Re: PHP Customer Request
On 08/04/2011, at 4:23 AM, Dov Rosenberg wrote: This says a lot about the customer in general. If his primary motivation for going with PHP is cheap hosting - he is going to be a pain in the ass when it comes to payment and functionality. These kind of people want the moon for the price of a trip around the block. http://vimeo.com/22053820 When I first started in this business nearly 20 years ago - I came across a bunch of these guys - nearly killed me Dov On 4/7/11 9:38 AM, Dov Rosenberg drosenb...@inquira.com wrote: It is a lot cheaper to host a php site - the cheapest GoDaddy hosting plan for $5/mon includes PHP and mysql. Dov On 4/7/11 8:55 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: The place to start is to understand why your customer wants (or thinks that he wants) a site specifically in PHP. Maybe he has a valid reason. Maybe he thinks that PHP brings some benefit that other technologies don't. In that case, focus on the technical and business needs and then help him to select a technology based on that. Chuck On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Amedeo Mantica wrote: Hello all, Generic question, how do you promote Java/WebObjects technology to customers ? A customer today asked me for a PHP/MySQ WebSite/WebApp. That was a specific request., he doesn't want a dynamic WebSite, he wants a php based website. Suggestions ? Amed ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village . net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/drosenberg%40inquira.com This email sent to drosenb...@inquira.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/qdolan%40gmail.com This email sent to qdo...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: PHP Customer Request
That is a great presentation for anyone doing contract or consulting work. I wish I had seen it 12 years ago. Chuck On 2011-04-14, at 10:57 PM, Q wrote: On 08/04/2011, at 4:23 AM, Dov Rosenberg wrote: This says a lot about the customer in general. If his primary motivation for going with PHP is cheap hosting - he is going to be a pain in the ass when it comes to payment and functionality. These kind of people want the moon for the price of a trip around the block. http://vimeo.com/22053820 When I first started in this business nearly 20 years ago - I came across a bunch of these guys - nearly killed me Dov On 4/7/11 9:38 AM, Dov Rosenberg drosenb...@inquira.com wrote: It is a lot cheaper to host a php site - the cheapest GoDaddy hosting plan for $5/mon includes PHP and mysql. Dov On 4/7/11 8:55 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: The place to start is to understand why your customer wants (or thinks that he wants) a site specifically in PHP. Maybe he has a valid reason. Maybe he thinks that PHP brings some benefit that other technologies don't. In that case, focus on the technical and business needs and then help him to select a technology based on that. Chuck On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Amedeo Mantica wrote: Hello all, Generic question, how do you promote Java/WebObjects technology to customers ? A customer today asked me for a PHP/MySQ WebSite/WebApp. That was a specific request., he doesn't want a dynamic WebSite, he wants a php based website. Suggestions ? Amed ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village . net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/drosenberg%40inquira.com This email sent to drosenb...@inquira.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/qdolan%40gmail.com This email sent to qdo...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
PHP Customer Request
Hello all, Generic question, how do you promote Java/WebObjects technology to customers ? A customer today asked me for a PHP/MySQ WebSite/WebApp. That was a specific request., he doesn't want a dynamic WebSite, he wants a php based website. Suggestions ? Amed ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: PHP Customer Request
IMHO, PHP and MySql can make a dynamic web site... And for some smaller sites, it makes total sense. Using a steam roller to set a nail tends to bruise fingers. ;-) M. On 7/Apr/2011, at 8:41 AM, Amedeo Mantica wrote: Hello all, Generic question, how do you promote Java/WebObjects technology to customers ? A customer today asked me for a PHP/MySQ WebSite/WebApp. That was a specific request., he doesn't want a dynamic WebSite, he wants a php based website. Suggestions ? Amed ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mark.ritchie%40mac.com This email sent to mark.ritc...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: PHP Customer Request
Save yourself the grief - the customer is an idiot if he thinks a php site is not a dynamic site. Dov On 4/7/11 8:41 AM, Amedeo Mantica amedeomail...@insigno.it wrote: Hello all, Generic question, how do you promote Java/WebObjects technology to customers ? A customer today asked me for a PHP/MySQ WebSite/WebApp. That was a specific request., he doesn't want a dynamic WebSite, he wants a php based website. Suggestions ? Amed ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/drosenberg%40inquira.com This email sent to drosenb...@inquira.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: PHP Customer Request
The place to start is to understand why your customer wants (or thinks that he wants) a site specifically in PHP. Maybe he has a valid reason. Maybe he thinks that PHP brings some benefit that other technologies don't. In that case, focus on the technical and business needs and then help him to select a technology based on that. Chuck On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Amedeo Mantica wrote: Hello all, Generic question, how do you promote Java/WebObjects technology to customers ? A customer today asked me for a PHP/MySQ WebSite/WebApp. That was a specific request., he doesn't want a dynamic WebSite, he wants a php based website. Suggestions ? Amed ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: PHP Customer Request
It is a lot cheaper to host a php site - the cheapest GoDaddy hosting plan for $5/mon includes PHP and mysql. Dov On 4/7/11 8:55 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: The place to start is to understand why your customer wants (or thinks that he wants) a site specifically in PHP. Maybe he has a valid reason. Maybe he thinks that PHP brings some benefit that other technologies don't. In that case, focus on the technical and business needs and then help him to select a technology based on that. Chuck On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Amedeo Mantica wrote: Hello all, Generic question, how do you promote Java/WebObjects technology to customers ? A customer today asked me for a PHP/MySQ WebSite/WebApp. That was a specific request., he doesn't want a dynamic WebSite, he wants a php based website. Suggestions ? Amed ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village. net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: PHP Customer Request
I'd build him the PHP system, then take his money again when he wants to upgrade the system. Paul On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote: It is a lot cheaper to host a php site - the cheapest GoDaddy hosting plan for $5/mon includes PHP and mysql. Dov On 4/7/11 8:55 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: The place to start is to understand why your customer wants (or thinks that he wants) a site specifically in PHP. Maybe he has a valid reason. Maybe he thinks that PHP brings some benefit that other technologies don't. In that case, focus on the technical and business needs and then help him to select a technology based on that. Chuck On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Amedeo Mantica wrote: Hello all, Generic question, how do you promote Java/WebObjects technology to customers ? A customer today asked me for a PHP/MySQ WebSite/WebApp. That was a specific request., he doesn't want a dynamic WebSite, he wants a php based website. Suggestions ? Amed ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village. net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com This email sent to p...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: PHP Customer Request
This says a lot about the customer in general. If his primary motivation for going with PHP is cheap hosting - he is going to be a pain in the ass when it comes to payment and functionality. These kind of people want the moon for the price of a trip around the block. When I first started in this business nearly 20 years ago - I came across a bunch of these guys - nearly killed me Dov On 4/7/11 9:38 AM, Dov Rosenberg drosenb...@inquira.com wrote: It is a lot cheaper to host a php site - the cheapest GoDaddy hosting plan for $5/mon includes PHP and mysql. Dov On 4/7/11 8:55 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: The place to start is to understand why your customer wants (or thinks that he wants) a site specifically in PHP. Maybe he has a valid reason. Maybe he thinks that PHP brings some benefit that other technologies don't. In that case, focus on the technical and business needs and then help him to select a technology based on that. Chuck On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Amedeo Mantica wrote: Hello all, Generic question, how do you promote Java/WebObjects technology to customers ? A customer today asked me for a PHP/MySQ WebSite/WebApp. That was a specific request., he doesn't want a dynamic WebSite, he wants a php based website. Suggestions ? Amed ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village . net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/drosenberg%40inquira.com This email sent to drosenb...@inquira.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: PHP Customer Request
Greetings Dov, That is because half of the people whom made the means and built the trips to the moon were paid with a trip around the block. Later, Daniel Beatty, Ph.D. Candidate Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 474300D 2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109 China Lake, CA 93555 daniel.bea...@navy.mil (760)939-7097 On 4/7/11 11:23 AM, Dov Rosenberg drosenb...@inquira.com wrote: This says a lot about the customer in general. If his primary motivation for going with PHP is cheap hosting - he is going to be a pain in the ass when it comes to payment and functionality. These kind of people want the moon for the price of a trip around the block. When I first started in this business nearly 20 years ago - I came across a bunch of these guys - nearly killed me Dov On 4/7/11 9:38 AM, Dov Rosenberg drosenb...@inquira.com wrote: It is a lot cheaper to host a php site - the cheapest GoDaddy hosting plan for $5/mon includes PHP and mysql. Dov On 4/7/11 8:55 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: The place to start is to understand why your customer wants (or thinks that he wants) a site specifically in PHP. Maybe he has a valid reason. Maybe he thinks that PHP brings some benefit that other technologies don't. In that case, focus on the technical and business needs and then help him to select a technology based on that. Chuck On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Amedeo Mantica wrote: Hello all, Generic question, how do you promote Java/WebObjects technology to customers ? A customer today asked me for a PHP/MySQ WebSite/WebApp. That was a specific request., he doesn't want a dynamic WebSite, he wants a php based website. Suggestions ? Amed ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village . net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/drosenberg%40inquira.co m This email sent to drosenb...@inquira.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/daniel.beatty%40navy.mil This email sent to daniel.bea...@navy.mil ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
