date:20170119

Re: WOWODC17?? a little OT

2017-01-19 Thread Chuck Hill

I am pretty sure that we are.  A visit to Iceland in the summer would be quite 
nice.

From:  on behalf of 
Hugi Thordarson 
Date: Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 8:47 AM
To: Ken Anderson 
Cc: "webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com" 
Subject: Re: WOWODC17?? a little OT

On the contrary, I’m quite terrified you’re all serious.

- hugi

On 17. jan. 2017, at 19:59, Ken Anderson 
mailto:kenli...@anderhome.com>> wrote:
Somehow I don’t think Hugi is taking us seriously…
On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Tim Worman 
mailto:li...@thetimmy.com>> wrote:
Ha! LOL! I love that. That sense of humor is all the invitation I need. If I 
could fit WOWODC ‘17 in my schedule, I will, wherever it is.
Tim
UCLA GSE&IS
On Jan 13, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Hugi Thordarson 
mailto:h...@karlmenn.is>> wrote:
Awesome, I’ve already booked a venue. Look forward to seeing you guys.

On 13. jan. 2017, at 14:22, Markus Ruggiero 
mailto:mailingli...@kataputt.com>> wrote:
Iceland? Would be interesting. And I may go if there is a WOWODC17 at all
On 13.01.2017, at 04:10, Chuck Hill 
mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>> wrote:
You have an extremely lenient definition of food!
+1 on women and hot springs

-100 on hakarl
hakarl? what's that? Must be aful judging by Chuck's thumbs down
---markus---
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RE: WOWODC17?? a little OT

2017-01-19 Thread Pascal Robert

I can help with the local organization and working with Daniel. But I don't 
want to take care of billing and marketing.


De : webobjects-dev-bounces+probert=macti...@lists.apple.com 
 de la part de Samuel 
Pelletier 
Envoyé : 19 janvier 2017 12:03:10
À : Hugi Thordarson
Cc : webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Objet : Re: WOWODC17?? a little OT

Nobody wants to organize it in Europe?

I'm not sure Pascal want to engage in this project and I have a divorce to 
complete... You now know why the WO Community project stalled last fall.

I know the Montréal event manager can help someone to organize it in Europe.

Samuel


Le 19 janv. 2017 à 11:48, Hugi Thordarson 
mailto:h...@karlmenn.is>> a écrit :

Montreal?

- hugi


On 17. jan. 2017, at 20:02, Chuck Hill 
mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>> wrote:

It is a smallish island.  Where is he going to hide?



From: 
mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com>>
 on behalf of Ken Anderson 
mailto:kenli...@anderhome.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 11:59 AM
To: Tim Worman mailto:li...@thetimmy.com>>
Cc: "webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com" 
mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>>
Subject: Re: WOWODC17?? a little OT



Somehow I don't think Hugi is taking us seriously...



On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Tim Worman 
mailto:li...@thetimmy.com>> wrote:



Ha! LOL! I love that. That sense of humor is all the invitation I need. If I 
could fit WOWODC '17 in my schedule, I will, wherever it is.

Tim
UCLA GSE&IS



On Jan 13, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Hugi Thordarson 
mailto:h...@karlmenn.is>> wrote:

Awesome, I've already booked a venue. Look forward to seeing you guys.






On 13. jan. 2017, at 14:22, Markus Ruggiero 
mailto:mailingli...@kataputt.com>> wrote:

Iceland? Would be interesting. And I may go if there is a WOWODC17 at all



On 13.01.2017, at 04:10, Chuck Hill 
mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>> wrote:

You have an extremely lenient definition of food!

+1 on women and hot springs






-100 on hakarl

hakarl? what's that? Must be aful judging by Chuck's thumbs down

---markus---


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Re: WOWODC17?? a little OT

2017-01-19 Thread Samuel Pelletier

Nobody wants to organize it in Europe?

I'm not sure Pascal want to engage in this project and I have a divorce to 
complete... You now know why the WO Community project stalled last fall.

I know the Montréal event manager can help someone to organize it in Europe.

Samuel


> Le 19 janv. 2017 à 11:48, Hugi Thordarson  a écrit :
> 
> Montreal?
> 
> - hugi
> 
> 
>> On 17. jan. 2017, at 20:02, Chuck Hill > > wrote:
>> 
>> It is a smallish island.  Where is he going to hide?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From:  on behalf 
>> of Ken Anderson 
>> Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 11:59 AM
>> To: Tim Worman 
>> Cc: "webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com" 
>> Subject: Re: WOWODC17?? a little OT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Somehow I don’t think Hugi is taking us seriously…
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Tim Worman  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ha! LOL! I love that. That sense of humor is all the invitation I need. If I 
>> could fit WOWODC ‘17 in my schedule, I will, wherever it is.
>> 
>> Tim
>> UCLA GSE&IS
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 13, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Hugi Thordarson  wrote:
>> 
>> Awesome, I’ve already booked a venue. Look forward to seeing you guys.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13. jan. 2017, at 14:22, Markus Ruggiero  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Iceland? Would be interesting. And I may go if there is a WOWODC17 at all
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13.01.2017, at 04:10, Chuck Hill  wrote:
>> 
>> You have an extremely lenient definition of food!
>> 
>> +1 on women and hot springs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -100 on hakarl
>> 
>> hakarl? what's that? Must be aful judging by Chuck's thumbs down
>> 
>> ---markus---
>> 
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Re: Slow partial ajax requests (and perhaps a solution)

2017-01-19 Thread Samuel Pelletier

Hi René,

My guest is the InputFieldComponents is doing redundant computations in getter 
methods used in the HTML parsing. If you move all the validation logic and save 
the results in variables in the appendToResponse and make sure the entire 
component is refreshed by the Ajax container, you should have much better 
results.

All getters required during the HTML parsing will be called on each phase of 
the RR loop so it is always a good practice to limit their scope to fast values 
retrieving instead of value computing. BTW, you do not want these values to 
change between append to response call as they may even change the element tree.

Regards,

Samuel


> Le 19 janv. 2017 à 10:32, René Bock  a écrit :
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> In our framework, we are using partial ajax requests to validate input field 
> as soon as the user leaves the text field.
> 
> In a very complex form, we noticed that the response time of the partial 
> requests depends on the position of the input field. The validation logic is 
> encapsulated in InputFieldComponent, and the form component is mainly a 
> WORepetition of these InputFieldComponents.  
> 
> The range of the measured  response times is something between 60 ms for the 
> first component and 1200 ms for the last component in the form.   The longest 
> response time is about the  same as I would do a normal form submit.
> 
> 
> Did anybody noticed a similar phenomena?
> 
> 
> Anyway, my questions are:
> 
> 1. Why does the position of a field make a difference at all?  
> 2. Is there a possibility to speed up things?
> 
> 
> Here my observations:
> 
> A profiling session reveals, that a lot of time is spent in 
> takeFormValuesFromRequest and invokeAction.
> 
> 
> Answer for #1: As soon as ajaxSubmitButton which triggered the request is 
> found, invokeAction is somehow "interrupted".  (see 
> ERXAjaxContext.wasFormSubmitted...)  
> 
> 
> As it is possible to eliminate unnecessary component tree traversal after the 
> right ajaxSubmitButton.action is found,  it should also be possible to ignore 
> the other irrelevant childComponents.
> 
> 
> ASSUMPTION: 
> a) for partial submits, we get only one form value (i.e the 
> partialFormSenderID).  
> b) the partialFormSenderID is the path of the sender component in the overall 
> component hierarchy.
> 
> IDEA:  for the component hierarchy tree traversal, we may ignore child 
> components not on the path to the partialFormSender.
> 
> 
> Solution (proof of concept) for #2: In ERXWORepetition, I changed 
> takeFormValuesFromRequest and invokeAction as follows:
> 
> 
> public void takeValuesFromRequest(WORequest worequest, WOContext wocontext) {
> WOComponent wocomponent = wocontext.component();
> String partialFormSenderID = 
> ERXAjaxApplication.partialFormSenderID(worequest); 
> 
> Context context = createContext(wocomponent);
> 
> int count = _count(context, wocomponent);
> boolean checkHashCodes = checkHashCodes(wocomponent);
> 
> for (int index = 0; index < count; index++) {
> _prepareForIterationWithIndex(context, index, wocontext, wocomponent, 
> checkHashCodes);
>   if(partialFormSenderID == null || 
> partialFormSenderID.startsWith(wocontext.elementID())) {  // NO RECURSION if 
> component[index] does not match senderID 
> super.takeValuesFromRequest(worequest, wocontext);
> }
> }
> if (count > 0) {
> _cleanupAfterIteration(count, wocontext, wocomponent);
> }
> }
> 
> invokeAction is patched in similar way.
> 
> The result is, that the ajax request at the bottom of the page takes now 60 
> ms instead of 1200ms :-)
> Unfortunately, this is not a general solution. There are scenarios, there 
> invokeAction will not invoke any actions at all :-(
> 
> Has anybody an idea for a general solution?  Maybe a completely different 
> approach?
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards (and sorry for this long post)
> 
> 
> René Bock
> 
> --
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> 
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Re: WOWODC17?? a little OT

2017-01-19 Thread Hugi Thordarson

Montreal?

- hugi


> On 17. jan. 2017, at 20:02, Chuck Hill  wrote:
> 
> It is a smallish island.  Where is he going to hide?
> 
>  
> 
> From:  on behalf 
> of Ken Anderson 
> Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 11:59 AM
> To: Tim Worman 
> Cc: "webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com" 
> Subject: Re: WOWODC17?? a little OT
> 
>  
> 
> Somehow I don’t think Hugi is taking us seriously…
> 
>  
> 
> On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Tim Worman  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Ha! LOL! I love that. That sense of humor is all the invitation I need. If I 
> could fit WOWODC ‘17 in my schedule, I will, wherever it is.
> 
> Tim
> UCLA GSE&IS
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 13, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Hugi Thordarson  wrote:
> 
> Awesome, I’ve already booked a venue. Look forward to seeing you guys.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 13. jan. 2017, at 14:22, Markus Ruggiero  wrote:
> 
> Iceland? Would be interesting. And I may go if there is a WOWODC17 at all
> 
> 
> 
> On 13.01.2017, at 04:10, Chuck Hill  wrote:
> 
> You have an extremely lenient definition of food!
> 
> +1 on women and hot springs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -100 on hakarl
> 
> hakarl? what's that? Must be aful judging by Chuck's thumbs down
> 
> ---markus---
> 
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Re: WOWODC17?? a little OT

2017-01-19 Thread Hugi Thordarson

On the contrary, I’m quite terrified you’re all serious.

- hugi


> On 17. jan. 2017, at 19:59, Ken Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Somehow I don’t think Hugi is taking us seriously…
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Tim Worman  wrote:
>> 
>> Ha! LOL! I love that. That sense of humor is all the invitation I need. If I 
>> could fit WOWODC ‘17 in my schedule, I will, wherever it is.
>> 
>> Tim
>> UCLA GSE&IS
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Hugi Thordarson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Awesome, I’ve already booked a venue. Look forward to seeing you guys.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 13. jan. 2017, at 14:22, Markus Ruggiero  
 wrote:
 
 Iceland? Would be interesting. And I may go if there is a WOWODC17 at all
 
> On 13.01.2017, at 04:10, Chuck Hill  wrote:
> 
> You have an extremely lenient definition of food!
> 
> +1 on women and hot springs
 
 
 
> -100 on hakarl
 hakarl? what's that? Must be aful judging by Chuck's thumbs down
 
 ---markus---
 
 
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Slow partial ajax requests (and perhaps a solution)

2017-01-19 Thread René Bock

Hi list,

In our framework, we are using partial ajax requests to validate input field as 
soon as the user leaves the text field.

In a very complex form, we noticed that the response time of the partial 
requests depends on the position of the input field. The validation logic is 
encapsulated in InputFieldComponent, and the form component is mainly a 
WORepetition of these InputFieldComponents.

The range of the measured  response times is something between 60 ms for the 
first component and 1200 ms for the last component in the form.   The longest 
response time is about the  same as I would do a normal form submit.


Did anybody noticed a similar phenomena?


Anyway, my questions are:

1. Why does the position of a field make a difference at all?
2. Is there a possibility to speed up things?


Here my observations:

A profiling session reveals, that a lot of time is spent in 
takeFormValuesFromRequest and invokeAction.


Answer for #1: As soon as ajaxSubmitButton which triggered the request is 
found, invokeAction is somehow "interrupted".  (see 
ERXAjaxContext.wasFormSubmitted...)


As it is possible to eliminate unnecessary component tree traversal after the 
right ajaxSubmitButton.action is found,  it should also be possible to ignore 
the other irrelevant childComponents.


ASSUMPTION:
a) for partial submits, we get only one form value (i.e the 
partialFormSenderID).
b) the partialFormSenderID is the path of the sender component in the overall 
component hierarchy.

IDEA:  for the component hierarchy tree traversal, we may ignore child 
components not on the path to the partialFormSender.


Solution (proof of concept) for #2: In ERXWORepetition, I changed 
takeFormValuesFromRequest and invokeAction as follows:


public void takeValuesFromRequest(WORequest worequest, WOContext wocontext) {
WOComponent wocomponent = wocontext.component();
String partialFormSenderID = ERXAjaxApplication.partialFormSenderID(worequest);


Context context = createContext(wocomponent);

int count = _count(context, wocomponent);
boolean checkHashCodes = checkHashCodes(wocomponent);

for (int index = 0; index < count; index++) {
_prepareForIterationWithIndex(context, index, wocontext, wocomponent, 
checkHashCodes);
  if(partialFormSenderID == null || 
partialFormSenderID.startsWith(wocontext.elementID())) {  // NO RECURSION if 
component[index] does not match senderID
super.takeValuesFromRequest(worequest, wocontext);
}
}
if (count > 0) {
_cleanupAfterIteration(count, wocontext, wocomponent);
}
}

invokeAction is patched in similar way.

The result is, that the ajax request at the bottom of the page takes now 60 ms 
instead of 1200ms :-)
Unfortunately, this is not a general solution. There are scenarios, there 
invokeAction will not invoke any actions at all :-(

Has anybody an idea for a general solution?  Maybe a completely different 
approach?



Best regards (and sorry for this long post)


René Bock

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Main: +49 69 65 00 96 0  |  http://www.salient-doremus.de | 
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