Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-04-02 21:50: I'm on a business cable connection max download speed of 2.2Mbps which I get from other dowloads. And closest mirrors would be italy for me. Regardless of the mirror there is something realkystrange going on. Business cable gets priority over residential connections there are a number of factors to count in. We try to provide the best mirror possible, but from time to time, this simply does not work and you have to manually choose a mirror. Different ISPs have different peerings, so do different mirror datacenters, and it may happen that even a business connection (which normally does not have any higher priority, by the way) is slower than a cheap connection at another ISP. The best is to report your ISP/IP and the mirror chosen, so we can adjust the mirrors priority and see if it helps. Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
im on a static ip address the isp is melita cable plc here in malta and my ip is 213.165.178.234 not saying anyone would, but if there is someone who is malicious on this list and they decides to try and denial of service me or anything of that sort your ip will be logged in my router and appropriate action will be taken. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-04-02 21:50: I'm on a business cable connection max download speed of 2.2Mbps which I get from other dowloads. And closest mirrors would be italy for me. Regardless of the mirror there is something realkystrange going on. Business cable gets priority over residential connections there are a number of factors to count in. We try to provide the best mirror possible, but from time to time, this simply does not work and you have to manually choose a mirror. Different ISPs have different peerings, so do different mirror datacenters, and it may happen that even a business connection (which normally does not have any higher priority, by the way) is slower than a cheap connection at another ISP. The best is to report your ISP/IP and the mirror chosen, so we can adjust the mirrors priority and see if it helps. Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+help@global.**libreoffice.orgwebsite%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**website/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-04-03 11:31: im on a static ip address the isp is melita cable plc here in malta and my ip is 213.165.178.234 not saying anyone would, but if there is someone who is malicious on this list and they decides to try and denial of service me or anything of that sort your ip will be logged in my router and appropriate action will be taken. if you don't want your IP in public, don't post it - I don't like these assumptions and that tone, to be honest... But, anyways, which was the mirror that was slow for you? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
My apologies for the tone it wasnt my intention. I guess the closest in geographic region to me is really any italian mirror. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-04-03 11:31: im on a static ip address the isp is melita cable plc here in malta and my ip is 213.165.178.234 not saying anyone would, but if there is someone who is malicious on this list and they decides to try and denial of service me or anything of that sort your ip will be logged in my router and appropriate action will be taken. if you don't want your IP in public, don't post it - I don't like these assumptions and that tone, to be honest... But, anyways, which was the mirror that was slow for you? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+help@global.**libreoffice.orgwebsite%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**website/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-04-03 11:37: My apologies for the tone it wasnt my intention. no problem, just wanted to mention it. ;-) I guess the closest in geographic region to me is really any italian mirror. Can you start a download of LibreOffice and tell me which mirror you get that is slow? The mirror URL should be shown in the download progress window. Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi, Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-04-02 19:33: Neither the tracker nor seeding the torrents generates noteworthy load on the server. It has rather conservative settings when it comes to the number of concurrently seeded files, and not too many people download using the torrents. And as you said: The swarm supports itself, reducing the load even more, in those cases where a torrent is requested by many people. no worries - I really assume my lack of enthusiasm here is due to my lack of understanding. :-) I already did so some time ago - it is in our internal git-based documentation-setup. Configuration seems huge, but that contain all the default values, so don't be scared :-) Ah, cool! Mind installing it on bilbo2 then? If all goes well, I want to kill bilbo-old mid-April. Not sure if that flies already, but the more we migrate, the better it is... Thanks! Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Florian Why not save yourself the headache and have the TDF rent seed boxes from a provider? On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote on 2013-03-28 15:55: As Christian stated, it's not of any harm to keep it alive. Also not to forget: It's an easy to activate and to extend emergency distributing system. I am thinking whether we should host the Torrent on bilbo2 in the future, or put it into a separate VM. I'd like to keep bilbo2 as clean as possible, and IIRC, the current Torrent setup is a bit, well, complicated. :-) Do I assume right that moving the Torrent seed to a VM would mean we have to copy all of the served files there as well? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+help@global.**libreoffice.orgwebsite%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**website/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-04-02 08:12: Florian Why not save yourself the headache and have the TDF rent seed boxes from a provider? because 1. we don't have budget for that 2. I think it's pointless buying hardware for a distributed system like Torrent. :-) Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi Florian, *, On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Friedrich Strohmaier wrote on 2013-03-28 15:55: I am thinking whether we should host the Torrent on bilbo2 in the future, or put it into a separate VM. doesn't make sense, as you would have to duplicate the whole thing. So unless you want to create our own stable mirror besides the master, it would be a waste :-) I'd like to keep bilbo2 as clean as possible, and IIRC, the current Torrent setup is a bit, well, complicated. :-) Actually it is pretty straightforward - you got the tracker, you got the seed and you're done ;-) So only moving the torrents is a bad idea. But when you want to create our own mirror (but why would you do that), then OK. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi, Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-04-02 14:07: doesn't make sense, as you would have to duplicate the whole thing. So unless you want to create our own stable mirror besides the master, it would be a waste :-) hm, okay. I really don't like the idea to host a torrent on our mirror, I think it's pointless, but maybe I just don't understand the concept. :-) I'd like to keep bilbo2 as clean as possible, and IIRC, the current Torrent setup is a bit, well, complicated. :-) Actually it is pretty straightforward - you got the tracker, you got the seed and you're done ;-) Wasn't there some issue with 32/64 bit, chrooting and the like? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi Flo, On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-04-02 14:07: hm, okay. I really don't like the idea to host a torrent on our mirror, I think it's pointless, but maybe I just don't understand the concept. :-) Well - somebody has to be the initial seed :-) (although our torrents have webseeds in them) Actually it is pretty straightforward - you got the tracker, you got the seed and you're done ;-) Wasn't there some issue with 32/64 bit, chrooting and the like? That was back in the OOo-days, but I fixed that long time ago :-) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Christian correct me if i am wrong but isnt that what a seed box is for to have the webseeds to get things going? On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Flo, On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-04-02 14:07: hm, okay. I really don't like the idea to host a torrent on our mirror, I think it's pointless, but maybe I just don't understand the concept. :-) Well - somebody has to be the initial seed :-) (although our torrents have webseeds in them) Actually it is pretty straightforward - you got the tracker, you got the seed and you're done ;-) Wasn't there some issue with 32/64 bit, chrooting and the like? That was back in the OOo-days, but I fixed that long time ago :-) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi Jonathan, *, On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Christian correct me if i am wrong but isnt that what a seed box is for to have the webseeds to get things going? Nope, webseeds are traditional mirrors (as opposed to peer-to-peer), and those sync via rsync. Those are added to the torrent files and can be used as fallback in case the tracker is offline or when there is no seed available. http://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0019.html ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
ahh very interesting indeed :) I am not understanding what exactly the issue is in this thread. I have to say that torrents are so much better then traditional means to download. Im think though with standard downloads granted they are throttled and seems like rather heavily. Regardless what mirror i use in my geographic location the downloads start off at a decent speed and eventually slow down to a crawl. This leaves much to be desired in the sense of someone setting this up in an organization as mission critical piece of software. Regards On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Jonathan, *, On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Christian correct me if i am wrong but isnt that what a seed box is for to have the webseeds to get things going? Nope, webseeds are traditional mirrors (as opposed to peer-to-peer), and those sync via rsync. Those are added to the torrent files and can be used as fallback in case the tracker is offline or when there is no seed available. http://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0019.html ciao Christian -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi, Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-04-02 17:09: Well - somebody has to be the initial seed :-) (although our torrents have webseeds in them) it's just that I don't feel overly comfortable to put more load on the mirror host than needed - I thought that providing some .torrent files should support the distributed community to provide the files manually. But, seems I just lack insight here, so I will shut up. :) Wasn't there some issue with 32/64 bit, chrooting and the like? That was back in the OOo-days, but I fixed that long time ago :-) Ah, ok. Can you write some documentation for the torrent setup, if we gonna reinstall it in bilbo2? Thanks, Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-04-02 17:57: Florian that is why i suggested a seed box and they are not that expensive either.https://www.seedunlimited.com/ I just don't see any sense in it. ;-) TDF provides worldwide mirrors, and invests lots of time and money to provide a reliable download infrastructure. Torrent is a distributed system - why should we invest in a dedicated machine just providing Torrents? It renders the idea behind Torrents useless to me - either it's a central download option as we offer, or it's distributed and done by many. Maybe my view is too narrow on this, as I don't use Torrents at all, but I rather invest in more mirrors than in more Torrents... Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi Florian, *, On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-04-02 17:09: Well - somebody has to be the initial seed :-) (although our torrents have webseeds in them) it's just that I don't feel overly comfortable to put more load on the mirror host than needed Neither the tracker nor seeding the torrents generates noteworthy load on the server. It has rather conservative settings when it comes to the number of concurrently seeded files, and not too many people download using the torrents. And as you said: The swarm supports itself, reducing the load even more, in those cases where a torrent is requested by many people. We have the spare bandwidth on the server, and it doesn't conflict with pushing to the mirrors either (as it only sees the new torrents when the files are made public, i.e. when the initial set of mirrors already do carry the files. - I thought that providing some .torrent files should support the distributed community to provide the files manually. But, seems I just lack insight here, so I will shut up. :) :-) - you do need someone to start seeding - otherwise you only have a file that says byterange x to y has checksum a, byterange w to v has checksum b, ..., other peers gather at tracker - then the client visits tracker, sees the other peers that want the same file, but nobody offers them. So you need to get one copy out into the swarm - and that is mainly the job of the client setup on bilbo. (again I exclude the webseeds here, so in theory a random client could start by downloading the file using the webseed and then seed to the swarm. But as most users have ADSL and their upload is comparably slow, there /should/ be a box that can seed fast) But Ah, ok. Can you write some documentation for the torrent setup, if we gonna reinstall it in bilbo2? I already did so some time ago - it is in our internal git-based documentation-setup. Configuration seems huge, but that contain all the default values, so don't be scared :-) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
What i linked is only 120 euros for an entire year. Why though are the mirrors so slow though to download? That is my only gripe to using them. On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-04-02 17:57: Florian that is why i suggested a seed box and they are not that expensive either.https://www.**seedunlimited.com/ https://www.seedunlimited.com/ I just don't see any sense in it. ;-) TDF provides worldwide mirrors, and invests lots of time and money to provide a reliable download infrastructure. Torrent is a distributed system - why should we invest in a dedicated machine just providing Torrents? It renders the idea behind Torrents useless to me - either it's a central download option as we offer, or it's distributed and done by many. Maybe my view is too narrow on this, as I don't use Torrents at all, but I rather invest in more mirrors than in more Torrents... Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+help@global.**libreoffice.orgwebsite%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**website/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Let me clarify. Downloads start at decent speed and end up slowing to a crawl to the speed of 56k. On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: What i linked is only 120 euros for an entire year. Why though are the mirrors so slow though to download? That is my only gripe to using them. On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-04-02 17:57: Florian that is why i suggested a seed box and they are not that expensive either.https://www.**seedunlimited.com/ https://www.seedunlimited.com/ I just don't see any sense in it. ;-) TDF provides worldwide mirrors, and invests lots of time and money to provide a reliable download infrastructure. Torrent is a distributed system - why should we invest in a dedicated machine just providing Torrents? It renders the idea behind Torrents useless to me - either it's a central download option as we offer, or it's distributed and done by many. Maybe my view is too narrow on this, as I don't use Torrents at all, but I rather invest in more mirrors than in more Torrents... Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+help@global.**libreoffice.orgwebsite%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**website/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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HI Jonathan, *, On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Florian that is why i suggested a seed box and they are not that expensive either. https://www.seedunlimited.com/ A seedbox is pointless. As we have our own servers that are neither at their bandwidth nor at the storage limit. So if not on bilbo itself, we could still use one of our other servers, no need for an additional seedbox. But using another server is pointless from my POV, as we'd duplicate our whole mirroring. That of course can be done on purpose, but then not just for the torrents, but rather to provide a full regular mirror with torrent-seed functionality. My point is that it doesn't impact the webserver or other setup, both client as well as tracker are self-contained, they don't add any significant amount of load, so personally I don't see a reason to separate it from the master-mirror. (but if we'd setup another mirror within our own infrastructure besides the main-mirror, i.e. have download1.documentfoundation.org and download2.documentfoundation.org - then it doesn't matter where the torrent setup resides, it can be on the slave duplicate and doesn't have to be on the master one.) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi, On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: Let me clarify. Downloads start at decent speed and end up slowing to a crawl to the speed of 56k. Are you sure it's not your link being throttled by your ISP ? On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: What i linked is only 120 euros for an entire year. Why though are the mirrors so slow though to download? That is my only gripe to using them. If your downlink is faster than the uplink of a mirror then you might want to try a mirror closer to you or a mirror with higher bandwidth for the uplink or maybe use a download manager that can use multiple mirrors to accelerate the download of a file. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
I'm on a business cable connection max download speed of 2.2Mbps which I get from other dowloads. And closest mirrors would be italy for me. Regardless of the mirror there is something realkystrange going on. Business cable gets priority over residential connections On Apr 2, 2013 9:36 PM, Alin Crețu cra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: Let me clarify. Downloads start at decent speed and end up slowing to a crawl to the speed of 56k. Are you sure it's not your link being throttled by your ISP ? On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: What i linked is only 120 euros for an entire year. Why though are the mirrors so slow though to download? That is my only gripe to using them. If your downlink is faster than the uplink of a mirror then you might want to try a mirror closer to you or a mirror with higher bandwidth for the uplink or maybe use a download manager that can use multiple mirrors to accelerate the download of a file. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote on 2013-03-28 15:55: As Christian stated, it's not of any harm to keep it alive. Also not to forget: It's an easy to activate and to extend emergency distributing system. I am thinking whether we should host the Torrent on bilbo2 in the future, or put it into a separate VM. I'd like to keep bilbo2 as clean as possible, and IIRC, the current Torrent setup is a bit, well, complicated. :-) Do I assume right that moving the Torrent seed to a VM would mean we have to copy all of the served files there as well? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote on 2013-03-27 22:15: I once set up that module to serve those mirrors that already were in place to serve as seeders for the former PrOOo-Box. so, just that I understand it: This is an rsync module other servers use to seed the LibreOffice-Box, correct? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi Erich, *, On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Erich Christian erich_...@irq.at wrote: Am 27.03.2013 15:58, schrieb Florian Effenberger: [libobox-torrent sync module] Is this still required? I don't think so, derives from a time we were knitting torrents by ourselves, as it states above # a good one to keep them alive until having a recommended replacement. which mirrorbrain apparently is imo. But only Friedrich knows the truth behind ;) CCed. mirrorbrain won't really help, as those are meant to be torrent-seeds, while mirrorbrain deals with http/ftp mirrors. The idea with those is to assure that there are capable seeds for the box ASAP, without taking the detour of downloading the file using a traditional mirror. While rtorrent on bilbo likely has enough bandwidth, it has a limit set on the open files, or in other words the number of concurrently seeded torrents. So having dedicated seed for the files where torrent-use is most likely (large iso) and on the other hand low-volume (comparably few users download the iso - other files like for example the windows installer can easily sustain themselves by the swarm, even when the file is in the queue on bilbo). But since we now have webseeds within the torrents, not having a dedicated torrent-seed available is not that much of a problem. But I also don't see a reason against the rsync module - the torrents are there anyway, and the tiny torrent files shouldn't put any stress on the server - it enlarges the config, but that's about it :-) But of course left to the Box-staff to decide whether they want it. (and re rss: there currently is none - the tracker would have the capability to create rss feeds, but as torrents downloaded using the tracker won't have the matching webseeds, end-users should in general visit the download page/download the on-the-fly generated torrent from mirrorbrain) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi *, On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote: speaking of this - tracker is down atm... Up again. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi Florian, *, Am 28.03.2013 11:06 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Friedrich Strohmaier wrote on 2013-03-27 22:15: I once set up that module to serve those mirrors that already were in place to serve as seeders for the former PrOOo-Box. so, just that I understand it: This is an rsync module other servers use to seed the LibreOffice-Box, correct? correct. In case of goettingen machine it's an automated additional archive of all .iso files released by tdf. to give a snapshot of recent traffic on my machine: LO-4.0.0_English-NA-DVD_All-Platforms_Multi-Lang_plus-extras_v1.iso done 3565,6 MB Rate: 0,0 / 0,0 KB Uploaded: 97199,8 MB [T R: 27,26] LibOx-3.6.5_Deutsch_DVD_allplatforms_multilang_extras_v1.iso done 4288,7 MB Rate: 0,0 / 0,0 KB Uploaded: 63960,2 MB [T R: 14,91] LO-3.6.5_English-NA-DVD_All-Platforms_Multi-Lang_plus-extras_v1.iso done 3825,2 MB Rate: 0,0 / 0,0 KB Uploaded: 28298,0 MB [T R: 7,40] LibOx-4.0.0_Deutsch_DVD_allplatforms_multilang_extras_v1.iso done 4068,2 MB Rate: 0,0 / 0,0 KB Uploaded: 71814,7 MB [T R: 17,65] So in summary it's approx. 67 DVDs or 261272 MB (260GB) served by my machine and something similar by the others for the ISOs currently in the loop. As Christian stated, it's not of any harm to keep it alive. Also not to forget: It's an easy to activate and to extend emergency distributing system. Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Documentfoundation Admin team Libreoffice-Box team (http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hello, I'm currently preparing the rsync configuration for a migration to the new bilbo. I've stumbled across this module: # some seeders still syncing box torrents from here - no optimal solution, but # a good one to keep them alive until having a recommended replacement. [libobox-torrent] hosts allow = * path = ###obfuscated### list = true exclude = * include = *.iso.torrent Is this still required? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi Flo, *,
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
I'm currently preparing the rsync configuration for a migration to the new
bilbo. I've stumbled across this module:
# some seeders still syncing box torrents from here - no optimal solution,
but
# a good one to keep them alive until having a recommended replacement.
[libobox-torrent]
Is this still required?
No idea whether it is required - but I can tell that three
servers/people make use of it :-)
cloph@bilbo:/var/log$ grep libobox rsyncd.log |awk '{print $8}' |sort |uniq -c
33 mirror.7he.at
33 ug-uyst-login.student.uni-goettingen.de
33 zweiblum.4m2.net
(and I can hardly imagine a solution that would be superior to using
rsync :-) -- apart from maybe an rss feed, since many clients have
rss-support built-in. )
ciao
Christian
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Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi,
Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-03-27 16:09:
No idea whether it is required - but I can tell that three
servers/people make use of it :-)
hehe.
cloph@bilbo:/var/log$ grep libobox rsyncd.log |awk '{print $8}' |sort |uniq -c
33 mirror.7he.at
33 ug-uyst-login.student.uni-goettingen.de
33 zweiblum.4m2.net
(and I can hardly imagine a solution that would be superior to using
rsync :-) -- apart from maybe an rss feed, since many clients have
rss-support built-in. )
My main question is: Do we need it, or rather, what is it needed/used for?
Florian
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Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi, Am 27.03.2013 15:58, schrieb Florian Effenberger: I'm currently preparing the rsync configuration for a migration to the new bilbo. I've stumbled across this module: # some seeders still syncing box torrents from here - no optimal solution, but # a good one to keep them alive until having a recommended replacement. [libobox-torrent] hosts allow = * path = ###obfuscated### list = true exclude = * include = *.iso.torrent Is this still required? I don't think so, derives from a time we were knitting torrents by ourselves, as it states above # a good one to keep them alive until having a recommended replacement. which mirrorbrain apparently is imo. But only Friedrich knows the truth behind ;) CCed. Could we just shift the 3 mirrors Christian listed into mb unless they are already in? ciao Erich -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi Erich, *, thanks for the poke :o)) Am 27.03.2013 18:39 schrieb Erich Christian: [..] But only Friedrich knows the truth behind ;) :o)) CCed. thanks. Could we just shift the 3 mirrors Christian listed into mb unless they are already in? not that easy. Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Documentfoundation Admin team Libreoffice-Box team (http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] libobox-torrent rsync module
Hi Florian, Christian, *,
Am 27.03.2013 18:27 schrieb Florian Effenberger:
Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-03-27 16:09:
[..]
cloph@bilbo:/var/log$ grep libobox rsyncd.log |awk '{print $8}' |sort |uniq
-c
33 mirror.7he.at
don't remember exactly who that guy was, but could dig, if necessary.
33 ug-uyst-login.student.uni-goettingen.de
This one is under our control. It was the very first server the former
PrOOo-Box was build on.
33 zweiblum.4m2.net
This one is under my control - my private webserver.
I once set up that module to serve those mirrors that already were in place to
serve as seeders for the former PrOOo-Box.
(and I can hardly imagine a solution that would be superior to using
rsync :-)
exactly that is the reason it exists. It was a 5 minute action to setup and
it's running upto now.
-- apart from maybe an rss feed, since many clients have rss-support
built-in. )
I surely won't start to fiddle with rss, so my private seed will stop after
closing the module and the goettingen server will as well - in case nobody will
change that system.
I'm quite sure there is no feed in place. But I might be wrong with this.
My main question is: Do we need it,
Well, I'd assume not really.
or rather, what is it needed/used for?
- It's by far the easiest way to automatically donate traffic for the LibO-Box
exclusively.
- It is the successor of the former PrOOo-Box instant testing network.
Gruß/regards
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