[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Website Redesign - Beta
I don't see any of my feedback addressed at current https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/ :( I sent my feedback in January and read on the list that current version is close to release. Are you still going to have a contents/marketing appeal round before release? 2014-01-21 15:23 GMT+02:00 Otto Kekäläinen o...@seravo.fi: 2014/1/21 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org: http://newdesign.libreoffice.org Wow, looks very good! I have nothing to add to the design/layout. About the contents I have some comments: 1) Screenshots, screenshots, screenshots! Immediately when somebody visits libreoffice.org to find out about LibreOffice, they whould be presented with screenshots. In the carousel the first image should include screenshots so that people get a sense about what it would look like if they ran LibreOffice. When features are presented and explained, they should have screenshots to visualize the description. 2) Free - but why? This is an old discussion, but free does not always communicate very well. I rather use the term open, but if you want to emphasize the American libertarian view and talk about Free/Freedom, the please add some text below each Free Office Suite which explains Why free? clarify the usual misunderstandings. 3) More facts, less marketing For example the main page has a paragraph LibreOffice comes with a host of new features for its users as well as several important changes and improvements under the hood. It looks very good and I agree with the content, but in my experience people don't respond well to this kind of argumentation even in a marketing context. Rather mention a few features and deliver some facts of what LibreOffice actually does. I know, writing short and good text is difficult.. 4) Comparison to Microsoft Office I noticed the absence of any mentions of the competitor. Is there a policy against it? I hope the marketing part of the site could some how state that LibreOffice is as good as MS Office and it is in most cases safe and sensible to switch. And if you need X, Y and Z, then LibreOffice is even better. Take inspiration from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office 5) If this is so good, how come nobody uses it? Please add some list of famous users, e.g. the French Gendarmerie, City of Münich, Ministry of Justice in Finland etc.. LibreOffice is very popular, so show examples and figures. That should make people more safe to make the switch. Thanks and keep up the good work! - Otto -- Check out our blog at http://seravo.fi/blog and follow @ottokekalainen -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Website Redesign - Beta
Hello! You don't have to remember, my feedback was below my reply just. There are no screenshots on the front page, carousel, behind the Discover it -link, New Features, Writer, Calc etc.. The only page that has Screenshots is the separate Screenshots page. As argumented in my feedback, you really should have screenshots of LibreOffice so that people can see that it looks familiar. A few screenshots are worth a thousand words. Marketing is visual, so pick good screenshots and use them to communicate what LibreOffice is about. 2014-02-24 15:02 GMT+02:00 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org: Otto Kekäläinen o...@seravo.fi a écrit : I don't see any of my feedback addressed at current https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/ :( I sent my feedback in January and read on the list that current version is close to release. Are you still going to have a contents/marketing appeal round before release? Nope. However if I remember well your feedback (screenshots) has been integrated? Best, Charles. 2014-01-21 15:23 GMT+02:00 Otto Kekäläinen o...@seravo.fi: 2014/1/21 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org: http://newdesign.libreoffice.org Wow, looks very good! I have nothing to add to the design/layout. About the contents I have some comments: 1) Screenshots, screenshots, screenshots! Immediately when somebody visits libreoffice.org to find out about LibreOffice, they whould be presented with screenshots. In the carousel the first image should include screenshots so that people get a sense about what it would look like if they ran LibreOffice. When features are presented and explained, they should have screenshots to visualize the description. 2) Free - but why? This is an old discussion, but free does not always communicate very well. I rather use the term open, but if you want to emphasize the American libertarian view and talk about Free/Freedom, the please add some text below each Free Office Suite which explains Why free? clarify the usual misunderstandings. 3) More facts, less marketing For example the main page has a paragraph LibreOffice comes with a host of new features for its users as well as several important changes and improvements under the hood. It looks very good and I agree with the content, but in my experience people don't respond well to this kind of argumentation even in a marketing context. Rather mention a few features and deliver some facts of what LibreOffice actually does. I know, writing short and good text is difficult.. 4) Comparison to Microsoft Office I noticed the absence of any mentions of the competitor. Is there a policy against it? I hope the marketing part of the site could some how state that LibreOffice is as good as MS Office and it is in most cases safe and sensible to switch. And if you need X, Y and Z, then LibreOffice is even better. Take inspiration from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office 5) If this is so good, how come nobody uses it? Please add some list of famous users, e.g. the French Gendarmerie, City of Münich, Ministry of Justice in Finland etc.. LibreOffice is very popular, so show examples and figures. That should make people more safe to make the switch. Thanks and keep up the good work! - Otto - Otto -- Check out our blog at http://seravo.fi/blog and follow @ottokekalainen -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Website Redesign - Beta
2014/1/21 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org: 1) Screenshots, screenshots, screenshots! Immediately when somebody visits libreoffice.org to find out about LibreOffice, they whould be presented with screenshots. In the carousel the first image should include screenshots so that people get a sense about what it would look like if they ran LibreOffice. When features are presented and explained, they should have screenshots to visualize the description. No. And by the way, have you checked out the website for Microsoft Office or Mozilla? Because there are either no screenshots, or they are stuck somewhere in a back menu. We'll lots of other examples like Skype, Photoshop, VLC and Blender have screenshots on either directly on front page or on a prominent Features or About page. [...] 3) More facts, less marketing For example the main page has a paragraph LibreOffice comes with a host of new features for its users as well as several important changes and improvements under the hood. It looks very good and I agree with the content, but in my experience people don't respond well to this kind of argumentation even in a marketing context. Rather mention a few features and deliver some facts of what LibreOffice actually does. I know, writing short and good text is difficult.. This portion can of course be changed. But if anything, we should do ten times more marketing, and less facts. We are getting bored to hell with facts. People don't care about facts; they want something fun they can use and understand as fast as possible. They also want to be part of something, like a community, and they want meaning. Facts in place of marketing could kill Free Software, I could swear it. Ok, maybe the term less marketing was a bad choice of words. I mean less fluff and more fact-based and convincing marketing. A very good example is http://www.blender.org/features/ which displays screenshots and facts (written with good marketing point of view). If MS Office users would read a similar page about LibreOffice they'd realize it is actully very feature full and the UI looks familiar and easy to use. - Otto -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Website Redesign - Beta
2014/1/21 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org: http://newdesign.libreoffice.org Wow, looks very good! I have nothing to add to the design/layout. About the contents I have some comments: 1) Screenshots, screenshots, screenshots! Immediately when somebody visits libreoffice.org to find out about LibreOffice, they whould be presented with screenshots. In the carousel the first image should include screenshots so that people get a sense about what it would look like if they ran LibreOffice. When features are presented and explained, they should have screenshots to visualize the description. 2) Free - but why? This is an old discussion, but free does not always communicate very well. I rather use the term open, but if you want to emphasize the American libertarian view and talk about Free/Freedom, the please add some text below each Free Office Suite which explains Why free? clarify the usual misunderstandings. 3) More facts, less marketing For example the main page has a paragraph LibreOffice comes with a host of new features for its users as well as several important changes and improvements under the hood. It looks very good and I agree with the content, but in my experience people don't respond well to this kind of argumentation even in a marketing context. Rather mention a few features and deliver some facts of what LibreOffice actually does. I know, writing short and good text is difficult.. 4) Comparison to Microsoft Office I noticed the absence of any mentions of the competitor. Is there a policy against it? I hope the marketing part of the site could some how state that LibreOffice is as good as MS Office and it is in most cases safe and sensible to switch. And if you need X, Y and Z, then LibreOffice is even better. Take inspiration from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office 5) If this is so good, how come nobody uses it? Please add some list of famous users, e.g. the French Gendarmerie, City of Münich, Ministry of Justice in Finland etc.. LibreOffice is very popular, so show examples and figures. That should make people more safe to make the switch. Thanks and keep up the good work! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Lost content in wiki
Hello, This morning I worked for about on hour on the page http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FI/Median%C3%A4kyvyys Unfortunately it got removed (I don't know by who) and recreated by other persons today. Is there some way to recover the original version? At least get the data back to me personally? I'm somewhat pissed my work got lost and I wonder why there is no revision data anywhere. I helped the Finnish team with a press release on yesterday and today and the page had some real content that is now lost. Thanks for you help! -- Otto Kekäläinen [] o...@fsfe.org Finnish Team Coordinator [][][] GPG/PGP 0xB7F7E4E1 Free Software Foundation Europe || +358 44 566 2204 http://www.fsfe.org/ finl...@fsfe.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
