web developers put out include that view as
well, that declarative dynamic reloads should have been a basic part of HTML.
-bobby
On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Benjamin Poulain benja...@webkit.org wrote:
IMHO JavaScript is a better solution for this. Instead of baking a custom
solution into the engine that solve a single use case, we have a fast
lightweight language that let you solve any use cases you have.
Did any vendor actually respond positively to the whatwg proposal?
Benjamin
On 3/27/15 12:49 AM, Bobby Mozumder wrote:
Hi,
I submitted a proposal to W3C WHATWG to enhance HTML to support
single-page apps without using Javascript:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2015Mar/0071.html
And here’s a document on Github that’s clearer than that email:
https://github.com/mozumder/html6
This proposal somehow went viral:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2901436/internet/faster-web-page-loading-without-javascript.html
(includes an analyst quote)
http://sdtimes.com/w3c-member-proposes-single-page-apps-without-javascript-in-html6/
(been a top trending story for the last week)
http://blog.smartbear.com/web-development/html6-apis-as-natural-friends/
http://jaxenter.com/html6-proposal-for-single-page-apps-without-javascript-causes-scandal-115919.html
and lots more, in different languages around the world. If you search
“html6” on Twitter, you’ll see. There are hundreds or thousands of
shares, upvotes, comments, etc.
So it looks like a lot of people want something like this to happen. I
believe it represents web developers’ dissatisfaction in having to use
these Javascript frameworks to do something basic that should have been
a part of the HTML spec, that is, dynamic loading of content. I put
this proposal out there as a result of my own frustrations with these
frameworks being constantly redesigned.
I’m checking if there’s any interest from the Webkit team on this? I’m
trying to plan the next steps and probably wouldn’t proceed without at
least some sort of interest or guidance from the browser vendors.
(maybe this is technically impossible, etc..) Next steps would
probably include working on a full spec, and possibly implementation. I
have built WebKit nightly before, but haven’t modified any of its code,
and I suspect something like this would be way beyond me time-wise to
fully implement myself, but if there’s interest, I could possibly figure
out some options.
Anyways do let me know of any interest.
-bobby
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