Re: [libreoffice-website] wiki spam filter

2011-04-27 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol

Hi Florian, Volker, Sophie,
Am 10.04.2011 15:50, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

Hi,

I applied some spam filterings to the wiki, hoping that this will make
the spam problem much better.


Is this a new kind of spam?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Mortgage_-_How_To_Know_That_You_Are_Of_No_Risk_Mortgageredirect=no


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Re: [libreoffice-website] wiki spam filter

2011-04-27 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi,

2011/4/27 klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de:
 Hi Florian, Volker, Sophie,
 Am 10.04.2011 15:50, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
 I applied some spam filterings to the wiki, hoping that this will make
 the spam problem much better.

 Is this a new kind of spam?
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Mortgage_-_How_To_Know_That_You_Are_Of_No_Risk_Mortgageredirect=no

Argh! I think it is.

Volker


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Re: [libreoffice-website] wiki spam filter

2011-04-27 Thread Sophie Gautier

On 27/04/2011 12:01, Volker Merschmann wrote:

Hi,

2011/4/27 klaus-jürgen weghorn olo...@sophia-louise.de:

Hi Florian, Volker, Sophie,
Am 10.04.2011 15:50, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

I applied some spam filterings to the wiki, hoping that this will make
the spam problem much better.


Is this a new kind of spam?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Mortgage_-_How_To_Know_That_You_Are_Of_No_Risk_Mortgageredirect=no


Argh! I think it is.


I'll monitor it and suppress the pages. Thanks for pointing it.
Kind regards
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Re: [libreoffice-website] wiki spam filter

2011-04-27 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol

Am 27.04.2011 11:03, schrieb Sophie Gautier:

On 27/04/2011 12:01, Volker Merschmann wrote:

Hi,

2011/4/27 klaus-jürgen weghorn olo...@sophia-louise.de:

Hi Florian, Volker, Sophie,
Am 10.04.2011 15:50, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

I applied some spam filterings to the wiki, hoping that this will make
the spam problem much better.


Is this a new kind of spam?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Mortgage_-_How_To_Know_That_You_Are_Of_No_Risk_Mortgageredirect=no



Argh! I think it is.


I'll monitor it and suppress the pages. Thanks for pointing it.
Kind regards
Sophie


And this:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=How_to_Get_Your_Ex_Boyfriend_Back_-_How_to_Get_Your_Ex-Boyfriend_Backredirect=no 




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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: On forums for LibreOffice

2011-04-27 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 00:59 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
 Hi *,
 
 On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:48 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
  On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 23:40 +0800, David Nelson wrote:
  On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 23:43, Charles-H. Schulz
  charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 
  Also, if no one minds I would like to start a new thread on the discuss
  list for this, the current one is a bit long in the tooth - but before I
  do would like to do two things:
 
  One - a quick run over the the OO.o user services admin board to make a
  proposal to them, which I think they will be ok with and would like to
  be sure before I offer it as a compromise.
 
 Is this sentence missing a part? I don't fully understand it. What
 proposal do you want to make? The OOo users.services forum is already
 stating that's a resource for both OOo a well as LO users. 

Hello Christian,

It was a bit vague, yes.

Well, here is the rest of it.

Yesterday I initiated a conversation with the OO.o Community Forum
administrators about opening a LibreOffice specific sub-forum at the
site. This is a large step beyond just having the name LibreOffice in
the header.

(as an aside, and since there seems to be some confusion on this - the
Community Forum is not official in that Oracle has no ownership or
management role in the forum, it offers gratis hosting services only,
the site is owned and managed by the Volunteers Group within the forum)

The LibreOffice forum would be a sub-form within the overall site
structure, and as such can be referenced directly from a URL - so for
instance instead of listing OpenOffice.org User Services Forum on our
support page the link could be LibreOffice Forum at OpenOffice.org
Community Forums and have the link take the user directly to the
LibreOffice specific section.

The LibreOffice sub-forum would be added at the lop level of the English
OO.o Forum (for now this would be the English forum only), for
visibility to suers enter the forums normally. (NOT at the Language
level which is the very top of the site hierarchy)

This would be a flat forum, no module breakdown, so this is a compromise
for now - of course the module areas are available as normal to the
users and moderators can move messages to appropriate area when needed.

I'll skip more details for this email, but can cover those as needed.

So where is that is - One of the moderators wrote a, well thought out,
argument against doing this, another wrote a strong argument for doing
this (including possibilities as to where this could lead) - each asked
a few questions of me during that and the responses are included.

Today, I will create a voting poll for the general membership (Vols
Group) an draft a message to the members presenting the idea and calling
for the vote. The poll will run for 7 days or until all members have
voted, if 7 days a simple majority will carry the vote.

Please - thoughts and questions from everyone.

Thanks

Drew





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Re: [libreoffice-website] wiki spam filter

2011-04-27 Thread Florian Effenberger

:-(
Anyone can check when the user registered that created this page? Maybe 
before our anti-spam measurements?


klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2011-04-27 11.13:


And this:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=How_to_Get_Your_Ex_Boyfriend_Back_-_How_to_Get_Your_Ex-Boyfriend_Backredirect=no



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Re: [libreoffice-website] wiki spam filter

2011-04-27 Thread Florian Effenberger

:/
Can you keep an eye on it and let me know if the amount of spam grows?

klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2011-04-27 12.55:


Exboyfriendback (Created on 2011-04-27 at 00:02:58)
Mortgage01 (Created on 2011-04-27 at 05:26:32)


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Re: [libreoffice-website] wiki spam filter

2011-04-27 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol

Hi Florian,
Am 27.04.2011 13:50, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

:/
Can you keep an eye on it and let me know if the amount of spam grows?


I'll try to do my very best.(And I think Volker even will do so).


klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2011-04-27 12.55:


Exboyfriendback (Created on 2011-04-27 at 00:02:58)
Mortgage01 (Created on 2011-04-27 at 05:26:32)





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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-website] General appeal on communication style

2011-04-27 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 07:44 +0200, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote:
 Hi Drew,
 
 thanks for your explanations.
 

Howdy K-J,

snip


 So I have to excuse me to do it 'arbitrarily'.
 It was done in one process with the leaving of the Litmus link Sophie 
 mentioned with hard facts.
 I think that it was (and is) right to put the Alfresco links off the 
 menu either.

Ah, there is a saying in English which I think fits here (and should not
lose anything in translation) - It was a tempest in a teacup :-)

Best wishes

Drew





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[libreoffice-website] LibreOffice form at OpenOffice.org Forums site (was: On forums for LibreOffice )

2011-04-27 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 06:16 -0400, drew wrote:
snip
 
 Yesterday I initiated a conversation with the OO.o Community Forum
 administrators about opening a LibreOffice specific sub-forum at the
 site. This is a large step beyond just having the name LibreOffice in
 the header.
 
 (as an aside, and since there seems to be some confusion on this - the
 Community Forum is not official in that Oracle has no ownership or
 management role in the forum, it offers gratis hosting services only,
 the site is owned and managed by the Volunteers Group within the forum)
 
 The LibreOffice forum would be a sub-form within the overall site
 structure, and as such can be referenced directly from a URL - so for
 instance instead of listing OpenOffice.org User Services Forum on our
 support page the link could be LibreOffice Forum at OpenOffice.org
 Community Forums and have the link take the user directly to the
 LibreOffice specific section.
 
 The LibreOffice sub-forum would be added at the lop level of the English
 OO.o Forum (for now this would be the English forum only), for
 visibility to suers enter the forums normally. (NOT at the Language
 level which is the very top of the site hierarchy)
 
 This would be a flat forum, no module breakdown, so this is a compromise
 for now - of course the module areas are available as normal to the
 users and moderators can move messages to appropriate area when needed.
 
 I'll skip more details for this email, but can cover those as needed.
 
 So where is that is - One of the moderators wrote a, well thought out,
 argument against doing this, another wrote a strong argument for doing
 this (including possibilities as to where this could lead) - each asked
 a few questions of me during that and the responses are included.
 
 Today, I will create a voting poll for the general membership (Vols
 Group) an draft a message to the members presenting the idea and calling
 for the vote. The poll will run for 7 days or until all members have
 voted, if 7 days a simple majority will carry the vote.
 

Just to follow up on this:

A few arguments pro and con where added to the discussion over night
from some of the senior moderator crew.

The message has been mailed to each member of the Volunteer group and
the poll is now open for voting - Poll closes on May 4th.

Thanks (and sorry for my poor typing skills)

Drew


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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice form at OpenOffice.org Forums site (was: On forums for LibreOffice )

2011-04-27 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:30 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:

 On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 06:16 -0400, drew wrote:
 snip
 
  Yesterday I initiated a conversation with the OO.o Community Forum
  administrators about opening a LibreOffice specific sub-forum at the
  site. This is a large step beyond just having the name LibreOffice in
  the header.
 
  (as an aside, and since there seems to be some confusion on this - the
  Community Forum is not official in that Oracle has no ownership or
  management role in the forum, it offers gratis hosting services only,
  the site is owned and managed by the Volunteers Group within the forum)
 
  The LibreOffice forum would be a sub-form within the overall site
  structure, and as such can be referenced directly from a URL - so for
  instance instead of listing OpenOffice.org User Services Forum on our
  support page the link could be LibreOffice Forum at OpenOffice.org
  Community Forums and have the link take the user directly to the
  LibreOffice specific section.
 
  The LibreOffice sub-forum would be added at the lop level of the English
  OO.o Forum (for now this would be the English forum only), for
  visibility to suers enter the forums normally. (NOT at the Language
  level which is the very top of the site hierarchy)
 
  This would be a flat forum, no module breakdown, so this is a compromise
  for now - of course the module areas are available as normal to the
  users and moderators can move messages to appropriate area when needed.
 
  I'll skip more details for this email, but can cover those as needed.
 
  So where is that is - One of the moderators wrote a, well thought out,
  argument against doing this, another wrote a strong argument for doing
  this (including possibilities as to where this could lead) - each asked
  a few questions of me during that and the responses are included.
 
  Today, I will create a voting poll for the general membership (Vols
  Group) an draft a message to the members presenting the idea and calling
  for the vote. The poll will run for 7 days or until all members have
  voted, if 7 days a simple majority will carry the vote.
 

 Just to follow up on this:

 A few arguments pro and con where added to the discussion over night
 from some of the senior moderator crew.

 The message has been mailed to each member of the Volunteer group and
 the poll is now open for voting - Poll closes on May 4th.

 Thanks (and sorry for my poor typing skills)

 Drew


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If users will find it less confusing I am all forward for it.
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Wiki User log in

2011-04-27 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi,

2011/4/27 ol klaus-jürgen weghorn o...@sophia-louise.de:
 Hi all,
 if have a big problem.
 I can't log in in the wiki.
 I get the message:

 Fehler bei der Anmeldung
 Es gab ein Problem mit der Übertragung deiner Benutzerdaten. Diese Aktion
 wurde daher sicherheitshalber abgebrochen, um eine falsche Zuordnung deiner
 Änderungen zu einem anderen Benutzer zu verhindern. Bitte gehe zurück und
 versuche den Vorgang erneut auszuführen.

 (Login error
 There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been
 canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous
 page, reload that page and then try again. )

 The cookies are enabled.

 Maybe someone can tell me what has happened.

Same for me, so no problem at your system.

Volker


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Wiki User log in

2011-04-27 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Volker Merschmann wrote on 2011-04-27 20.15:

Same for me, so no problem at your system.


thanks for letting me know. I flushed the session directory, should work 
again. No idea what happened...


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] wiki spam filter

2011-04-27 Thread Florian Effenberger

Thanks!

klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2011-04-27 14.10:

I'll try to do my very best.(And I think Volker even will do so).


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Wiki image error: convert failed

2011-04-27 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Nino Novak wrote on 2011-04-27 18.03:

after uploading a png it could not be displayed in the appropriate size,
instead an error message appeared:


maybe related to the login bug. Does this one still persist, or has it 
vanished as well?


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Wiki User log in

2011-04-27 Thread ol klaus-jürgen weghorn

Hi,
Am 27.04.2011 20:29, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

Hi,

Volker Merschmann wrote on 2011-04-27 20.15:

Same for me, so no problem at your system.


thanks for letting me know. I flushed the session directory, should work
again. No idea what happened...


Now it works again, thanks.

k-j

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Wiki User log in

2011-04-27 Thread Florian Effenberger
It occured again to me, then I've modified the cache -- hope it works 
really now... if not, please let me know.


ol klaus-jürgen weghorn wrote on 2011-04-27 21.42:

Now it works again, thanks.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: On forums for LibreOffice

2011-04-27 Thread Michael Münch
Hi *,

Am Dienstag, den 26.04.2011, 20:17 +0800 schrieb David Nelson:
 Hi, :-)
 
 I've updated the Getting Help page on LibreOffice.org with links to
 some external forums, and also added information about the Nabble
 gateway to put it forward more prominently. See [1].
 
 [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/
 
 David Nelson

I know there are a lot of discussions already going on in this thread
but do we already have a consensus about linking to webforums not driven
by the document foundation?

Apart from minor problems, like if one specific forum has to many/the
wrong type of ads, what do you want to express with such a link. I would
say most of the visitors will see it as an we approve and recommend
this forum whatever the exact phrasing of the sentence above the links
will be.

But can you really officially approve a forum that is not running on
your own infrastructure? What do you know about the privacy of the
userdata and if it they are processed accordantly to the different laws
(see the SONY/Apple discussions now in the media). What about rude
behaviour/harassment in personal messages as an other example. The
hardest consequence you can take if the forum gets out of hand is to
remove the link and this is a rather weak one. But that this forum was
linked officially linked from our website will be remembered much
longer.

On the other hand what can we gain from it? The most often heard
argument is that the ordinary user expects a web based forum, but to be
honest if this user already knows about his preference of web forums
instead of mailing lists, does he really look for a link on the
libreoffice webpage or does he rather go to google.com and type
libreoffice forum. 

I do not feel that these links are worth all these mails, discussions
and anger.

If somewhat later there are enough resources to build up an forum on own
infrastructure with a detailed plan how to connect threads about bugs
with bugzilla in both directions, how to take input from the forum into
the mailing lists / teams / committees and how to keep the users up to
date about the discussions on the mailing lists. 
Then is the time to think about the topic web forum again.


Michael


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Wiki User log in

2011-04-27 Thread Sophie Gautier

Hi Flo,
On 27/04/2011 22:45, Florian Effenberger wrote:

It occured again to me, then I've modified the cache -- hope it works
really now... if not, please let me know.


Just get the error right now.
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