[libreoffice-website] Wrong tick on the Pre-Releases page
Hi all, there is a mistake on the Pre-Releasess download page [1]: For all Pre-Releases we should have the Warning symbol and not the green tick. I didn't find the place to change it so maybe someone else can do the change. [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: SVG preview broken
Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Uploading won't help - that specific svg just bombs out when using convert. Hi Christian, that will have to be fixed in LibO, what creates SVG with big dimensions. Can you please additionally check Bug 40944 - WIKI: PNG preview for particular SVG broken https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40944 Additionally broken is review for http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Buggie.svg, what looks different on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Buggie.svg Ciao Rainer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Forum
Le 2011-12-06 20:48, Rogerio Luz Coelho a écrit : Yes I made that clear ... but it still concerns me they are making these questiond on thois venew at this early stage Em 03/12/2011 15:38, Marc Parém...@marcpare.comescreveu: Le 2011-12-03 10:05, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi *, On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Rogerio Luz Coelho luz.roge...@gmail.com wrote: ... If people are being answered they should be made aware that this is a test forums site. It's OK to help them out though. And ... great if we could later transfer their posts. They just need to know that we are still in the discussion/testing phase. Cheers, Marc I don't see it as a big problem as long as they get the help they are looking for and as long as they are told that this is only a test site and we suggest a better place for them to ask questions until the forums are up and running. We are still here to help if we can. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Forum decision - where do we stand? An attempt of a summary...
Hi Christian, First off, thanks for doing this. Really helpful! Le 2011-12-06 12:03, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi *, if you're afraid of long posts, jump to ### ### and see whether you can answer without reading the whole thing (but please read the whole thing, it took a while to write it :-) seems like we did come a halt regarding moving forward with the forum testing/evaluation. It's holiday season, and only a few days left to get all your christmas presents, so that's understandable :-)) But nevertheless, here's the current status from my POV. Rationale/What is the goal of all this? * Decide upon a forum software to be used for the LibreOffice user support forum. * Decision is between phpBB and JForum currenlty (unless blockers are raised) What is the difference (big picture)? * JForum setup would be different forums for each language, but with shared login across all the forums, so the setup would be similar to the user.services.openoffice.org forums. * phpBB favors subcategories, everything would be in one single forum, with the languages organized in Subcategories. * posts can be previewed in both forums (phpBB additionally supports saving of drafts) Useful for users to have saving of drafts. * both allow searching (JForum: whole forum or single forum, (single category also possible, but advanced searches like this or limiting to a date-range not exposed in the currently used theme), phpBB whole forum or a selection of forums/subcategories) I find the phpBB search more useful for a finer grained search. JForum a little more frustrating. But you were talking about differences‽ Yes, finally here we go. Most of those originate from the different organization of the different languages, and thus are not necessarily tied to the platform used, but start with one of the intrinsic differences: * JForum has nice URLs, while phpBB uses URLs with Query parameters like ?f=5t=4 From a user point of view nice URLs are better but not that important. Yup, phpBB URLs confusing. * phpBB-subcategory solution: Renders recent posts and active topics useless for most of the userbase. The language that has most user/most post will dominate them, smaller NL-Groups cannot make use of it to track changes. This mainly affects unregistered users, but nevertheless something to consider. (and also is relevant for moderators who cannot tell whether a message is spam or legitimate when they don't know the language) Re: spam and moderators. I see this more of a problem from LibreOffice admin organization. If spam is suspected in a unknown language then Google Translate is our best friend or someone on the list of moderators who would be familiar with the language. Yes, recent/active posts would be nice to have as unregistered for a quick look-ups for NL groups. I think this is a recurring topic on the phpBB forums. If we were to adopt phpBB, perhaps our asking for a workaround to the phpBB devs would have a little more influence? * having all in one single forum would allow to search all languages at once, however it is doubtful how useful this is. On the other hand when trying to only search for one language, the user has to spot the corresponding language in the advanced searchform each time. Default/simple search is mostly useless. * on the other hand, when the languges are separate, the user has to visit another forum to search in another language (but I guess people will only search innative-language andenglish usually, and logins can be shared across instances, so people can ask in other language-forums without having to register in each of them. Better to search under one forum. Sometimes search items are quoted in one language but over many NL groups. I don't think this is a deal breaker as you can search in international and native in either scenario. * subcategory solution has the problem that the initial landing page is crowded, you can basically only list the top-categories, and then the landing page is not really different from a page that just points to the various languages. Yup. Forums admins will have to struggle with this and try to get consensus for an overall good look for the landing page so that it is not too crowded. We should try to keep it as tidy as possible. * JForum uses a syntaxhighlighter plugin, so for code-posts you get colored output, phpBB (at least currently) only has a plain code-box with no syntax-highlighting. ### ### So what is needed now? I for myself want a decision on whether we go with the subforum style or with separate forum (with shared login) style approach, since this one basically settles the question of what forum-platform to use. But also if you have complaints about either of the forums, please mention them. There are a lot of other forum solutions out there that we didn't look at yet. (But having a look
Re: [libreoffice-website] Forum decision - where do we stand? An attempt of a summary...
Is osqa off the table, then? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Forum decision - where do we stand? An attempt of a summary...
On 12/7/11 3:18 PM, Terrence Enger wrote: Is osqa off the table, then? What is osqa? Could you tell us a bit more about it? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Forum decision - where do we stand? An attempt of a summary...
Hi *, On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Terrence Enger ten...@iseries-guru.com wrote: Is osqa off the table, then? No. I is already decided that askbot will be deployed no matter what. It was never a decision between a QA site *or* a forum, it was always the question do we want something like that *in addition*. Everyone involved did like askbot, so it was decided to use it. It will soon go live. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Forum decision - where do we stand? An attempt of a summary...
Hi *, On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/7/11 3:18 PM, Terrence Enger wrote: Is osqa off the table, then? What is osqa? Could you tell us a bit more about it? Askbot, a Question and Answers system like stackoverflow - test installation here: http://osqa-test.libreoffice.org/questions/ I'm actually a little shocked that people from this list don't know about it, as evaluation of askbot and the forum has been an ongoing topic in the last weeks, but well... ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Forum decision - where do we stand? An attempt of a summary...
On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 15:32 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 12/7/11 3:18 PM, Terrence Enger wrote: Is osqa off the table, then? What is osqa? Could you tell us a bit more about it? In the context of LibreOffice, it is a test forum, http://osqa-test.libreoffice.org/questions/. It received quite a bit of dicussion--I think on this list--a couple of weeks ago. HTH, Terry. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Forum decision - where do we stand? An attempt of a summary...
Hi Harri, *, 2011/12/7 Harri Pitkänen hatap...@iki.fi: On Tuesday 06 December 2011, Christian Lohmaier wrote: So please put the discussion to your native-language group and forward the feedback please. Finnish team seems to favor phpBB over JForum. We had three votes for phpBB and none for JForum. But no-one had strong opinions about it. Sorry, but this vote is useless when you don't bother to actually try out the system but only vote based on whether you have heard one or the other name. When people don't even bother to register and use the system as registered user, I cannot really give those votes any real meaning. (and three users isn't that many to begin with, but it is a start, so thanks for providing the feedback, I'm grateful about that, even when it doesn't sound like that) Did the Finnish OOo-Project have a forum previously/does the Finnish LibreOffice project plan on using the forum after all? ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Forum decision - where do we stand? An attempt of a summary...
Hi Harri, *, 2011/12/7 Harri Pitkänen hatap...@iki.fi: On Wednesday 07 December 2011, Christian Lohmaier wrote: [...] I would expect that at least initially we would get much less than that for the new forum. This was the reason why we preferred to have a subforum within a larger forum (and thus phpBB). If the forum seems overall too quiet, it will easily discourage people from using it at all. Thanks for your explanation, it brings a different view to the picture. I highly appreciate it, as this aspect has not been mentioned before. True, this is more of a social argument than technical one. Well - the arguments don't have to be technical to be relevant. I'm happy to get concrete feedback. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Forum decision - where do we stand? An attempt of a summary...
Hi Rogerio, *, On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Rogerio Luz Coelho luz.roge...@gmail.com wrote: I think we could do it the democratic way: Here's my idea: Put a BIG post in both foruns VOTE FOR US and give it 10 days, the one that has more users votes gets chosen. No, that won't really help. Plain votes without giving a reason for the vote has the annotation of fanboyism, i.e. people will not judge by their own experience, but rather just by what they know already or what is in at the moment. It is fine to do a final poll after the arguments for and against the two proposals have been collected, but doesn't really replace giving actual feedback/the reasons for placing the vote that way. At least I would prefer knowing the reasons since that would allow us to improve things. I personally DO NOT preffer 1 forum and to scroll down to find my language so my vote goes to JForum ... but that is just me Thanks for your input. I wonder how to get feedback from a wider user-base. After all people did complain loudly in the past that there is no forum, demanded that we set one up as soon as possible - and when it comes to making a decision, we fail to reach those users. It's hard to tell people to use a demo-installation/something where they cannot expect a real answer and that (because it is a demo/testing setup), doesn't have the final theming and language setup... (I'm afraid that people will just vote for phpBB because it matches the LO theme and not because they like the concept better - if people prefer phpBB but would like separate forums, this could be done as well, this after all is the structure that OOo uses) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Forum decision - where do we stand? An attempt of a summary...
IF ... and this is a big IF ... we would let each NL team decide on what forum based site they want? In this way TDF would get to expand itself without the major PITA of having to do all the choosing and all the admning by itself. We could set up some king of support for the NL teams to set things up? Rogerio 2011/12/7 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Le 2011-12-07 18:30, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Thanks for your input. I wonder how to get feedback from a wider user-base. After all people did complain loudly in the past that there is no forum, demanded that we set one up as soon as possible - and when it comes to making a decision, we fail to reach those users. It's hard to tell people to use a demo-installation/something where they cannot expect a real answer and that (because it is a demo/testing setup), doesn't have the final theming and language setup... (I'm afraid that people will just vote for phpBB because it matches the LO theme and not because they like the concept better - if people prefer phpBB but would like separate forums, this could be done as well, this after all is the structure that OOo uses) ciao Christian The NL group leaders (these are the people who are most often seen and easily identified as the leaders on the respective NL mailing lists) should be the ones who should be taking this information back to the various NL groups for discussion and return a summary of the group's decision. There is also the fact that some NL groups may already have a dedicated forums hosted outside of the TDF/LibreOffice zone of influence who may prefer to keep their forums intact and not be included in the list of LibreOffice run forums. I wonder if this will also be taken into account or has there been a decision from the higher ups (BoD) that the official LibreOffice NL forums will be hosted on the TDF/LibreOffice forums? Unless I am mistaken, this is the stance that was taken with the mailing lists -- all official LibreOffice mailing lists are hosted and maintained on LibreOffice servers. Is this what is being set up? Are we choosing the software (JForum or phpBBJ based on the assumption that the official LibreOffice forums will only be run on/by LibreOffice [servers]? If this is the case, then we should try to send a note to all of the NL groups and wait for feedback. I someone is to send a note to the NL groups then it should be from someone from the BoD to make it more of an official request. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+help@global.**libreoffice.orgwebsite%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**website/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
