Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Multilingual LibreOffice website
I think there is a danger of over-estimating our audience's ability to understand English. If possible, I'd prefer the invitation to be localised, including language name but no flag or country name. Language communities can be spread over many countries and continents. Is the website set up for the language preference in the browser? When I type in libreoffice in my search engine I get the English website rather than the Welsh one - my browser preference language. Rhos Ar 13/08/2018 19:30, ysgrifennodd Daniel A. Rodriguez: This is a capture from main wordpress site https://s33.postimg.cc/ggw8rzm6n/es-wordpress.png In our case, we the spanish subsite admins try to avoid linguistic nuances. That's why I think we should not use the country name neither, for the case just 'Spanish' would work. Just my two cents. El lun., 13 ago. 2018 a las 12:17, Jean Spiteri () escribió: Italo Vignoli-5 wrote Maybe yes, but I am just one Italian (rather fluent in English). We should ask to more people. I could share the question with the Italian community. Actually, I would have liked someone to cross post it to the l10n list (as a whole) for more feedback but I'm not a subscriber to it. -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Website-f1644957.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Multilingual LibreOffice website
This is a capture from main wordpress site https://s33.postimg.cc/ggw8rzm6n/es-wordpress.png In our case, we the spanish subsite admins try to avoid linguistic nuances. That's why I think we should not use the country name neither, for the case just 'Spanish' would work. Just my two cents. El lun., 13 ago. 2018 a las 12:17, Jean Spiteri () escribió: > > Italo Vignoli-5 wrote > > Maybe yes, but I am just one Italian (rather fluent in English). We > > should ask to more people. I could share the question with the Italian > > community. > > Actually, I would have liked someone to cross post it to the l10n list (as a > whole) for more feedback but I'm not a subscriber to it. > > > > > -- > Sent from: > http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Website-f1644957.html > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Multilingual LibreOffice website
Hi Jean, Le 13/08/2018 à 17:17, Jean Spiteri a écrit : > Italo Vignoli-5 wrote >> Maybe yes, but I am just one Italian (rather fluent in English). We >> should ask to more people. I could share the question with the Italian >> community. > > Actually, I would have liked someone to cross post it to the l10n list (as a > whole) for more feedback but I'm not a subscriber to it. I'll do it and let you know the feedback Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-website] Re: Multilingual LibreOffice website
Italo Vignoli-5 wrote > Maybe yes, but I am just one Italian (rather fluent in English). We > should ask to more people. I could share the question with the Italian > community. Actually, I would have liked someone to cross post it to the l10n list (as a whole) for more feedback but I'm not a subscriber to it. -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Website-f1644957.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Multilingual LibreOffice website
On 13/08/2018 16:44, Jean Spiteri wrote: > I'm totally open for suggestions so if you think that a translated line is > needed, I'll check the possibilities of having it like that. Do you think > that changing 'here' to 'it.libreoffice.org' would motivate the person to > click on it (since there's IT in there). Or maybe link the text 'Italian > (Italy)' as well? Maybe yes, but I am just one Italian (rather fluent in English). We should ask to more people. I could share the question with the Italian community. -- Italo Vignoli - Marketing & PR email italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org mobile/signal +39.348.5653829 - skype italovignoli hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-website] Re: Multilingual LibreOffice website
Italo Vignoli-5 wrote > Unfortunately, there are countries like Italy where the average command > of English is below any acceptable level, and a vast majority of people > would just close the window because text is only in English (whatever > text). Anyway, it is already an improvement over the current situation. I'm totally open for suggestions so if you think that a translated line is needed, I'll check the possibilities of having it like that. Do you think that changing 'here' to 'it.libreoffice.org' would motivate the person to click on it (since there's IT in there). Or maybe link the text 'Italian (Italy)' as well? -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Website-f1644957.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Multilingual LibreOffice website
On 13/08/2018 16:34, Jean Spiteri wrote: > That would require an effort to translate by numerous communities. However, > I (personally) would prefer having text in English as the rest of the text. > That is, if you mean the actual language of the text and not the community > name found in the sentence. Unfortunately, there are countries like Italy where the average command of English is below any acceptable level, and a vast majority of people would just close the window because text is only in English (whatever text). Anyway, it is already an improvement over the current situation. -- Italo Vignoli - Marketing & PR email italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org mobile/signal +39.348.5653829 - skype italovignoli hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-website] Re: Multilingual LibreOffice website
Italo Vignoli-5 wrote > Works for me, but the sentence in the dark grey banner should be in > Italian and not in English. That would require an effort to translate by numerous communities. However, I (personally) would prefer having text in English as the rest of the text. That is, if you mean the actual language of the text and not the community name found in the sentence. -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Website-f1644957.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-website] Re: Multilingual LibreOffice website
Mike Saunders wrote > https://i.imgur.com/MNBHqnj.png > > That icon under the title opens up a list of languages. But maybe it's > familiar to regular Wikipedia users, but wouldn't be so effective on the > LibreOffice site for newcomers... It could be good but I think that actually showing the user that there IS a localisation rather than there MIGHT BE is a little more welcoming. People from small languages might be more inclined to not consider it because there language is small. -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Website-f1644957.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-website] Multilingual LibreOffice website
On 13/08/2018 15:15, Jean Spiteri wrote: > As a call to action, the community is being asked to give its feedback about > the proposal. Feel free to comment about the output or report any bugs you > might encounter. Works for me, but the sentence in the dark grey banner should be in Italian and not in English. -- Italo Vignoli - Marketing & PR email italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org mobile/signal +39.348.5653829 - skype italovignoli hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-website] Re: Multilingual LibreOffice website
Mike Saunders wrote > Hi Jean, > > Thanks for looking into this! Yes, I totally agree that we need to make > the other language sites more prominent. We often get emails to info@ > from non-English speakers who try their best to give feedback or ask > questions, but don't know that there's a whole LibreOffice site in their > language. > > I think the banner is OK, but it does push the rest of the content down > a bit. Is there any way to add a "Dismiss" button so that it's not shown > again to people who don't want to change? Yes, it pushes it down by a little bit (depending on the screen resolution). The Dismiss button but to have it "stick", it would require a cookie and after discussing with cloph, he did not want to set a cookie for it, in light of recent data protection legislation. Mike Saunders wrote > Another alternative would be to have an extra menu on the right-hand > side, after donate, with a UK/USA flag for the English site. This would > keep it nice and small, and could have other flags in the drop-down list > underneath. Not sure how easy that is to implement, though! cloph also said that flags need to be avoided as sophi said. The drop down list is in a way replaced by the 'Other languages' link which leads you to the page where all of them are listed. -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Website-f1644957.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-website] Multilingual LibreOffice website
Hi Sophie, On 13/08/2018 16:08, sophi wrote: > > I don't think we want to use flags as it's about countries and not > languages, we have always tried to avoid them as it could lead to some > issues. Ah yes, that's a very good point actually. One other option for a small menu icon would be the Wikipedia mobile site approach: https://i.imgur.com/MNBHqnj.png That icon under the title opens up a list of languages. But maybe it's familiar to regular Wikipedia users, but wouldn't be so effective on the LibreOffice site for newcomers... Mike -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-website] Multilingual LibreOffice website
Hi Mike, Just on one point, Le 13/08/2018 à 16:02, Mike Saunders a écrit : > Hi Jean, > > On 13/08/2018 15:15, Jean Spiteri wrote: >> >> If you want to see what is the output of the proposal, please visit >> newdesign.libreoffice.org. On top of the green menu bar, there should be a >> black banner with some text on it. The actual proposal is that the banner is >> seen only by those who have set a primary language other than English (US) >> in their browser. > > Thanks for looking into this! Yes, I totally agree that we need to make > the other language sites more prominent. We often get emails to info@ > from non-English speakers who try their best to give feedback or ask > questions, but don't know that there's a whole LibreOffice site in their > language. > > I think the banner is OK, but it does push the rest of the content down > a bit. Is there any way to add a "Dismiss" button so that it's not shown > again to people who don't want to change? > > Another alternative would be to have an extra menu on the right-hand > side, after donate, with a UK/USA flag for the English site. This would > keep it nice and small, and could have other flags in the drop-down list > underneath. Not sure how easy that is to implement, though! I don't think we want to use flags as it's about countries and not languages, we have always tried to avoid them as it could lead to some issues. Cheers Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-website] Multilingual LibreOffice website
Hi Jean, On 13/08/2018 15:15, Jean Spiteri wrote: > > If you want to see what is the output of the proposal, please visit > newdesign.libreoffice.org. On top of the green menu bar, there should be a > black banner with some text on it. The actual proposal is that the banner is > seen only by those who have set a primary language other than English (US) > in their browser. Thanks for looking into this! Yes, I totally agree that we need to make the other language sites more prominent. We often get emails to info@ from non-English speakers who try their best to give feedback or ask questions, but don't know that there's a whole LibreOffice site in their language. I think the banner is OK, but it does push the rest of the content down a bit. Is there any way to add a "Dismiss" button so that it's not shown again to people who don't want to change? Another alternative would be to have an extra menu on the right-hand side, after donate, with a UK/USA flag for the English site. This would keep it nice and small, and could have other flags in the drop-down list underneath. Not sure how easy that is to implement, though! Cheers, Mike -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-website] Changes to the Download pages
I've already posted this on other mailing lists and feedback was positive thus I'm posting it here as well. I have done some work on the LibreOffice website in an effort to work on https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2155. At the moment, the work has been saved as draft. Thus, it's not visible to users, except those who have an account in SilverStripe. My work can be divided in three tasks 1.Created a new page named "LibreOffice Impress Remote" and put it as a child of the Download. Thus, it can be seen in the Download menu as well. 2.I have renamed the "Android and iOS" page to "LibreOffice Viewer for Android". 3.I have removed the Impress Remote download links from that page and changed the text to lead to the new page. I am looking forward for feedback. If this is positive, the changes could be published soon. Thank you. -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Website-f1644957.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-website] Multilingual LibreOffice website
Thanks to the huge international community around The Document Foundation, numerous volunteers (and non-) work to maintain a version of the LibreOffice website in their own language. Especially, when these are kept up-to-date, these versions should be promoted, maybe not as substitutes for the official English website but as local complementary resources. It could also be that, for a user, knowing that there are other people talking his own language in the community might lead him to more motivation than seeing the community as a group of English-speaking individuals. This consideration is especially valid as work is being carried out to have more volunteers on board. Thus, to promote the different versions of the LibreOffice website better, it is being proposed to add a small notification bar on top of the menu to hint the user about the availability of a local version of the website. This mailing post is being submitted to call for feedback about this addition to the LibreOffice website before asking administrators to implement it on the official website. If you want to see what is the output of the proposal, please visit newdesign.libreoffice.org. On top of the green menu bar, there should be a black banner with some text on it. The actual proposal is that the banner is seen only by those who have set a primary language other than English (US) in their browser. However, to allow testing, this has been overridden to show up always. (Please note that those who have English (US) set as their browser's primary language will see incomplete text - This is expected.) As a call to action, the community is being asked to give its feedback about the proposal. Feel free to comment about the output or report any bugs you might encounter. Thank you. -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Website-f1644957.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
