Re: The WOCommunity slack channel

[jazz]

Please add me 2: jazzsa...@me.com




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Re: Follow up on closure

[jazz salsa]

This way of working is weird to me. I make a proposal to form a new community 
together and get zero response. 

Why would i spend 50$ to a "community" that is only about one person doing all 
the work? And it is not clear if we get access to the wowodc 2016 stuff. 

It is time for change. Who wants this also?

Let's start the migration after wowodc anyway. Two people offered hosting at 
their companies.

Regards Bart 

P.D. I will fix the spreadsheet 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Follow up on closure (Pascal Robert)
   2. Re: Follow up on closure (Michael Kondratov)
   3. Re: Follow up on closure (Hugi Thordarson)
   4. Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association (Jérémy DE ROYER)
   5. Re: Follow up on closure (Jérémy DE ROYER)
   6. Re: Follow up on closure (Ken Anderson)
   7. Re: Follow up on closure (Klaus Berkling)
   8. Re: Follow up on closure (Paul Yu)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 11:31:40 +
From: Pascal Robert 
To: "webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com" 
Subject: Follow up on closure
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It seems the majority wants to keep the WOCommunity server alive until WOWODC, 
so let's do that.

Now, the reasons of why I wanted to shutdown everything:

- The results of the surveys are not positive. Only 57% of respondents use WO 
for new and current projects, 32% only for maintenance, the rest is moving away 
or already done so.

- Based on this, I expect to lose 10-12 WOWODC guests, so I calculated that we 
needed 45 guests and made the arrangements based on that number. Sadly, we are 
only 33 so far, and usually at that timeframe, we only get 4-5 registrations. 
Hence the 6200$ deficit (now reduced to about 2100$).

- Contributions to Wonder is next to nothing for the last year.

- I was thinking that having a session about using Cayenne with WO would be a 
great way to modernize WO, and hence generate interest, and looks like I was 
wrong, or else we would have more people at WOWODC, not less.

- At WOWODC 2014, we asked if people were using the master branch of Wonder, 
and the vast majority said they are using their own fork. So why should we keep 
Jenkins if most of you use their own forks?


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 09:14:26 -0500
From: Michael Kondratov 
To: Pascal Robert , webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: Follow up on closure
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Pascal,
   There are also people like us that use WO for internal projects. I have 
not been able to find any other platform that would warrant a move. It was 
pretty clear to me that Apple discontinued WO good 15 years ago. Is it really 
possible that only 50 people or so in the world that still use WebObjects? Is 
there something that is better? (Or 99.99..% use inferior tools?)

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2016, at 6:31 AM, Pascal Robert  wrote:
> 
> It seems the majority wants to keep the WOCommunity server alive until 
> WOWODC, so let's do that.
> 
> Now, the reasons of why I wanted to shutdown everything:
> 
> - The results of the surveys are not positive. Only 57% of respondents use WO 
> for new and current projects, 32% only for maintenance, the rest is moving 
> away or already done so.
> 
> - Based on this, I expect to lose 10-12 WOWODC guests, so I calculated that 
> we needed 45 guests and made the arrangements based on that number. Sadly, we 
> are only 33 so far, and usually at that timeframe, we only get 4-5 
> registrations. Hence the 6200$ deficit (now reduced to about 2100$).
> 
> - Contributions to Wonder is next to nothing for the last year.
> 
> - I was thinking that having a session about using Cayenne with WO would be a 
> great way to modernize WO, and hence generate interest, and looks like I was 
> wrong, or else we would have more people at WOWODC, not less.
> 
> - At WOWODC 2014, we asked if people were 

WOWODC 2015

[jazz]

Hi list,

Who is going to WOWODC from the US/Canada? So far I see only European
people who confirmed. Besides Aaron and Ken.

Regards, Bart


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Re: WOWODC 2015

[jazz]

Hi Pascal,

Do you plan to go? 

About your question to help. I can help with Jenkins.

Regards, Bart

On 20/01/2015 16:31, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:

So far, only one organization in the US answered the annual survey, so I
guess all North America dudes either moved away from WO, or are now
working for Apple...

- Mail original -
De: jazz jazzsa...@me.com
À: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Envoyé: Mardi 20 Janvier 2015 07:17:36
Objet: WOWODC 2015

Hi list,

Who is going to WOWODC from the US/Canada? So far I see only European
people who confirmed. Besides Aaron and Ken.

Regards, Bart


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WOWODC 2015

[jazz]

Hi list,

I was checking the schedule to see who is joining and what will be
presented at the upcoming WOWODC 2015, but nothing is mentioned
(http://wocommunity.org/wowodc15/schedule.html). It has been pretty
quiet on the list as well about it. Therefore my question:

Who will go to WOWODC 2015?

Best regards, Bart
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Re: WOWODC 2015 - April 25, 26 and 27 2015

[jazz]

Hi Matthias,

Do you have an estimate for the ticket price of WOWODC this year?

Bets regards, Bart


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Deploy on CentOS

[jazz]

Hi list,

I am running a simple webobjects app on CentOS. Installed with Pascal's 
excellent packages: 
http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/Installing+a+deployment+environment+on+RedHat%2C+CentOS+or+Amazon+Linux

wotaskd and javamonitor are running fine. I can deploy the app from the command 
line. Everything works fine.

Now I would like to deploy in javamonitor. Does not work. Application dies. I 
have two questions:

1. How do I log JavaMonitor (debug logging)?

2. What could be wrong? 
Firewall is open on 1085 and 2001 (port for app)
SE linux allows apache network connections (sudo setsebool -P 
httpd_can_network_connect=1,  
http://lists.apple.com/archives/webobjects-deploy/2011/Jun/msg9.html
I compiled a new policy module for SElinux (wotaskd). 
SElinux disabled makes no difference
owner of the app in /opt/Local/Library/Applications) is appserver:appserveradm

Thanks for your help in advance!

Bart
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Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

[jazz]

Hi Mark, 

When reading through your email I realised that this is quite nicely 
summarising my thoughts on this topic. I hear other people on the list talking 
about the past, but this is about the future. Since Apple now has a large 
installed base of iOS devices, it would be worth a try again to go beyond 
consumer products. Your medical application of iOS linked with server 
technology would fit perfect in the common heard Apple values: the crossroads 
of technology and liberal arts.
Let's see what the future brings. I've copied Craig Federighi and hope your 
idea will interest him as well. 

Best regards, Bart


 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 22:58:39 +
 From: Mark Wardle m...@wardle.org
 To: WebObjects Development webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
 Cc: tc...@apple.com
 Subject: WebObjects development
 Message-ID: be1dc131-51be-45e1-877e-ecf2f6dd6...@wardle.org
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
 
 Hi all. 
 
 It is sad to hear the despondency permeating through the email list today.
 
 I think many of us have achieved so much with this technology stack, 
 solutions that would be much more difficult with other technologies. 
 
 I think Apple is missing a trick here. Perhaps I am naive but isn’t their 
 focus on vertical integration? WebObjects is and could be the server side 
 answer for iOS in the enterprise. For me, we’re just about to deploy our 
 first iOS apps running on iPads in our outpatient clinics, linking to our 
 WebObjects applications handling all of the complex business logic that we 
 need in healthcare. We’ve achieved this on a shoestring and it’s due to the 
 great design - seen in WebObjects and of course, by logical extension in the 
 related frameworks inherited from NeXT in modern Apple operating systems.
 
 Personally, I want Apple stuff in the enterprise - in my enterprise - in my 
 outpatient clinic. I think it would make a tremendous difference to how we 
 provide healthcare. WebObjects is such a good fit for iOS devices I just 
 cannot believe that Apple does not want to support such a great and 
 productive technology.
 
 Whatever the case, my WebObjects applications are still running and we are 
 getting more and more users here in this part of the UK! It is just a shame 
 Apple seems to have given up on it.
 
 I’ve copied in Tim Cook to this. At the back of my mind, I’m hoping he’ll 
 take an interest, realise overnight what a great technology this is and how 
 it can be a great product for both large and small enterprises, can form part 
 of a great technology stack and support iOS, and as such, re-incarnate 
 WebObjects - the technology we love! Mr Cook - could Apple un-deprecate this 
 technology please? It is really rather good!
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Mark
 
 -- 
 Dr. Mark Wardle
 Consultant Neurologist, University Hospital Wales, Cardiff, UK
 Email: mark.war...@wales.nhs.uk or m...@wardle.org  Twitter: @mwardle
 Telephone: 02920745274 (secretary) or facsimile: 02920744166






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Re: My last WOWODC

[jazz]

Hi,

I saw two messages on the list recently. Maybe we can combine the two?

Alan, would Apple be able to provide server access for Jenkins, Confluence? 
(current server is paid up to June 30th and there are not enough members to pay 
for it afterwards, see below).

Many thanks, Bart



Message: 2
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:50:14 -0700
From: Alan Ward aw...@apple.com
To: Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net
Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: WebObjects-Projects?
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I prefer sunny side up ;-)

-

Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 21:04:53 -0500
From: Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca
To: Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net
Cc: WebObjects Development webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: My last WOWODC
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Le 2014-03-06 à 13:51, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net a écrit :

 Hi Pascal,
 
 On 2014-03-05, 6:14 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
 
 Well, it's really the last WOWODC that I organize. I need time to fix some 
 minor health issues, and with my 40 hours+ job and the kids, I just don't 
 have the time (not excluding that I have spent more than 20 hours of 
 accounting, and have to write the annual report before March 20th).
 
 While I am sad to see it go, I think this is the right decision at this time. 
  I hope this makes your life a little better.  Have you given any thought on 
 what to do with the WO Community site and resources?  Will you still be 
 involved in that?

I can help with the server (upgrading Jenkins and Confluence, etc.), but I have 
no time to modernize the Web site. The server is paid up to June 30th, we will 
need more paid members to pay for it after that.

 
 Two guys from Germany contacted me to say that they can organize something in 
 Germany next year, which makes sense since this is the only area where the 
 number of WO developers doesn't drop every year.
 
 To the people who are coming to WOWODC 2014, I will be glad to see you one 
 last time (except virtually). To the others, I hope to see you somewhere in 
 future.
 
 We will be happy to see you again, too.  Thank you for all of your tireless 
 work over the years that made WOWODC actually happen.  Without you there 
 would not have been a WOWODC!
 
 
 Chuck
 
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Re: timezone for web users?

[jazz]

Hi Ken,

Can you send me the WO component ClientTimezone.zip? Sounds interesting and I 
would like to take a look.

Thanks, Jazz
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Re: WebObjects 5.3.4 Frontbase question

[jazz]

Thanks Ralph and Jesse!

Reimported the FrontBasePlugin.framework with target Application Server 
selected and works like a charm.

Regards, Bart

On 5 Mar 2013, at 19:41, Jesse Tayler wrote:

 that must be an old, old project!
 
 but if you add it to your class path it should get picked up if the jar file 
 is in the right folder on your server.
 
 my recollection is that it is best to use a standard folder where you might 
 find other jars, something library/java/jars or something you may already see 
 in your path.
 
 
 On Mar 5, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Tim Worman li...@thetimmy.com wrote:
 
 Bart:
 
 I think that most everyone on the list is multiple years removed from using 
 XCode for WO development. That makes it near impossible to recommend next 
 steps to you.
 
 Tim 
 UCLA GSEIS
 
 
 On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:02 AM, jazz jazzsa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ralph,
 
 Thanks for the reply. And how do I do that in xcode 2.4.1? I added the 
 FrontBasePlugin.framework again to the the project but no effect.
 
 Regards, Bart
 
 On 5 Mar 2013, at 17:46, Ralph Scheuer wrote:
 
 
 Hi Bart, 
 
 Add the FrontbasePlugin.framework to your Build Path and install it if 
 it's not on your machine.
 
 Cheers, 
 
 Ralph
 
 Am 05.03.2013 um 17:28 schrieb jazz jazzsa...@me.com:
 
 Hi list,
 
 Trying to make Frontbase 5.2.10 and WebObjects 5.3.4 to work (and yes I 
 do not use Wonder ;)
 
 How do I make sure that first the Frontbase framework is loaded? No I get 
 this error:
 
 [2013-03-05 17:10:40 CET] main A fatal exception occurred: Adaptor 
 com.webobjects.jdbcadaptor.JDBCAdaptor@11f1f failed to provide new 
 primary keys for entity blaaa
 
 So it seems that first the webobjects jdbc adaptor is loaded? 
 
 Generated classpath: 
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/Resources/Java/javafoundation.jar
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaEOControl.framework/Resources/Java/javaeocontrol.jar
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaEOAccess.framework/Resources/Java/javaeoaccess.jar
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/Java/javawebobjects.jar
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaWOExtensions.framework/Resources/Java/JavaWOExtensions.jar
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/Resources/Java/javaxml.jar
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/Resources/Java/javajdbcadaptor.jar
 /Users/poweradmin/Library/Java/
 /Library/Java/
 /System/Library/Java/
 /Network/Library/Java
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Classes/classes.jar
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Classes/ui.jar
 /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/axis-ant.jar
 /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/axis.jar
 /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/commons-discovery.jar
 /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/commons-logging.jar
 /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/frontbasejdbc.jar
 /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/jaxrpc.jar
 /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/log4j-1.2.8.jar
 /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/saaj.jar
 /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/wsdl4j.jar
 /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/
 
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WebObjects 5.3.4 Frontbase question

[jazz]

Hi list,

Trying to make Frontbase 5.2.10 and WebObjects 5.3.4 to work (and yes I do not 
use Wonder ;)

How do I make sure that first the Frontbase framework is loaded? No I get this 
error:

[2013-03-05 17:10:40 CET] main A fatal exception occurred: Adaptor 
com.webobjects.jdbcadaptor.JDBCAdaptor@11f1f failed to provide new primary keys 
for entity blaaa

So it seems that first the webobjects jdbc adaptor is loaded? 

Generated classpath: 
  
/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/Resources/Java/javafoundation.jar
  
/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaEOControl.framework/Resources/Java/javaeocontrol.jar
  
/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaEOAccess.framework/Resources/Java/javaeoaccess.jar
  
/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/Java/javawebobjects.jar
  
/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaWOExtensions.framework/Resources/Java/JavaWOExtensions.jar
  /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/Resources/Java/javaxml.jar
  
/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/Resources/Java/javajdbcadaptor.jar
  /Users/poweradmin/Library/Java/
  /Library/Java/
  /System/Library/Java/
  /Network/Library/Java
  /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Classes/classes.jar
  /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Classes/ui.jar
  /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/axis-ant.jar
  /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/axis.jar
  /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/commons-discovery.jar
  /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/commons-logging.jar
  /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/frontbasejdbc.jar
  /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/jaxrpc.jar
  /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/log4j-1.2.8.jar
  /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/saaj.jar
  /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/wsdl4j.jar
  /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/

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Re: WebObjects 5.3.4 Frontbase question

[jazz]

Hi Ralph,

Thanks for the reply. And how do I do that in xcode 2.4.1? I added the 
FrontBasePlugin.framework again to the the project but no effect.

Regards, Bart

On 5 Mar 2013, at 17:46, Ralph Scheuer wrote:

 
 Hi Bart, 
 
 Add the FrontbasePlugin.framework to your Build Path and install it if it's 
 not on your machine.
 
 Cheers, 
 
 Ralph
 
 Am 05.03.2013 um 17:28 schrieb jazz jazzsa...@me.com:
 
 Hi list,
 
 Trying to make Frontbase 5.2.10 and WebObjects 5.3.4 to work (and yes I do 
 not use Wonder ;)
 
 How do I make sure that first the Frontbase framework is loaded? No I get 
 this error:
 
 [2013-03-05 17:10:40 CET] main A fatal exception occurred: Adaptor 
 com.webobjects.jdbcadaptor.JDBCAdaptor@11f1f failed to provide new primary 
 keys for entity blaaa
 
 So it seems that first the webobjects jdbc adaptor is loaded? 
 
 Generated classpath: 
   
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/Resources/Java/javafoundation.jar
   
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaEOControl.framework/Resources/Java/javaeocontrol.jar
   
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaEOAccess.framework/Resources/Java/javaeoaccess.jar
   
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/Java/javawebobjects.jar
   
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaWOExtensions.framework/Resources/Java/JavaWOExtensions.jar
   /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/Resources/Java/javaxml.jar
   
 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/Resources/Java/javajdbcadaptor.jar
   /Users/poweradmin/Library/Java/
   /Library/Java/
   /System/Library/Java/
   /Network/Library/Java
   /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Classes/classes.jar
   /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Classes/ui.jar
   /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/axis-ant.jar
   /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/axis.jar
   /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/commons-discovery.jar
   /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/commons-logging.jar
   /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/frontbasejdbc.jar
   /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/jaxrpc.jar
   /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/log4j-1.2.8.jar
   /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/saaj.jar
   /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/wsdl4j.jar
   /Library/WebObjects/Extensions/
 
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Re: WOCommunity membership and goals

[jazz]

Hi all,

I was reading through the comments others made. For me two things are important:

1. How to integrate WebObjects and iOS (mobile apps): client - server 
communication without the use of Javascript frameworks on the client
2. Easy setup and deployment like the good old Apple WebObjects

Where do I fill in the survey? I missed that. 

Regards, Bart
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Re: beginner question: automatically going to next page

[jazz]

Hi Chuck,

Page2 gets a feed with information and has an appendToResponse method. But how 
do I implement WORedirect in an appendToResponse method (which does not return 
any methods, void)? Or do I need to add another method? If so which on?

public WOComponent signOut()
{
session().terminate();
WORedirect redirect = new WORedirect(context());

redirect.setUrl(context().directActionURLForActionNamed(default,null));
return redirect;
}

This would work, but it needs an action method (press button signOut). How can 
this work without user interaction?

Regards, Bart

On 23 Aug 2012, at 19:13, Chuck Hill wrote:

 Hi Bart,
 
 I think we will need some more details on what you have and what you want to 
 achieve.  Is a WORedirect what you are looking for?
 
 
 Chuck
 
 On 2012-08-23, at 8:04 AM, wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I have a question. How do you go automatically to the next page without 
 action methods such as button clicks?
 The first page is reached using a WOActionResults DA method. This connects 
 to the next page using pageWithName(page2). Page2 has an appendToResponse 
 method so this can not have a return page?
 
 Thanks for your help! 
 
 Regards, Bart
 
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WO 2012 by Apple?

[jazz]

Hi,

I read about something interesting:

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/04/apple-reveals-new-whiz-bang-no-code-content-authoring-tool.html

Is this WO 2012 by Apple?

Best regards, Bart
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WebObjects 5.3 on 10.4 compatible with OpenBase SQL 11?

[jazz]

Hi,

I am running Webobjects from Mac OS 10.4 using OpenBase 8. Importing large txt 
files into the database crash the application. Is it possible to update to 
OpenBase 11? Or will the compatibility with Xcode 2.1 / WebObjects 5.3 break?

In general it would be nice to know who is developing for Webobjects in 10.4. I 
read a lot about Eclipse in the mailing list but not so much about the original 
Webobjects/Xcode environment.

Thanks for your help!

Best regards,

Bart
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