Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Nabble Rocks the mailing lists.

2010-11-04 Thread Michael Wheatland
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Documentation-f1645240.html


On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hi,

 Wheatbix wrote on 2010-11-04 04.18:

 Who is in charge of Nabble? There seems to be a problem in that some of
 the
 forums redirect to
 paintedfrogceramics.com ???

 do you have an example?

 Florian


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Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Florian,

Florian Effenberger wrote (04-11-10 07:31)

the page at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings looks
quite ugly now. Did someone screw it up, or is it a configuration error?


I loaded it this morning around 6:15 and it was Ok then (still on my 
screen, did not refresh)


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Nabble Rocks the mailing lists.

2010-11-04 Thread Florian Effenberger

This opens the forum for me?

Michael Wheatland wrote on 2010-11-04 07.37:

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Documentation-f1645240.html


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Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Florian Effenberger

The first paragraph looks like

Discussions of the a 
href=http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/;Steering 
Committee/a take place on public mailing lists.


and upon first loading, the edit link is only visible for some 
paragraphs.. :(


Cor Nouws wrote on 2010-11-04 07.52:


No just fine. The only tag I see is close at the bottom
a href=Category:TDFSteering Committee Meetings/a


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Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Cor Nouws

History shows this latest change
  # (huidig | vorige) 2010-11-04T06:29:15 Floeff (Overleg | bijdragen) 
(18.154 bytes)


Cor Nouws wrote (04-11-10 07:52)

Florian Effenberger wrote (04-11-10 07:51)

How do the links look like? Here they look really strange, for every
link the URL is visible


No just fine. The only tag I see is close at the bottom
a href=Category:TDFSteering Committee Meetings/a



Cor Nouws wrote on 2010-11-04 07.50:

I loaded it this morning around 6:15 and it was Ok then (still on my
screen, did not refresh)








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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Nabble Rocks the mailing lists.

2010-11-04 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi,

2010/11/4 Wheatbix mich...@wheatland.com.au:

 Who is in charge of Nabble? There seems to be a problem in that some of the
 forums redirect to
 paintedfrogceramics.com ???

I am not sure, but I think Drew Jensen can explain.

Volker


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Nabble Rocks the mailing lists.

2010-11-04 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 04/11/2010 07:37, Michael Wheatland a écrit :
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Documentation-f1645240.html
Same problem for French forums.
I use NoScript extension for Firefox and the links on
http://oucv.paintedfrogceramics.com/tdf-fr.html#nabble-f1744075 do not
work. I do not want execute a script located on such unknown site.

Best regards
JBF


 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Florian Effenberger
 flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hi,

 Wheatbix wrote on 2010-11-04 04.18:
 Who is in charge of Nabble? There seems to be a problem in that some of
 the
 forums redirect to
 paintedfrogceramics.com ???
 do you have an example?

 Florian



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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Drupal test site -- Proof of concept

2010-11-04 Thread Rimas Kudelis

2010.11.03 17:29, Christian Lohmaier rašė:

The site uses the ugly node/number  scheme


Just wondering: is it at all possible to avoid node/number URLS for 
news/blog articles in Drupal? It seems like canonical.com has this 
feature, but it's weird that it's not Drupal's default. Shame...


Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Volker Merschmann wrote on 2010-11-04 08.37:

I've pinged Manuel through IRC.


thanks!


He activated the extended editor, maybe someone did not see that.


Yes, but why does the editor modify existing pages?

Thanks,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Nino Novak
On Thursday 04 November 2010 07:31, Florian Effenberger wrote:
 Hello,

 the page at
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings
 looks quite ugly now. Did someone screw it up, or is it a
 configuration error?

Do you still see strange things? For me, the page looks ok now.

Nino

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Drupal test site -- Proof of concept

2010-11-04 Thread Michael Wheatland
Drupal has a module called path and pathauto which do exactly that,
but there is still the underlying node number scheme.
It is pretty easy to implement, which I did for the english version of
the site, I am a little inexperienced with i18n, so there are some
issues that I am sure someone can tackle.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt wrote:
 2010.11.03 17:29, Christian Lohmaier rašė:

 The site uses the ugly node/number  scheme

 Just wondering: is it at all possible to avoid node/number URLS for
 news/blog articles in Drupal? It seems like canonical.com has this feature,
 but it's weird that it's not Drupal's default. Shame...

 Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi,

(sorry this tends to be a topic for the website-list, but as it
started here ...)
2010/11/4 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org:
 Nino Novak wrote on 2010-11-04 09.24:

 Do you still see strange things? For me, the page looks ok now.

 I do. After some links, there are lots of spaces, others are enclosed in
 HTML tages. Still broken page for me. ;(

I pinged Manuel on IRC (he is always on) and he explained to me that
misuse of the so-called FCKEditor can lead to these mistakes.
He asks for permissuin to disable the FCKEditor.

Volker

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Drupal test site -- Proof of concept

2010-11-04 Thread Carlos Jenkins
2010/11/4 Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt

 2010.11.03 17:29, Christian Lohmaier rašė:

  The site uses the ugly node/number  scheme


 Just wondering: is it at all possible to avoid node/number URLS for
 news/blog articles in Drupal? It seems like canonical.com has this
 feature, but it's weird that it's not Drupal's default. Shame...


Yes, no problem. Please check this e-mail I wrote some weeks ago.

As Michael said, the pathauto module allow to define patterns for automatic
URL naming of content types.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Carlos Jenkins
2010/11/4 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 Hi,

 Volker Merschmann wrote on 2010-11-04 09.36:

  I pinged Manuel on IRC (he is always on) and he explained to me that
 misuse of the so-called FCKEditor can lead to these mistakes.
 He asks for permissuin to disable the FCKEditor.


 basically, yes, but which WYSIWYG editor does he propose? We can *not* go
 without that, I fear.

:(

Go MediaWiki pure syntax! jeje no, just kidding. But what would be fine that
the user could be able to configure if he want to use the WYSIWYG editor or
disable it on every edit. I had to disable the editor each time I want to
edit a page or after previewing the changes. MediaWiki can do that?

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Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi,

2010/11/4 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org:
 Volker Merschmann wrote on 2010-11-04 09.36:

 I pinged Manuel on IRC (he is always on) and he explained to me that
 misuse of the so-called FCKEditor can lead to these mistakes.
 He asks for permissuin to disable the FCKEditor.

 basically, yes, but which WYSIWYG editor does he propose? We can *not* go
 without that, I fear.

He would recommend to do without a WYSIWYG editor as there is none
which works really.
Manuel said that this is the reason that the Wikipedia also hasn't
one. The best workin thing is the toolbar he added yesterday.

Bye

Volker


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Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Volker Merschmann wrote on 2010-11-04 10.24:

He would recommend to do without a WYSIWYG editor as there is none
which works really.
Manuel said that this is the reason that the Wikipedia also hasn't
one. The best workin thing is the toolbar he added yesterday.


I'm against it - I know lots of people who are not comfortable with the 
MW syntax.


However, why do the errors occur just now, and weren't visible 
previously? Does he have any idea?


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Drupal test site -- Proof of concept

2010-11-04 Thread Carlos Jenkins
2010/11/4 Carlos Jenkins hastciber...@gmail.com

 Yes, no problem. Please check this e-mail I wrote some weeks ago.


What? I didn't include the link? I'm sorry :( There it is:

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/CMS-requirements-suitability-testing-td1646785i20.html#a1690122
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/CMS-requirements-suitability-testing-td1646785i20.html#a1690122

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Modules for Documentation Framework

2010-11-04 Thread Carlos Jenkins
Hi everyone,

This cross listing post is making me crazy :P, I answered Jean post in the
Documentation list:

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Need-of-a-documentation-framework-for-LibreOffice-tp1811163p1840100.html

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Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Carlos Jenkins
2010/11/4 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 believe me - we *NEED* a WYSIWYG editor, if we want large contributions to
 the wiki (which we do). ;)

Yes, I suppose we do :(

What generated the problem on that page? I mean, yes, the editor, but what
use or function or use method gave that problem? Do we know?

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[libreoffice-website] test instance for CMS

2010-11-04 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

before we can go live with the CMS, I need to move the list archives - 
LANG.libreoffice.org will be managed with Silverstripe lather on, so it 
cannot contain the list archives, so these will be in archives.tdf or 
the like soon.


I might not be able to manage that transfer before the weekend, but I 
want the work on the CMS go on. ;)


Is it harmful to set-up an interim name for the new site, like 
LANG.cms.libreoffice.org, so you can work on it, and rename it to 
LANG.libreoffice.org next week? Would that work, or cause more work on 
your end?


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[libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi Carlo, *

Carlo Jenkins wrote:
 2010/11/4 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org
 
  Hi,
 
  Volker Merschmann wrote on 2010-11-04 09.36:
 
   I pinged Manuel on IRC (he is always on) and he explained to me that
  misuse of the so-called FCKEditor can lead to these mistakes.
  He asks for permissuin to disable the FCKEditor.
 
 
  basically, yes, but which WYSIWYG editor does he propose? We can *not* go
  without that, I fear.
 
 :(
 
 Go MediaWiki pure syntax! jeje no, just kidding. But what would be fine that
 the user could be able to configure if he want to use the WYSIWYG editor or
 disable it on every edit. I had to disable the editor each time I want to
 edit a page or after previewing the changes. MediaWiki can do that?

I disabled it in my user preferences, so I can use the MediaWiki syntax I got 
used to at the OOo wiki site
(I know that is not, what the normal user wants, but I couldn't find out in 
reasonable time how to position graphics beside text, create galleries and such)

Best regards

Bernhard




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[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Carlos,

Sorry for skipping the s... :-(

Here you get two of them: 

I wrote:
 Hi Carlo, *
  \s
 
 Carlo Jenkins wrote:
   \s
 [...]

best regards

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(losing his h every now and then...)




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Re: [libreoffice-website] Mailing lists

2010-11-04 Thread Graham Lauder
On Thursday 04 Nov 2010 02:52:23 Nino Novak wrote:
 On Wednesday 03 November 2010 13:18, Graham Lauder wrote:
  On Wednesday 03 Nov 2010 22:15:30 Nino Novak wrote:
  ...
  
   what do you mean by I tried - how did you try to post the
   message?
   
   A mailing list is used here because it allows maximum working
   efficency, far over any web based service.
  
  You are of course kidding, I couldn't post to any TDF lists or
  addresses for about three days because the list decided to blacklist
  my ISP and they all got bounced as spam and that during a critical
  discussion
 
 Ok, now I see what you meant. I have several mail addresses, so if a
 temporary failure occurs in one of the pathways, I just switch and
 continue without delay.
 
 I snip the rest of your message as I did not want to start a religious
 war here but just to look if there's something going wrong which could
 be addressed quickly. As for data loss, there are public archives
 around you can use.

I just felt it was a bit rich saying that someone that didn't like maillists 
was obviously incapable of using them properly. Hardly helpful 

 
 And as for the project here, it has been started with mailing lists, so
 we all have to accept to use them. Migration to forums or other tools
 is  possible but can only happen, if a majority of members support it
 and want it.

I've been involved with FOSS projects for nigh on ten years, didn't like mail 
lists back then and don't like their limitations now, but then like now, I put 
up with them because a majority of the administrators like it that way.  OOo 
has 13,000 people signed up to the mail lists, the majority don't use them. 
Users freaking out about being swamped with emails or not knowing how to 
subscribe or unsubscribe, or posting without subscription or getting lost 
amongst all the lists is a daily occurrence. So don't tell me they're 
efficient, they are a broken system but we have gotten so used to the hacks 
and workarounds we refuse to open our minds to the fact that the vast majority 
of our User catchment either don't or can't or find it difficult to use them.

However I've beaten this particular drum on numerous occasions before and it's 
a pointless exercise, I've stopped giving clients directions to the lists and 
now only point them to the forums and useful blogs and I just shrug and carry 
on in the knowledge that nothing is likely to change and thank the gods for 
Drew and Hagar and all the others on the forums.

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[libreoffice-website] Re: test instance for CMS

2010-11-04 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *,

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 before we can go live with the CMS, I need to move the list archives -
 LANG.libreoffice.org will be managed with Silverstripe lather on, so it
 cannot contain the list archives, so these will be in archives.tdf or the
 like soon.

(it would be possible to use the old urls, by using a rewrite rule as
written in a PM, but using a dedicated domain is preferred and also
easier to handle)

 I might not be able to manage that transfer before the weekend, but I want
 the work on the CMS go on. ;)

Yay! :-)

 Is it harmful to set-up an interim name for the new site, like
 LANG.cms.libreoffice.org, so you can work on it, and rename it to
 LANG.libreoffice.org next week? Would that work, or cause more work on your
 end?

Subsites configuration is just a matter of typing the dns name of
coice into a text-entry box and hit save :-)

So no, not more work.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Nabble Rocks the mailing lists.

2010-11-04 Thread drew
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 09:01 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
 Le 04/11/2010 07:37, Michael Wheatland a écrit :
  http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Documentation-f1645240.html
 Same problem for French forums.
 I use NoScript extension for Firefox and the links on
 http://oucv.paintedfrogceramics.com/tdf-fr.html#nabble-f1744075 do not
 work. I do not want execute a script located on such unknown site.

OK that one is fixed - now I need to go check 34 others, cause they
could have it also...arrrgh...it's only when you came in from a direct
sub-form like that - so starting at nabble.df.org you wouldn't have
found it -anyway - off to check the others.


 
 Best regards
 JBF
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Florian Effenberger
  flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Wheatbix wrote on 2010-11-04 04.18:
  Who is in charge of Nabble? There seems to be a problem in that some of
  the
  forums redirect to
  paintedfrogceramics.com ???
  do you have an example?
 
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Nabble Rocks the mailing lists.

2010-11-04 Thread drew
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 09:01 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
 Le 04/11/2010 07:37, Michael Wheatland a écrit :
  http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Documentation-f1645240.html
 Same problem for French forums.
 I use NoScript extension for Firefox and the links on
 http://oucv.paintedfrogceramics.com/tdf-fr.html#nabble-f1744075 do not
 work. I do not want execute a script located on such unknown site.


Anyway - as fas as I can see there was that list and 4 others like it -
they are fixed.

 
 Best regards
 JBF
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Florian Effenberger
  flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Wheatbix wrote on 2010-11-04 04.18:
  Who is in charge of Nabble? There seems to be a problem in that some of
  the
  forums redirect to
  paintedfrogceramics.com ???
  do you have an example?
 
  Florian
 
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Nabble Rocks the mailing lists.

2010-11-04 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 04/11/2010 12:38, drew a écrit :
 On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 09:01 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
 Le 04/11/2010 07:37, Michael Wheatland a écrit :
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Documentation-f1645240.html
 Same problem for French forums.
 I use NoScript extension for Firefox and the links on
 http://oucv.paintedfrogceramics.com/tdf-fr.html#nabble-f1744075 do not
 work. I do not want execute a script located on such unknown site.

 Anyway - as fas as I can see there was that list and 4 others like it -
 they are fixed.
Really ? I get the same site even after I have cleaned the browser cache
(ctrl+R in Firefox). See attached screen copy.

Best regards

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Nabble Rocks the mailing lists.

2010-11-04 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 04/11/2010 12:51, Jean-Baptiste Faure a écrit :
 Le 04/11/2010 12:38, drew a écrit :
 On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 09:01 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
 Le 04/11/2010 07:37, Michael Wheatland a écrit :
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Documentation-f1645240.html
 Same problem for French forums.
 I use NoScript extension for Firefox and the links on
 http://oucv.paintedfrogceramics.com/tdf-fr.html#nabble-f1744075 do not
 work. I do not want execute a script located on such unknown site.
 Anyway - as fas as I can see there was that list and 4 others like it -
 they are fixed.
 Really ? I get the same site even after I have cleaned the browser cache
 (ctrl+R in Firefox). See attached screen copy.
No attached file for this list.
Screen copy is here :
http://www.cijoint.fr/cjlink.php?file=cj201011/cij8xHCPwF.png

Regards
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Nabble Rocks the mailing lists.

2010-11-04 Thread drew jensen
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 08:32 +0100, Volker Merschmann wrote:
 Hi,
 
 2010/11/4 Wheatbix mich...@wheatland.com.au:
 
  Who is in charge of Nabble? There seems to be a problem in that some of the
  forums redirect to
  paintedfrogceramics.com ???
 
 I am not sure, but I think Drew Jensen can explain.

Actually I can't well not exactly - the site is mine and I had all kinds
of scripts playing with them, but none should be firing from the tdf
domain...not the way it's being called anyway.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Nabble Rocks the mailing lists.

2010-11-04 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 04/11/2010 13:07, drew a écrit :
 On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 12:53 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
 Le 04/11/2010 12:51, Jean-Baptiste Faure a écrit :
 Le 04/11/2010 12:38, drew a écrit :
 On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 09:01 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
 Le 04/11/2010 07:37, Michael Wheatland a écrit :
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Documentation-f1645240.html
 Same problem for French forums.
 I use NoScript extension for Firefox and the links on
 http://oucv.paintedfrogceramics.com/tdf-fr.html#nabble-f1744075 do not
 work. I do not want execute a script located on such unknown site.
 Anyway - as fas as I can see there was that list and 4 others like it -
 they are fixed.
 Really ? I get the same site even after I have cleaned the browser cache
 (ctrl+R in Firefox). See attached screen copy.
 No attached file for this list.
 Screen copy is here :
 http://www.cijoint.fr/cjlink.php?file=cj201011/cij8xHCPwF.png

 Regards
 JBF
 Hi

 Well if you enter from documentfoundation you will not see
 paintedfrogceramics any longer. because it doesn't do any redirect there
 any longer.

 - if you enter from the paintedfrogcercmics link - then you are loading
 a file that exists on that server and includes a link to the nabble js
 widget - but you aren't on the tdf site any longer...


I entered the forum via this link :
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/French-f1744075.html
Ok, it works now.


Best regards
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[libreoffice-website] Re: Mailing lists

2010-11-04 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi Michael, all,

Michael Wheatland wrote:
 [...]
 
 Can someone who thinks they represent the mailing list aficionado
 please add these requirements to the wiki drupal website requirements.
 As long as we capture ALL of the requirements, everyone should be happy.

I don't represent anybody but me, but what I need is:
- a system I can use offline with the same functions as online
- small download volume
- threading (and listing of headings)
- notification of unread postings
- marking postings for later reply
- inline replies (hopefully without retyping the citation)
- reply and forward to the main repository, other forums/mailing lists and 
individuals
- search for different aspects like senders name, mail address, posting's 
heading and content
- online usage without cookies (not allowed at work)
- ... probably forgot something ...

I can work with mailing lists - don't know about other possibilities.

Best regards 

Bernhard





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[libreoffice-website] Re: ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-11-04 05:59, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Hi,

Carlos Jenkins wrote on 2010-11-04 10.57:

Actually I was looking at the code generated by the actual editor and is
quite ugly... terrible indeed :S But I understand is difficult for
users to
write in mediawiki format... mmm... I see no solution here. Wikipedia
has a
very nice little, very little bar that inserts the tags on the text,
instead
of generating it a visually interpret them. There is no a little more
complete editor with those features? Not generating, just inserting the
tags?


believe me - we *NEED* a WYSIWYG editor, if we want large contributions
to the wiki (which we do). ;)

Florian



Ok, I'll chime in on this one. A WYSIWYG is definitely needed. Or we 
will all suffer the wrath of new users' use of the MW syntax inluding 
mine. Not a nice sight. You will not want to go there unless you want 
more help mails from users.


Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Drupal test site -- Proof of concept

2010-11-04 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Michael, *,

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:35 AM, Michael Wheatland
mich...@wheatland.com.au wrote:
Everyone setting up their own drupal site is /not/ collaboration. That
is everything doing his/her own thing.

If you cannot give an explanation, why there are 4 drupal sites
necessary, why it would make sense to use four different sites, I
stick with my opinion: It is a waste of efforts and time.

 Christian,
 Your suggested negatives are the very core of rapid prototyping,
 Drupal is VERY easy to set up quickly

I don't blame you personally, but I heard this over and over again,
and despite it being so easy, people only tak big, but don't configure
it.

 and it is often easier to
 demonstrate ideas you are talking about.

Sure - but again: Why don't demonstrate it on one site? Why have four?

 If we all just did what we
 wanted to some official installation it would be a giant mess and not
 well integrated across the site.

I have no idea what you mean with official installation. But if you
cannot integrate the different ideas now, how would you integrate them
when it comes to setting up the real site?

So sorry, I don't accept this as argument for having multiple drupal
installations. In contrary, that is an argument against multiple
sites, if people create conflicting setups, then it is best to be
aware of it now and have time to look for a way that combines both
ideas, and not wait until last minute.


 I don't think we are yet at the stage where we should be constructing
 the final draft of the drupal site, it has really only been a few days
 yet.

No one is talking about a final draft. But starting with default
drupal installations over and over again just won't help to setup a
site (a configuration, a prototype) that you could call ready for
production

 We need to get the structure right and that will involve more
 prototyping probably. Sorry.

Don't sorry me - explain why you cannot do this on one Drupal site.

 Also, In any organisation, voluntary or not it is not, it is not
 acceptable to call peoples work A waste of efforts and time. People
 have worked very hard on creating these resources which will be used
 in building a final site. If you don't understand it, just say that.

I don't care if an individual works hard for his pet project. If that
individuals only does so to please his/her own ego, then the community
isn't helped.
And I demand you to not pull quotes out of context.

And I guess I pretty much did write that I don't understand it. But
drupal folks seem to have the answer-avoidance gene, instead they
brag about how great drupal is. Again, don't blame you personally, but
if you take the time to read the previous mails on this list, you'd
maybe understand my POV.

I want results. I don't want taking about how you /could/ do it.
I'm all with you that it needs a site to actually demonstrate stuff.
But again: Why four?

If you cannot come up with reasonable distinct use-cases for the four
sites, then I stick with my opinion. In my eyes having four drupal
demo/prototype sites is a waste of time and efforts.


And the new server isn't meant to host the drupal demo site, but only
the in-production sites. The drupal prototyping/demoing would need to
continue on one of the sites.

(And I don't see why that should be a problem)

 All,
 May I suggest www.libreoffice.org/drupal for the official development site.
 Can it be hosted on the new CMS server?

No.

 We will need to decide quickly who needs what permissions.

Because of this. shell access to production servers will be rather limited.

But again: You already got sites where people can have shell-access.
So just use those.

 [...]
 I have not seen any community collaboration on SilverLight yet,

Its silverstripe, but I'll forgive you. I'll also forgive you that you
didn't read a month worth of previous mails on the lists.

In case you wonder: There is no need for any further collaboration, as
it fulfills all requirements that were laid out, it does the job.
There have been logins provided to check the feel of the cms and stuff.

 is
 there a possibility we may have to step up to the plate and launch
 sooner or is SL being built without community collaboration?

Now it is getting silly. Get your facts straight, then start accusing
people of not involving anybody.

Fact is: Those who requested a under the hood view of silverstipre
were granted that under the hood look. There weren't many, but it was
convincing enough to go ahead and use silverstripe for one project
(CD/DVD collection) no matter what the SC did pick, no matter what the
main project will choose.

Fact is: I didn't put down any requests for access to the silverstripe
installation. (Nobody else requested that type of access)

I can only guess on the last part, but I'm /sure/ that not all of the
drupal followers did even bother to log in to silverstripe and check
it out.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

2010-11-04 Thread Carlos Jenkins
Hi Bernhard

2010/11/4 Dr. Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at

 I disabled it in my user preferences, so I can use the MediaWiki syntax I
 got used to at the OOo wiki site
 (I know that is not, what the normal user wants, but I couldn't find out
 in reasonable time how to position graphics beside text, create galleries
 and such)

Ups, my bad :S Didn't see that option. Fixed!
Preferences - Edition - Disable Rich Editor if anyone want to disable it
too.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Drupal test site -- Proof of concept

2010-11-04 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Michael,

just a small addition concerning the logo - I've created some logos that
are pixel perfect and usable for a certain size. So if you see a logo on
any website that might be useful for you, there is a good chance that
I'll find it on my disk drive :-)

Cheers,
Christoph

Am Mittwoch, den 03.11.2010, 08:32 +0100 schrieb Volker Merschmann:
 Hi Michael,
 
 2010/11/3 Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au:
  Out of interest does anyone know where I can get a SVG of the LibreOffice 
  Logo?
  I would like to have a go at creating some project artwork.
 
 Look at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Logos
 under Resources
 More information on the marketing list.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-website] The real thing is available (CMS on the new server ready for use)

2010-11-04 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Bernhard, *,

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 Christian Lohmaier schrieb:

 After that, mail this list/me with the email used to register and what
 kind of access you want
 (author, publisher or admin)

 Am I right to assume, that author creations and modifications will have to
 be reviewed by a publisher, while publishers will have the right to create
 new content without additional revision?

Yes, exactly.

 Do you plan to divide access to different areas (not only native-lang, but
 teams like marketing/branding, QA, ...) ?

It is possible to have different access by subsites - and by default a
member will only have access to the one subsite he requests access
for, but of course a user can be author in de project, publisher in
marketing, and subsite admn in qa project.

It is also possible to have special areas within a subsite with
different permission setup.

 I'd like to have publisher access (mainly for branding/artwork and marketing
 material).

What would the preferred hostname be? artwork or branding? or is it
meant to all be within the marketing project?

I'm not involved enough to decide whether it makes sense to seperate
them or not.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] The real thing is available (CMS on the new server ready for use)

2010-11-04 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol

Hi,
Am 04.11.2010 23:09, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:

Hmm - ths time the recaptcha keys have been entered right from the
start, and this time I also checke the register page before announcing
:-) - so long story short: I cannot reproduce.
The captcha-entry is visible in a fresh session, wiith empty cache,
and works fine here.
What browser did you use?

ie8.0

And does it make any difference when you use
http:// instead of https://

Yes, with http:// there is a captcha question in ie8.0.



The same procedure. Someone must test it as author.


Noted - thanks a lot - for de. project I guess?

+1


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Re: [libreoffice-website] The real thing is available (CMS on the new server ready for use)

2010-11-04 Thread Andy Brown

On Thu Nov 04 2010 14:17:50 GMT-0700 (PDT)  Christian Lohmaier wrote:


After that, mail this list/me with the email used to register and what
kind of access you want
(author, publisher or admin)



Hi Christian,

Created account with a...@the-martin-byrd.net and have access to the 
site.  I would like to request publisher access.


Andy Brown
therabi


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Re: [libreoffice-website] The real thing is available (CMS on the new server ready for use)

2010-11-04 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Andy,

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote:
 On Thu Nov 04 2010 14:17:50 GMT-0700 (PDT)  Christian Lohmaier wrote:

 After that, mail this list/me with the email used to register and what
 kind of access you want
 (author, publisher or admin)

 Created account with a...@the-martin-byrd.net and have access to the site.
  I would like to request publisher access.

For what part(s) of the site? website.*, (www)/main.*?
(I did ad you for main)

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] The real thing is available (CMS on the new server ready for use)

2010-11-04 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Christian Lohmaier schrieb:

[...]

What would the preferred hostname be? artwork or branding? or is it
meant to all be within the marketing project?



I thought there might already exist some kind of structure discussion 
containing these points.


I'll come back here after discussing it on the marketing list.

Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Drupal test site -- Proof of concept

2010-11-04 Thread Carlos Jenkins
2010/11/4 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com

 Hi Michael,

 just a small addition concerning the logo - I've created some logos that
 are pixel perfect and usable for a certain size. So if you see a logo on
 any website that might be useful for you, there is a good chance that
 I'll find it on my disk drive :-)

 Cheers,
 Christoph

Hey! That would be great! Didi you share it with the marketing people? Maybe
they will do a good use of them.

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[libreoffice-website] join list

2010-11-04 Thread Sandeil Tenebro
Hi list,

New this list, please be gentle :) since this is my first time sending to the 
mailing list.

I've been lurking and I would like to help out. Would like to join with 
drupal's dev. even if I don't have much knowledge with it. 

Been challenged on its difficulty to setup a full blown site. I need to 
experience it and learn from it.

Will help out in anyway I can not only with drupal.

Regards,
Sandeil C. Tenebro



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Re: [libreoffice-website] join list

2010-11-04 Thread Michael Wheatland
Welcome Sandeil,
My name is Michael Wheatland and I am a part of the Drupal Development team.
After many discussions we are gearing up to start building, so this is
a good time to join.

I would suggest that you have a read of the wiki, which is developing
quickly, to get an idea of where we are going.
Introduce yourself on the People page and I would suggest putting your
name down in an area you are interested in on the task tracker.

Hope to hear from you soon on the wiki, and welcome to the project,
anybody who can help out with drupal is very welcomed here.

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[libreoffice-website] Re: join list

2010-11-04 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-11-04 22:58, Michael Wheatland a écrit :

Sorry, the Wiki page is here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Drupal



Thanks for the link Michael

Marc


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[libreoffice-website] Drupal Development Wiki

2010-11-04 Thread Michael Wheatland
Much work has been done on the Drupal Development Wiki.

If you are interested in getting involved with the 'big daddy' Drupal
development please visit:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Drupal

Volunteer for something:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Drupal_Strategy

Get Access to the Devel site:
Signup and email me personally.

http://www.wheatland.com.au/libreoffice
(We don't have Libreoffice.org server access at the moment)

We have much work to do, and not much time to do it in.
Target: Drupalised LibreOffice Website by April 2011.

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[libreoffice-website] i10n or i18n

2010-11-04 Thread Michael Wheatland
Has anyone noticed that the mailing list nickname for
Internationalisation is i10n instead of i18n?
The name is derived from the phonetic pronounciation of
Intern-EIGHTEEN-alisatioN hence i18n.

i10n is a short name for localisation, which by definition is
formatting like numbers, dates and money.
i18n can encompass i10n by definition.

Maybe we should look at renaming this before it gets too big to handle...

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