Re: WOComponent for Displaying PDF Problem
Hi Amedeo -
Thanks for the code. I compared your code to mine and
they are the same. Now when I go to the output page I
get the following displayed:
%PDF-1.3 %? 2 0 obj /Length 4 0 R /Filter
/FlateDecode stream
x??}[?\???;~E?l ;??2???$?=#????B?E?v??? ?8Y-?UH
3?D? e? ??;?N?uxwx??q??p??7;??6??4{??K???#_l?\??2ke ??[?
]??!6Hb?,6??Si?B???S???q??G?y??w?
K??X????j?a5?zgQ[??ML?D??xAK?+b????{.+p[?:?
bC?|J??xX???#*+i?Mr(ld?Y???L?b????v??bF?iV?[Z???-5?V7?d?? ??}
?\?? ..
This is just the first couple of lines. When viewing
the source of the page it is the same as what is
displayed on the page. There is no html header
information in the source. Is this ok?
Here is my code for the output page:
_pdfData and _fileName are being set on the previous
page
public class PDFViewer extends WOComponent {
private NSData _pdfData;
private String _fileName;
public PDFViewer(WOContext context) {
super(context);
}
public void setPdfData(NSData newPDFData) {
_pdfData = newPDFData;
}
public NSData pdfData() {
return _pdfData;
}
public void setFileName(String aFileName) {
_fileName = aFileName;
}
public String fileName() {
return _fileName;
}
public void appendToResponse(WOResponse aResponse,
WOContext arg1) {
super.appendToResponse(aResponse, arg1);
if (pdfData() != null) {
aResponse.disableClientCaching();
aResponse.removeHeadersForKey(Cache-Control);
aResponse.removeHeadersForKey(pragma);
aResponse.setHeader(application/pdf,
content-type);
aResponse.setHeader(inline; attachment;
filename=\+fileName()+\, content-disposition);
aResponse.setHeader(Integer.toString(pdfData().length()),
content-length);
aResponse.setContent(pdfData());
}
}
}
Thanks for the help.
Carter
--- Amedeo Mantica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi carter
look at this code in pdf output page
data is an NSData condaining the PDF data!!
public void appendToResponse(WOResponse response,
WOContext context)
{
super.appendToResponse(response, context);
if(data!=null) {
response.disableClientCaching();
response.removeHeadersForKey(Cahce-Control);
response.removeHeadersForKey(pragma);
response.setHeader(application/pdf,content-type);
response.setHeader(inline; attachment;
filename=\generated.pdf
\,content-disposition);
response.setHeader(Integer.toString(data.length()),content-lenght);
response.setContent(data);
}
}
On 13/ott/06, at 15:30, Carter Wojcik wrote:
Hi All -
I have followed Chuck Hill's example for
generating a
PDF in Practical WebObjects Chapter 11 XML and
WebObjects to create a WOComponent to retrieve a
pdf
from my database and display it in Safari. The
problem
I am having is that when the component is
displayed, I
end up with a blank browser page. But when I view
the
source, I can see that the pdf is there. My page
consists of only the component to display the pdf.
The component contains the code that Chuck
supplied in
his book (modified to use the database pdf instead
of
the generated pdf). Are there any additional
bindings/code that need to be added to correctly
display the pdf in Safari?
Thanks for all your help.
Carter
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Re: [SOLVED]Please Help!!! WebService wooes!
Le 06-10-15, à 09:42, Ute Hoffmann a écrit : Hallo, I found a workaround, still I would be very interested to knopw why that exception occured and what the proper way would have been to solve it. I somehow suspect the axis.jar of the server install was either wrong version or defect. I put the old version of the axis.jar from the MAc OS X 10.2 (something 2002) in place of the current axis file (something 2005) of the Mac Os X 10.4.x Server and copied the servlet.jar from the tomcat install on the server into /Library/WebObjects/Extensions and yes, the error message disapeared and the service started working again on the new system. Are you running WO 5.3 or 5.2.4 on the OS X Server box ? 5.2.x was using Axis 1.0, 5.3 is using 1.1. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: [SOLVED]Please Help!!! WebService wooes!
I'm running WO 5.3 and was running WO 5.2.2 on the old server, where the service worked and from which I finally took the axis.jar - now the webservice is running on the WO 5.3 box as well again. Question: The development server I did the compiling on runs on WebObjects 5.2.4. Could that have lead to my problems? Am Montag, 16.10.06 um 15:08 Uhr schrieb Pascal Robert: Le 06-10-15, à 09:42, Ute Hoffmann a écrit : Hallo, I found a workaround, still I would be very interested to knopw why that exception occured and what the proper way would have been to solve it. I somehow suspect the axis.jar of the server install was either wrong version or defect. I put the old version of the axis.jar from the MAc OS X 10.2 (something 2002) in place of the current axis file (something 2005) of the Mac Os X 10.4.x Server and copied the servlet.jar from the tomcat install on the server into /Library/WebObjects/Extensions and yes, the error message disapeared and the service started working again on the new system. Are you running WO 5.3 or 5.2.4 on the OS X Server box ? 5.2.x was using Axis 1.0, 5.3 is using 1.1. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: [External type] boolean vs bool / openbase vs mysql
Hi Benoit, If you think you will need to develop with MySQL, take a look at CocoaMySQL (http://cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/index.html). Its an open source application used to manage MySQL with a GUI, and its very easy to use. Good Luck! Jacky On 06-10-12, at 10:33, Cantin Benoit wrote: Robert Walker wrote: Cantin, While prototypes are the specific answer to your question; I was wondering what the benefit is in developing using OpenBase when your deployment database is MySQL. MySQL is a free download and a simple package install on Mac OS X. Isn't is more sensible to just develop and deploy using MySQL. You may have a very good reason for this, but I was just curious. Robert, It is just a matter of time. Openbase is convenient when developping since it is easier to change datas when using OpenBase Manager than writing command lines for Mysql. That's why, I am using OpenBase when developing. But I do not have OpenBase installed on the server used for deployment. You may say I should have installed Mysql to develop. The thing is that this is a temporary situation as we may install OpenBase in the near future on the server. That's why I keep developping with OpenBase. Of course, the situation is quite annoying. But I hope it won't be long. Cheers, -- Benoit ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jgagnon% 40druide.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: It's been months yet no new announcements?!
I'm interested in developing a few test WO applications, just for learning purposes. I don't have a Mac right now (sold my iBook to a good friend who needed a computer and didn't have a lot of money to invest), but I have researched some and found that the Eclipse IDE is worthwhile for Windows WO development. I have the Eclipse software installed and the WOLips add-on for WO development, but have realized that it actually requires the WO framework to be installed. Is there anywhere that I can get the framework for a Windows development box. I've seen references to downloading a trial version of WO for Windows 2000 once upon a time, but haven't found anything quite like that in ADC. I also noticed that the 5.2 version of WO is still available for purchase on the Apple store, but I just wanted to try it out and not invest in something that will likely be obsolete with the next release (hopefully, open source) of WO.I'm waiting for the next release of OSX to get another Mac, but would like to do some development and learning first. Then once I have my new Mac (probably a MacBook), I can start using the next version of XCode. I'm also wondering if the open source initiatives that were mentioned include releasing the WO framework into the public domain for free distribution. I like open-source and free (why I'm using Eclipse for development). I'd appreciate anyone pointing me in the right direction. ThanksJamey RushOn 10/15/06, M. Blanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 15 Oct 2006, at 16:28, James Cicenia wrote: Wasn't there supposed to be forthcoming open-source initiatives or such from Apple concerning WebObjects? Well, what happened?They've already release the info that properly documents the EO andWO bundles http://developer.apple.com/documentation/InternetWeb/Reference/WO_BundleReference/Introduction/Introduction.htmlWhat else do you need?Cheers--mbj ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Webobjects-dev mailing list(Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/russianj%40gmail.comThis email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: WOComponent for Displaying PDF Problem
Hi,On 06-10-16, at 09:06, Carter Wojcik wrote:Hi Amedeo -Thanks for the code. I compared your code to mine andthey are the same. Now when I go to the output page Iget the following displayed:%PDF-1.3 %? 2 0 obj /Length 4 0 R /Filter/FlateDecode streamx??}[?\???;~E?l ;??2???$?=#???"?B?E?v??? ?8Y-?UH3?D? e? ??;?N?uxwx??q??p??7;??6??4{??K???#_l?\??2ke ??[?]??!6Hb"?,6??Si?B???S???q??G?y??w? K??X????j?a5?zgQ[??ML?D??xAK?+b????{.+p[?:?bC?|J??xX???#*+i?Mr(ld?Y???L?b????v??bF?iV?[Z???-5?V7?d?? ??}?\?? ..This is your PDF data.This is just the first couple of lines. When viewingthe source of the page it is the same as what isdisplayed on the page. There is no html headerinformation in the source. Is this ok?There is no html header in a PDF document.If you set correctly the content type ("application/pdf"), safari is supposed to open the document with the PDF plug-in.Try to save the file on your desktop and open it with Preview or Acrobat Reader to see if they recognize the document.Did you check your run log for error/warning when you call pdfData()? Good Luck!Here is my code for the output page:_pdfData and _fileName are being set on the previouspagepublic class PDFViewer extends WOComponent { private NSData _pdfData; private String _fileName; public PDFViewer(WOContext context) { super(context); } public void setPdfData(NSData newPDFData) { _pdfData = newPDFData; } public NSData pdfData() { return _pdfData; } public void setFileName(String aFileName) { _fileName = aFileName; } public String fileName() { return _fileName; } public void appendToResponse(WOResponse aResponse,WOContext arg1) { super.appendToResponse(aResponse, arg1);if (pdfData() != null) { aResponse.disableClientCaching(); aResponse.removeHeadersForKey("Cache-Control"); aResponse.removeHeadersForKey("pragma"); aResponse.setHeader("application/pdf","content-type"); aResponse.setHeader("inline; attachment;filename=\""+fileName()+"\"", "content-disposition"); aResponse.setHeader(Integer.toString(pdfData().length()),"content-length"); aResponse.setContent(pdfData()); } }}Thanks for the help.Carter--- Amedeo Mantica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi carterlook at this code in pdf output pagedata is an NSData condaining the PDF data!! public void appendToResponse(WOResponse response,WOContext context) { super.appendToResponse(response, context); if(data!=null) { response.disableClientCaching(); response.removeHeadersForKey("Cahce-Control"); response.removeHeadersForKey("pragma"); response.setHeader("application/pdf","content-type"); response.setHeader("inline; attachment;filename=\"generated.pdf \"","content-disposition"); response.setHeader(Integer.toString(data.length()),"content-lenght"); response.setContent(data); } }On 13/ott/06, at 15:30, Carter Wojcik wrote: Hi All -I have followed Chuck Hill's example for generating a PDF in Practical WebObjects Chapter 11 XML andWebObjects to create a WOComponent to retrieve a pdf from my database and display it in Safari. The problem I am having is that when the component is displayed, I end up with a blank browser page. But when I view the source, I can see that the pdf is there. My pageconsists of only the component to display the pdf.The component contains the code that Chuck supplied in his book (modified to use the database pdf instead of the generated pdf). Are there any additionalbindings/code that need to be added to correctlydisplay the pdf in Safari?Thanks for all your help.Carter__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/amedeo% 40macintossicati.comThis email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jgagnon%40druide.comThis email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___
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Re: [SOLVED]Please Help!!! WebService wooes!
Ute, The version of Axis included with WO changes in WO 5.3 to be Axis 1.1. Between the differences of Axis 1.0 and 1.1 and the calls that WOWebServices makes to it, that could definitely cause some problems. I ran into a similar problem with JDK 1.5 and Axis 1.4. In that case, I think that I had tried to plug Axis 1.4 in for a non-WO application, and it disrupted a WebObjects web service (provider). In that case, I manually edited the classpath to point to Axis 1.1 for the WO app. The moral of the story is that I (a) would not suggest using a version of Axis different from that included with whatever version of WO you are using, and (b) you should test with the same WO version you use in production. As long as your'e using 5.3 in production, you may as well update the development server - it is a freebie, after all, as long as you've got 10.4 Server. Clark On 16 Oct 06, at 8:10 AM, Ute Hoffmann wrote: I'm running WO 5.3 and was running WO 5.2.2 on the old server, where the service worked and from which I finally took the axis.jar - now the webservice is running on the WO 5.3 box as well again. Question: The development server I did the compiling on runs on WebObjects 5.2.4. Could that have lead to my problems? Am Montag, 16.10.06 um 15:08 Uhr schrieb Pascal Robert: Le 06-10-15, à 09:42, Ute Hoffmann a écrit : Hallo, I found a workaround, still I would be very interested to knopw why that exception occured and what the proper way would have been to solve it. I somehow suspect the axis.jar of the server install was either wrong version or defect. I put the old version of the axis.jar from the MAc OS X 10.2 (something 2002) in place of the current axis file (something 2005) of the Mac Os X 10.4.x Server and copied the servlet.jar from the tomcat install on the server into /Library/WebObjects/ Extensions and yes, the error message disapeared and the service started working again on the new system. Are you running WO 5.3 or 5.2.4 on the OS X Server box ? 5.2.x was using Axis 1.0, 5.3 is using 1.1. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/cpmueller% 40mac.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: WOComponent for Displaying PDF Problem
HelloMay be a problem in yout application.java Class!!Make sure you don't have an appendToResponse override that set wrong header such as: setHeader("text/html;charset=utf-8", "Content-Type");If you need to use UTF-8 encoding... use in application.java public void appendToResponse(WOResponse r, WOContext c) { r.setContentEncoding("UTF-8"); super.appendToResponse(r,c); }then in your html headers add: meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8"and in your .woo: {"WebObjects Release" = "WebObjects 5.0"; encoding = NSUTF8StringEncoding; }regardsAmedeoOn 16/ott/06, at 17:47, Jacky Gagnon wrote:Hi,On 06-10-16, at 09:06, Carter Wojcik wrote:Hi Amedeo -Thanks for the code. I compared your code to mine andthey are the same. Now when I go to the output page Iget the following displayed:%PDF-1.3 %? 2 0 obj /Length 4 0 R /Filter/FlateDecode streamx??}[?\???;~E?l ;??2???$?=#???"?B?E?v??? ?8Y-?UH3?D? e? ??;?N?uxwx??q??p??7;??6??4{??K???#_l?\??2ke ??[?]??!6Hb"?,6??Si?B???S???q??G?y??w? K??X????j?a5?zgQ[??ML?D??xAK?+b????{.+p[?:?bC?|J??xX???#*+i?Mr(ld?Y???L?b????v??bF?iV?[Z???-5?V7?d?? ??}?\?? ..This is your PDF data.This is just the first couple of lines. When viewingthe source of the page it is the same as what isdisplayed on the page. There is no html headerinformation in the source. Is this ok?There is no html header in a PDF document.If you set correctly the content type ("application/pdf"), safari is supposed to open the document with the PDF plug-in.Try to save the file on your desktop and open it with Preview or Acrobat Reader to see if they recognize the document.Did you check your run log for error/warning when you call pdfData()? Good Luck!Here is my code for the output page:_pdfData and _fileName are being set on the previouspagepublic class PDFViewer extends WOComponent { private NSData _pdfData; private String _fileName; public PDFViewer(WOContext context) { super(context); } public void setPdfData(NSData newPDFData) { _pdfData = newPDFData; } public NSData pdfData() { return _pdfData; } public void setFileName(String aFileName) { _fileName = aFileName; } public String fileName() { return _fileName; } public void appendToResponse(WOResponse aResponse,WOContext arg1) { super.appendToResponse(aResponse, arg1);if (pdfData() != null) { aResponse.disableClientCaching(); aResponse.removeHeadersForKey("Cache-Control"); aResponse.removeHeadersForKey("pragma"); aResponse.setHeader("application/pdf","content-type"); aResponse.setHeader("inline; attachment;filename=\""+fileName()+"\"", "content-disposition"); aResponse.setHeader(Integer.toString(pdfData().length()),"content-length"); aResponse.setContent(pdfData()); } }}Thanks for the help.Carter--- Amedeo Mantica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi carterlook at this code in pdf output pagedata is an NSData condaining the PDF data!! public void appendToResponse(WOResponse response,WOContext context) { super.appendToResponse(response, context); if(data!=null) { response.disableClientCaching(); response.removeHeadersForKey("Cahce-Control"); response.removeHeadersForKey("pragma"); response.setHeader("application/pdf","content-type"); response.setHeader("inline; attachment;filename=\"generated.pdf \"","content-disposition"); response.setHeader(Integer.toString(data.length()),"content-lenght"); response.setContent(data); } }On 13/ott/06, at 15:30, Carter Wojcik wrote: Hi All -I have followed Chuck Hill's example for generating a PDF in Practical WebObjects Chapter 11 XML andWebObjects to create a WOComponent to retrieve a pdf from my database and display it in Safari. The problem I am having is that when the component is displayed, I end up with a blank browser page. But when I view the source, I can see that the pdf is there. My pageconsists of only the component to display the pdf.The component contains the code that Chuck supplied in his book (modified to use the database pdf instead of the generated pdf). Are there any additionalbindings/code that need to be added to correctlydisplay the pdf in Safari?Thanks for all your help.Carter__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/amedeo% 40macintossicati.comThis email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Do not post admin requests
Re: Any objections to FrontBase?
Dennis, Much of this is probably better asked on the FrontBase list. On Oct 15, 2006, at 8:48 PM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote: We are starting a large new WebObjects project. The client does not appear to be worried about name-brand databases. Since FrontBase is now free, and this project might require multiple deployments, we thought FrontBase might be a good choice. We have used it until 5 years ago and were happy with it at that time. We still use it and are still happy with it. A couple of concerns we have is that it may have lost its glory. Do they still make money from support/consulting to warrant continuing the development of their product? Geert sent a message on this to the FB list some months back, sorry I don't have a link. He said that the company was doing better than ever on its new (not support based) revenue model and was surprised that it was also making more than expected on support. FB is going strong. Will it run on Leopard?Their website looks very dated with all testimonials from before 2000. Does it support 64 bit? Can you manually set the caching in memory to a very high amount? These are probably best addressed on the FB list. AFAIK, it is not 64 bit yet. Chuck -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems.http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: It's been months yet no new announcements?!
Hi Jay, On Oct 16, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Jay Rush wrote: I'm interested in developing a few test WO applications, just for learning purposes. I don't have a Mac right now (sold my iBook to a good friend who needed a computer and didn't have a lot of money to invest), Now that is the definition of friend! but I have researched some and found that the Eclipse IDE is worthwhile for Windows WO development. And also, I will note, worthwhile for OS X development as well. I have the Eclipse software installed and the WOLips add-on for WO development, but have realized that it actually requires the WO framework to be installed. Yes, it does. Is there anywhere that I can get the framework for a Windows development box. I've seen references to downloading a trial version of WO for Windows 2000 once upon a time, but haven't found anything quite like that in ADC. I also noticed that the 5.2 version of WO is still available for purchase on the Apple store, but I just wanted to try it out and not invest in something that will likely be obsolete with the next release (hopefully, open source) of WO. There is no installer for platforms other than OS X. You will need a Mac, Pacifist, and the dmg of WebObjects. You then extract the needed pieces and move them to Windows. This will not give you the dev tools, but WOLips has replacements. If you ask on the WOLips list, someone might have instructions. You will also need to compile the CGI and mod_webobjects adaptors for Windows. I can give you Win2K versions if you want. I'm waiting for the next release of OSX to get another Mac, but would like to do some development and learning first. Then once I have my new Mac (probably a MacBook), I can start using the next version of XCode. I would not. Apple is deprecating their Xcode and tool support in favor of WOLips. I'm also wondering if the open source initiatives that were mentioned include releasing the WO framework into the public domain for free distribution. I really rather doubt that will ever happen, if for no reason other than it would expose a lot of Apple's IP. Chuck -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems.http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Eclipse Tomcat distribution
In advance, I'm sorry for not reading the manual, but I can't find the manual! I'm trying to build my project for deployment to a Tomcat server. In XCode jam spit out a WEB-INF folder with a web.xml file, the woa, a lib folder, etc. I can get Eclipse to build for direct connect following the wiki deployment instructions, but I'm stuck there. I also read the Eclipse documentation on producing a Tomcat project, but I don't want to build a whole new project. I assume that this is an ant build procedure that I'm not familiar with ?? It looks like I can manhandle the build myself, but I'd rather have a clean folder to deploy. thanks in advance, John ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: It's been months yet no new announcements?!
Thanks for the quick response. I have just a couple of questions more, please. Is the dmg of Webobjects actually on the installation disc of OSX? I haven't run across an actual separate package looking through the ADC. Also, from what I understood about the open source initiatives, Xcode would still support the development of WebObjects and that Xcode 2.4 might also be updated to work better with WO 5.4, especially if they move closer to a fully J2EE-compliant framework (according to the Apple website, WO works with Most J2EE servers). J2EE is something that I am particularly interested in since I have some background in J2SE development. I just want to take that to the next level and have found that WO is the best way to go in database applications. If most of the WO code stays in-house (and private), then WO might wither. I hope that enough of the framework is made freely available so that development (and deployment) across multiple platforms will be possible and its user base will increase. Ultimately, from what you have said, it is probably best that I find a local developer (from whom I can get the framework itself) or purchase a new Mac. Regardless, the next version of WO may change the framework, and I may wait for my own foray into WO development until that time. Thanks once again.Jay RushOn 10/16/06, Chuck Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jay,On Oct 16, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Jay Rush wrote: I'm interested in developing a few test WO applications, just for learning purposes. I don't have a Mac right now (sold my iBook to a good friend who needed a computer and didn't have a lot of money to invest),Now that is the definition of friend! but I have researched some and found that the Eclipse IDE is worthwhile for Windows WO development.And also, I will note, worthwhile for OS X development as well. I have the Eclipse software installed and the WOLips add-on for WO development, but have realized that it actually requires the WO framework to be installed.Yes, it does. Is there anywhere that I can get the framework for a Windows development box. I've seen references to downloading a trial version of WO for Windows 2000 once upon a time, but haven't found anything quite like that in ADC. I also noticed that the 5.2 version of WO is still available for purchase on the Apple store, but I just wanted to try it out and not invest in something that will likely be obsolete with the next release (hopefully, open source) of WO.There is no installer for platforms other than OS X.You will need a Mac, Pacifist, and the dmg of WebObjects.You then extract theneeded pieces and move them to Windows.This will not give you thedev tools, but WOLips has replacements. If you ask on the WOLipslist, someone might have instructions. You will also need to compile the CGI and mod_webobjects adaptorsfor Windows.I can give you Win2K versions if you want. I'm waiting for the next release of OSX to get another Mac, but would like to do some development and learning first. Then once I have my new Mac (probably a MacBook), I can start using the next version of XCode.I would not.Apple is deprecating their Xcode and tool support infavor of WOLips. I'm also wondering if the open source initiatives that were mentioned include releasing the WO framework into the public domain for free distribution.I really rather doubt that will ever happen, if for no reason otherthan it would expose a lot of Apple's IP. Chuck--Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase theiroverall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specificproblems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: It's been months yet no new announcements?!
On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Jay Rush wrote: Thanks for the quick response. I have just a couple of questions more, please. Certainly. Is the dmg of Webobjects actually on the installation disc of OSX? I haven't run across an actual separate package looking through the ADC. Right, forgot about that. It is not part of the Xcode tools install. So it is actually the Xcode .dmg now, inside of which is a WebObjects.pkg or .mpkg. Also, from what I understood about the open source initiatives, Xcode would still support the development of WebObjects I would guess that it will still support the _building_ of WebObjects projects. Once the JavaBridge is gone (and no, I don't know when that will happen) the WOBuilder and EOModeler tools (among others) won't run. and that Xcode 2.4 might also be updated to work better with WO 5.4, especially if they move closer to a fully J2EE-compliant framework (according to the Apple website, WO works with Most J2EE servers). I would not expect to see that. WO allows deployment in a J2EE container. It is not and never will be J2EE complaint in the sense of following that architecture. J2EE is something that I am particularly interested in since I have some background in J2SE development. J2EE is a freaking nightmare. It is an abomination. J2EE is why most of us use WO. I just want to take that to the next level and have found that WO is the best way to go in database applications. If most of the WO code stays in-house (and private), then WO might wither. I have been hearing that for six or seven years now. Does it look withered to you? I hope that enough of the framework is made freely available so that development (and deployment) across multiple platforms will be possible and its user base will increase. This is already the case, but free as in beer not as in speech. It will not be Open Sourced. Won't happen, don't waste your time thinking about it. Ultimately, from what you have said, it is probably best that I find a local developer (from whom I can get the framework itself) or purchase a new Mac. Or borrow your friends! :-) Regardless, the next version of WO may change the framework, and I may wait for my own foray into WO development until that time. I would not be expecting anything in the way of major changes. It is a mature product. What we see now are incremental improvements. Chuck On 10/16/06, Chuck Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jay, On Oct 16, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Jay Rush wrote: I'm interested in developing a few test WO applications, just for learning purposes. I don't have a Mac right now (sold my iBook to a good friend who needed a computer and didn't have a lot of money to invest), Now that is the definition of friend! but I have researched some and found that the Eclipse IDE is worthwhile for Windows WO development. And also, I will note, worthwhile for OS X development as well. I have the Eclipse software installed and the WOLips add-on for WO development, but have realized that it actually requires the WO framework to be installed. Yes, it does. Is there anywhere that I can get the framework for a Windows development box. I've seen references to downloading a trial version of WO for Windows 2000 once upon a time, but haven't found anything quite like that in ADC. I also noticed that the 5.2 version of WO is still available for purchase on the Apple store, but I just wanted to try it out and not invest in something that will likely be obsolete with the next release (hopefully, open source) of WO. There is no installer for platforms other than OS X. You will need a Mac, Pacifist, and the dmg of WebObjects. You then extract the needed pieces and move them to Windows. This will not give you the dev tools, but WOLips has replacements. If you ask on the WOLips list, someone might have instructions. You will also need to compile the CGI and mod_webobjects adaptors for Windows. I can give you Win2K versions if you want. I'm waiting for the next release of OSX to get another Mac, but would like to do some development and learning first. Then once I have my new Mac (probably a MacBook), I can start using the next version of XCode. I would not. Apple is deprecating their Xcode and tool support in favor of WOLips. I'm also wondering if the open source initiatives that were mentioned include releasing the WO framework into the public domain for free distribution. I really rather doubt that will ever happen, if for no reason other than it would expose a lot of Apple's IP. Chuck -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/ practical_webobjects -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are
Eclipse / wolips / X-Code –– Baffled
Hello; I'm reading between the lines on this mailing list over and over amongst the whispers and murmours and am still not quite sure what is going to happen with the WO toolset. I can appreciate that EOM and WOB are going to get the axe, although there is no clear indication of *when* they are going to go. Is it going to happen at 5.3.?/ 5.4/5.5/...? Yesterday Chuck said in a post... Apple is deprecating their Xcode and tool support in favor of WOLips. ...but in one of Apple's open emails to this list they say... ...Making WO work well with ANT and the most popular IDEs, including Xcode and Eclipse Which mentions X-Code and Eclipse. Is it the case that they will be advocating wolips's ANT tasks as the only viable build process for WO? What about SSD or do we have to arrange that ourselves open- source style? Is it the intention of Apple that eclipse will be the only viable platform for WO development? and want to encourage variety within the community...We will work to assist the community...been working with several open source projects. This will become public soon. It's a really big ask to expect somebody to stop work for a week in order to fly all the way from New Zealand to conference in the USA every single year just on the off chance there is any meaningful/new WO information imparted. I feel that claiming to be assisting the community and then keeping the bulk of the community (including some like me who do contribute articles and framework) in the dark on timing and logistics of these obviously quite massive changes is an extraordinary contradiction. cheers. ___ Andrew Lindesay www.lindesay.co.nz ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: Eclipse / wolips / X-Code –– Baffled
Hi Andrew, On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reading between the lines on this mailing list over and over amongst the whispers and murmours and am still not quite sure what is going to happen with the WO toolset. I can appreciate that EOM and WOB are going to get the axe, although there is no clear indication of *when* they are going to go. Is it going to happen at 5.3.?/5.4/5.5/...? I have no idea when this will happen. Yesterday Chuck said in a post... Apple is deprecating their Xcode and tool support in favor of WOLips. My interpretation, not their words. ...but in one of Apple's open emails to this list they say... ...Making WO work well with ANT and the most popular IDEs, including Xcode and Eclipse Which mentions X-Code and Eclipse. Is it the case that they will be advocating wolips's ANT tasks as the only viable build process for WO? Yes, that is my interpretation of that statement. They may provide their own tasks, but that would seem to be a waste of effort for them. What about SSD or do we have to arrange that ourselves open- source style? I don't use it, but I was under the impression that WOProject (the Ant part of WOLips) did this already. Is it the intention of Apple that eclipse will be the only viable platform for WO development? I was not aware that Xcode ever was a viable platform for WO development. Grin. I expect that Xcode will always be able to build WO apps. But once the other tools go away, you would need to use Eclipse and WOLips to edit models, components, etc. Well, that or emacs. and want to encourage variety within the community...We will work to assist the community...been working with several open source projects. This will become public soon. It's a really big ask to expect somebody to stop work for a week in order to fly all the way from New Zealand to conference in the USA every single year just on the off chance there is any meaningful/ new WO information imparted. I feel that claiming to be assisting the community and then keeping the bulk of the community (including some like me who do contribute articles and framework) in the dark on timing and logistics of these obviously quite massive changes is an extraordinary contradiction. You are not the only one saying that. However, this mentality runs very deep at Apple. Chuck -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems.http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: Eclipse / wolips / X-Code –– Baffled user of D2WS
Hi,May I ask a slightly different question, what is the recommended way forward for users of the D2WS part of WO? I have been happily using EOM/XCode/WS Assistant to develop SOAP servers and am unclear how to do this in the New World, or whether I should explore other methods entirely. I do not anticipate using WO for Web apps (I'm happy with PHP, sad but true) or client apps (I'm happy with Applescript Studio).Any pointers would be welcome, I see Apple are still promoting WO primarily as a means of developing Web Services:http://www.apple.com/webobjects/regards,Gordon. Gordon Maynardm: 07 970 638 415e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: maynardaimJabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 16 Oct 2006, at 21:49, Chuck Hill wrote:Hi Andrew,On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reading between the lines on this mailing list over and over amongst the whispers and murmours and am still not quite sure what is going to happen with the WO toolset. I can appreciate that EOM and WOB are going to get the axe, although there is no clear indication of *when* they are going to go. Is it going to happen at 5.3.?/5.4/5.5/...? I have no idea when this will happen. Yesterday Chuck said in a post... Apple is deprecating their Xcode and tool support in favor of WOLips. My interpretation, not their words. ...but in one of Apple's open emails to this list they say... ...Making WO work well with ANT and the most popular IDEs, including Xcode and Eclipse Which mentions X-Code and Eclipse. Is it the case that they will be advocating wolips's ANT tasks as the only viable build process for WO? Yes, that is my interpretation of that statement. They may provide their own tasks, but that would seem to be a waste of effort for them. What about SSD or do we have to arrange that ourselves open-source style? I don't use it, but I was under the impression that WOProject (the Ant part of WOLips) did this already. Is it the intention of Apple that eclipse will be the only viable platform for WO development? I was not aware that Xcode ever was a viable platform for WO development. Grin.I expect that Xcode will always be able to build WO apps. But once the other tools go away, you would need to use Eclipse and WOLips to edit models, components, etc. Well, that or emacs. and want to encourage variety within the community...We will work to assist the community...been working with several open source projects. This will become public soon. It's a really big ask to expect somebody to stop work for a week in order to fly all the way from New Zealand to conference in the USA every single year just on the off chance there is any meaningful/new WO information imparted. I feel that claiming to be "assisting the community" and then keeping the bulk of the community (including some like me who do contribute articles and framework) in the dark on timing and logistics of these obviously quite massive changes is an extraordinary contradiction. You are not the only one saying that. However, this mentality runs very deep at Apple.Chuck-- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/gordon%40gordonmaynard.co.ukThis email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: Eclipse / wolips / X-Code –– Baffled user of D2WS
IntelliJ also works nicely for WO development, although we tend to run XCode in the background for binding support in WOBuilder, although most of the time that isn't really necessary.On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:59 PM, Gordon Maynard wrote:Hi,May I ask a slightly different question, what is the recommended way forward for users of the D2WS part of WO? I have been happily using EOM/XCode/WS Assistant to develop SOAP servers and am unclear how to do this in the New World, or whether I should explore other methods entirely. I do not anticipate using WO for Web apps (I'm happy with PHP, sad but true) or client apps (I'm happy with Applescript Studio).Any pointers would be welcome, I see Apple are still promoting WO primarily as a means of developing Web Services:http://www.apple.com/webobjects/regards,Gordon. Gordon Maynardm: 07 970 638 415e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: maynardaimJabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 16 Oct 2006, at 21:49, Chuck Hill wrote:Hi Andrew,On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reading between the lines on this mailing list over and over amongst the whispers and murmours and am still not quite sure what is going to happen with the WO toolset. I can appreciate that EOM and WOB are going to get the axe, although there is no clear indication of *when* they are going to go. Is it going to happen at 5.3.?/5.4/5.5/...? I have no idea when this will happen. Yesterday Chuck said in a post... Apple is deprecating their Xcode and tool support in favor of WOLips. My interpretation, not their words. ...but in one of Apple's open emails to this list they say... ...Making WO work well with ANT and the most popular IDEs, including Xcode and Eclipse Which mentions X-Code and Eclipse. Is it the case that they will be advocating wolips's ANT tasks as the only viable build process for WO? Yes, that is my interpretation of that statement. They may provide their own tasks, but that would seem to be a waste of effort for them. What about SSD or do we have to arrange that ourselves open-source style? I don't use it, but I was under the impression that WOProject (the Ant part of WOLips) did this already. Is it the intention of Apple that eclipse will be the only viable platform for WO development? I was not aware that Xcode ever was a viable platform for WO development. Grin.I expect that Xcode will always be able to build WO apps. But once the other tools go away, you would need to use Eclipse and WOLips to edit models, components, etc. Well, that or emacs. and want to encourage variety within the community...We will work to assist the community...been working with several open source projects. This will become public soon. It's a really big ask to expect somebody to stop work for a week in order to fly all the way from New Zealand to conference in the USA every single year just on the off chance there is any meaningful/new WO information imparted. I feel that claiming to be "assisting the community" and then keeping the bulk of the community (including some like me who do contribute articles and framework) in the dark on timing and logistics of these obviously quite massive changes is an extraordinary contradiction. You are not the only one saying that. However, this mentality runs very deep at Apple.Chuck-- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/gordon%40gordonmaynard.co.ukThis email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/sam%40360works.comThis email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: Eclipse / wolips / X-Code –– Baffled
Hi Chuck, Andrew, list, Chuck Hill wrote: Hi Andrew, On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Is it the intention of Apple that eclipse will be the only viable platform for WO development? No, I dont think that is the intention. Also, Mike Schrag's entity modeller is currently an eclipse plugin but he said that it wouldnt be hard to make it run standalone. I was not aware that Xcode ever was a viable platform for WO development. Grin. I expect that Xcode will always be able to build WO apps. But once the other tools go away, you would need to use Eclipse and WOLips to edit models, components, etc. Well, that or emacs. That might have been a joke, but using a decent text editor to manage model files is a lot easier than you may think. It's also very easy to write scripts using something like perl, to create, update or copy these files or do things like list relationships, attributes, whatever you like. You can do a tonne of things with this approach, for example, list all attributes that have a varchar2 STATUS attribute with length = 1, across all models in an app and all its frameworks. It even easier now than it used to be because the eomodel bundle specs are available. Not using a GUI to build eomodels is actually quite liberating. As is command line build, package, bundle, deploy. For example, I use a single command to clean, build, package, scp, and deploy to a local dev server, its a beautiful thing.. :) YMMV. regards - shaun ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: Eclipse / wolips / X-Code –– Baffled
No, I dont think that is the intention. Also, Mike Schrag's entity modeller is currently an eclipse plugin but he said that it wouldnt be hard to make it run standalone. Correction, I said it would be POSSIBLE :) That might have been a joke, but using a decent text editor to manage model files is a lot easier than you may think. Yikes. Easy in that they're all text files. Super annoying to actually do for real, though ... The file specification for eomodels is pretty obnoxious. Several cases of unnormalized data just waiting for you to trip up on. Probably the same reaction WOB people have when I say I prefer the WOD Editor in Eclipse :) ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: Eclipse / wolips / X-Code –– Baffled
Mike Schrag wrote: No, I dont think that is the intention. Also, Mike Schrag's entity modeller is currently an eclipse plugin but he said that it wouldnt be hard to make it run standalone. Correction, I said it would be POSSIBLE :) Oh dear, my mistake. Sorry about that. :) That might have been a joke, but using a decent text editor to manage model files is a lot easier than you may think. Yikes. Easy in that they're all text files. Super annoying to actually do for real, though ... The file specification for eomodels is Nah, its not too bad.. really. Ahh heck, who am I kidding, I think i'm the only one on the planet that doesnt mind editing eomodel .plists with emacs. But you _do_ get used to it and its a breeze... pretty obnoxious. Several cases of unnormalized data just waiting for you to trip up on. Probably the same reaction WOB people have when I say I prefer the WOD Editor in Eclipse :) Heh, well, I use a split emacs window a lot of the time for both, html and wod so I'm not saying a thing.. Although I have enjoyed using netbeans 5.something over the last few months.. I love being able to collapse the html. regards, - shaun ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
Re: Eclipse / wolips / X-Code –– Baffled user of D2WS
I am not too sure on that. Project Wonder is very strong on the D2* technologies. They have have something. Chuck On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:59 PM, Gordon Maynard wrote: Hi, May I ask a slightly different question, what is the recommended way forward for users of the D2WS part of WO? I have been happily using EOM/XCode/WS Assistant to develop SOAP servers and am unclear how to do this in the New World, or whether I should explore other methods entirely. I do not anticipate using WO for Web apps (I'm happy with PHP, sad but true) or client apps (I'm happy with Applescript Studio). Any pointers would be welcome, I see Apple are still promoting WO primarily as a means of developing Web Services: http://www.apple.com/webobjects/ regards, Gordon. Gordon Maynard m: 07 970 638 415 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: maynardaim Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 16 Oct 2006, at 21:49, Chuck Hill wrote: Hi Andrew, On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reading between the lines on this mailing list over and over amongst the whispers and murmours and am still not quite sure what is going to happen with the WO toolset. I can appreciate that EOM and WOB are going to get the axe, although there is no clear indication of *when* they are going to go. Is it going to happen at 5.3.?/5.4/5.5/...? I have no idea when this will happen. Yesterday Chuck said in a post... Apple is deprecating their Xcode and tool support in favor of WOLips. My interpretation, not their words. ...but in one of Apple's open emails to this list they say... ...Making WO work well with ANT and the most popular IDEs, including Xcode and Eclipse Which mentions X-Code and Eclipse. Is it the case that they will be advocating wolips's ANT tasks as the only viable build process for WO? Yes, that is my interpretation of that statement. They may provide their own tasks, but that would seem to be a waste of effort for them. What about SSD or do we have to arrange that ourselves open- source style? I don't use it, but I was under the impression that WOProject (the Ant part of WOLips) did this already. Is it the intention of Apple that eclipse will be the only viable platform for WO development? I was not aware that Xcode ever was a viable platform for WO development. Grin. I expect that Xcode will always be able to build WO apps. But once the other tools go away, you would need to use Eclipse and WOLips to edit models, components, etc. Well, that or emacs. and want to encourage variety within the community...We will work to assist the community...been working with several open source projects. This will become public soon. It's a really big ask to expect somebody to stop work for a week in order to fly all the way from New Zealand to conference in the USA every single year just on the off chance there is any meaningful/new WO information imparted. I feel that claiming to be assisting the community and then keeping the bulk of the community (including some like me who do contribute articles and framework) in the dark on timing and logistics of these obviously quite massive changes is an extraordinary contradiction. You are not the only one saying that. However, this mentality runs very deep at Apple. Chuck -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems.http://www.global-village.net/products/ practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/gordon% 40gordonmaynard.co.uk This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems.http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to archive@mail-archive.com
