[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-design] Send Feedback Option

2012-11-29 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Rob,

 At the moment LibreOffice provides a send feedback feature in the
 software (Help-Send Feedback). This item will send you to the
 Bugzilla-assistant. There you can only file a bug. But it would be
 better I think if they can do more there like on the mozilla-page [1].

I agree completely.


 So I would like to add a page with, for now, options to click easily
 to the bugzilla-assistant[2], ask[3] and nabble (user-mailinglist)[4].

I agree with bz-assistant and ask, but why do you want to lead people
to the ML? IMHO most users are scared of ML and it also duplicates the
function of ask somewhat.

What I'd like for a third (and fourth) option would be maybe to let
people post a tweet with a hash tag like #happylibo and #sadlibo, if
they have a Twitter account. This should be easy enough to monitor for
us.


 Then people have more options where to ask for something then only
 filing bugs. What are your idea's for and would somebody be willing to
 design a page for. I would be willing to create one, but I'm not good
 at designing.

I can try. I have zero experience with Silverstripe, though.


Astron.

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[libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Send Feedback Option

2012-11-29 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Rob, all,

here's a link to an HTML mockup:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/feedback/feedback-page.html

Note a few things:
* there's probably a lot that can still be done with the design
(albeit this one has already taken me embarrassingly long, or at least
longer than I hoped)
* this code won't win contests (it's a mockup!)
* I would leave the whole signing into Twitter, counting characters
and all the JS-y thigns that don't yet work to you (if you even like
the Twitter idea).

Astron.

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[libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Send Feedback Option

2012-11-29 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi all,

Rainer wrote this:
 I like it! And I have some proposals for additions.

Very helpful, thanks. I think I included a bit of almost everything
you said when I updated the page.


On 29 November 2012 21:23, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote:
 Hah :-) so - JFYI - when people click on send-feedback, we now have
 more details about their systems: the exact version of the software
 they're running, the platform, the component (writer, base etc.) and
 more. That would need propagating to file a bug of course;

Sure. Keep in mind, what I did is intended as a mockup, not as a final
implementation. I think I left out everything that was harder to do,
for Rob. I didn't know we add version strings to the feedback URL now,
though. That's definitely nice progress.


 I wonder - Mozilla have done a lot of this work before us - can we
 re-use their backend infrastructure and share development work on that ?
 it'd suck to re-invent all their data analytics / query processing
 etc. ?

Here's how I think Twitter v/ Mozilla's system stack up:

Twitter:
* no need to set up a new hardware/etc. (at least for collecting
feedback; analysing feedback without hardware might be harder)
* verified users = less spam (?)
* many people have Twitter accounts already, so not such a high hurdle
* possible to follow up with users, creating actual contact between
developers/designers/QA'ers/marketeers/... and users
* people might expect us to follow up with them, and when we don't
they become angry (?)
* data becomes Twitter's property not ours
* dependent on Twitter's general mood and API
* probably hard to annotate tweets with LibO/OS version

i.m.o:
* need to set up hardware
* lots and lots of spam and gibberish
* no hurdle but clicking the Send Feedback button
* impossible to follow up with users
* posts are automatically tagged with LibO/OS version
* data is our property

The (supposed) ease of use (both to us and the user) and the promise
of having less spam make Twitter seem attractive to me, still.


 is prolly beyond us ATM, but ... perhaps worth collecting if someone
 will do real analytics on it.

I personally think the feedback is mostly useful for collecting
real-world thumbs-ups/thumbs-downs by region and time.[1] As you said,
actual text analysis is hard, especially if you have to take into
account that our users speak so many languages.

Astron.


[1] There might be the psychological effect that people feel heard, too.

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