Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations
Hi *, On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: On 07/09/2013 01:09 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: [...] So just pick a version that is not in the multi installer and you'll get the All link. The clicking on Portable under the Package section - bottom left of the page - gives you ...Normal.paf.exe. Should have read pick a *language* that is not in the multi installer to be more clear. Like e.g. Sanskrit: http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=sa-IN So would you want to show both Portable package options? Nah, there I think just showing the matching (chosen or detected) language is sufficient. Are you saying if I was detected to use an African language that is supported by LO, that the link would then select ...All.paf.exe ??? Yes - and that is really trivial to try out yourself... http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=af Afrikaans for example. Or use the Sanskrit one from above. Yes - note that the staging site's download-DB is not up-to-date, so it might not show all downloads that are currently available - but to satisfy your example: for 3.6.6 there are both en and german isos, so try with http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6 → you'll get both offered. For 4.0.4, there is currently only the NA-DVD on the CD/DVD download page. I was not even thinking about 3.6.x. Also 4.1.0 comes out at the end of the month, so I will be planning on making a NA-DVD out of those installs. So what? note that the staging site's download-DB is not up-to-date... [] I have tired the Portable version once a year or two ago, but there may have been issues with testing it while I have LO installed on that Windows system. Please keep this thread focuses to the workings of the download page itself, not about functionalities of the software packages. [...] The German ISO does have other language packs included, but the last time I downloaded it, the text of the DVD was in German. Well, there must be a reason for German in the name, right? But see comment above. ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations
Hi Christian, Le 03/07/2013 22:56, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi *, As indicated in earlier mails, the restructuring of the code for the download-page is almost complete. What is lacking is to make it look a little nicer, but the functionality I intended to add is all there. [...] Thank you very much for doing this. I think it will integrate well with our French parallel presentation of currently available stable versions. I agree with Marc that the main buttons should be above the alternative links. Now for the part where the presentation ends, and my requests for feedback/translation starts :-)) So please provide feedback, if you have css to style it nicely, please go ahead and share. If you have other remarks: feel free to post them. If you reply to more aspects, please split your response into multiple separate messages. (When I ask for translations, also feel free to suggest better English wording) New strings to translate are on the donation page, the text that reads: »Your download %s should begin shortly. Please click the link in case it doesn't start.« (%s is a manual link to the download, using the filename as label) FR translation : Le téléchargement va commencer dans quelques secondes. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien s'il ne démarre pas. and the optional addition »You can find the optional downloads on the left.« (only shown when there are additional donwloads (langpacks/helppacks, other source-packages), but not for e.g. the SDK or the portable version. FR translation : À gauche vous trouvez les téléchargements complémentaires Note: I do not see this text on your test page while there is additionnal dowloads for FR version. Texts on the download page stayed mostly the same, except that the change system, version or language now is split. I did pick »Change Language« and »or change Operating system:« (two separate strings, since Change Langauge is also the label for a link, and if it would be one single string, I would not know where to split it) FR translations: »Change Language« -- Changer de langue »change Operating system« -- Changer de système d'exploitation Stable Versions -- Versions stables Pre-Release Versions -- Pré-versions Other versions (hover to show) -- Autres versions (pointer avec la souris pour les montrer (Sorry I do not know how to say shorter in French ;-) ) [...] No regular installation files are available. FR translation: Aucun fichier d'installation disponible Note: I do not understand what regular means in this context. Please change your selection or pick one from the additional downloads below. FR translation: Veuillez changer votre sélection ou choisir parmi les téléchargements additionnels ci-dessous If you're looking for old versions, please visit our downloadarchive. FR translation: Si vous cherchez une ancienne version, veuillez visitez nos archives. Best regards JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations
Hi all, Just a remark on translation: [...] On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org wrote: Hi Christian, Other versions (hover to show) -- Autres versions (pointer avec la souris pour les montrer I would say survoler de la souris pour les afficher @Christian, may be these strings should be with other on Pootle, we would have all the website strings at the same place? and thanks a lot for your work on this :) Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations
http://staging.libreoffice.org/download I have a question. The Portable section, under Packages, links to the http://staging.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/dl/portable/4.0.4/12/LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe Yet, there is another Portable package that some people might want to choose, if their needed language is not in the normal version. LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualAll.paf.exe So would you want to show both Portable package options? Also, right now there is only one 4.0.4 ISO file, the NA-DVD one. But, I would assume that the German one would be available sometime. So if we have both versions of the DVD for the 4.0.5 installs, would both package links show up here? If you show only one of the Portable package options, the logic would be that you would only show one of the available DVD .iso file options as well. I was just thinking about this. To be really honest, I really like this version of the default download page. It is much easier to use, since there are less clicking needed if you want to download a version that is not the same as the detected one. I.E., you use Linux to browse the page, but you want to download a copy of the Windows or MacOSX version[s] as well. I use Linux for my default desktop, but I have 3 tablets that are Windows based [WinXP, Win7 Home, Win7 Professional] So for the multi-OS user, this version of the download page works well. Right now, it was easier to use the http://www.libreoffice.org/download-more/; page for downloading multi-OS installs over the currently used download page - or at least until the staging one gets to be the default page. I cannot wait till there is an Android OS package listed there as well, plus maybe an iPad version after that. Android is the only OS I use that LO is currently not available. I hope the developers get that version out of the early-alpha stage[s] soon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations
Hi *, On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: http://staging.libreoffice.org/download I have a question. The Portable section, under Packages, links to the http://staging.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/dl/portable/4.0.4/12/LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe Yet, there is another Portable package that some people might want to choose, if their needed language is not in the normal version. LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualAll.paf.exe So just pick a version that is not in the multi installer and you'll get the All link. So would you want to show both Portable package options? Nah, there I think just showing the matching (chosen or detected) language is sufficient. Also, right now there is only one 4.0.4 ISO file, the NA-DVD one. But, I would assume that the German one would be available sometime. So if we have both versions of the DVD for the 4.0.5 installs, would both package links show up here? Yes - note that the staging site's download-DB is not up-to-date, so it might not show all downloads that are currently available - but to satisfy your example: for 3.6.6 there are both en and german isos, so try with http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6 → you'll get both offered. If you show only one of the Portable package options, the logic would be that you would only show one of the available DVD .iso file options as well. Well, yes and no. Portable version is just windows version of LibreOffice, with a different set of supported languages, whereas the LibreOffice DVDs are a compilation of LibreOffice + some additional software and documentation. LibreOffice is multi-lang on both isos. Thanks for the feedback. ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations
On 07/09/2013 01:09 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi *, On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: http://staging.libreoffice.org/download I have a question. The Portable section, under Packages, links to the http://staging.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/dl/portable/4.0.4/12/LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe Yet, there is another Portable package that some people might want to choose, if their needed language is not in the normal version. LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualAll.paf.exe So just pick a version that is not in the multi installer and you'll get the All link. The clicking on Portable under the Package section - bottom left of the page - gives you ...Normal.paf.exe. So would you want to show both Portable package options? Nah, there I think just showing the matching (chosen or detected) language is sufficient. Are you saying if I was detected to use an African language that is supported by LO, that the link would then select ...All.paf.exe ??? Also, right now there is only one 4.0.4 ISO file, the NA-DVD one. But, I would assume that the German one would be available sometime. So if we have both versions of the DVD for the 4.0.5 installs, would both package links show up here? Yes - note that the staging site's download-DB is not up-to-date, so it might not show all downloads that are currently available - but to satisfy your example: for 3.6.6 there are both en and german isos, so try with http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6 → you'll get both offered. For 4.0.4, there is currently only the NA-DVD on the CD/DVD download page. I was not even thinking about 3.6.x. Also 4.1.0 comes out at the end of the month, so I will be planning on making a NA-DVD out of those installs. 3.6.7 is due out sometime next week. I have to think about making a NA-DVD for it as well. [but I am using 4.0.4 for all my system/OSs now]. If you show only one of the Portable package options, the logic would be that you would only show one of the available DVD .iso file options as well. Well, yes and no. Portable version is just windows version of LibreOffice, with a different set of supported languages, whereas the LibreOffice DVDs are a compilation of LibreOffice + some additional software and documentation. LibreOffice is multi-lang on both isos. Thanks for the feedback. ciao Christian I have tired the Portable version once a year or two ago, but there may have been issues with testing it while I have LO installed on that Windows system. It looks like there is another group that has created a different portable system and setup for packages, though I could not get that system to run on my Win7 laptops. X-LibreOffice, I think it is called. The Portable package type of setup is a nice one to have so you can run you favorite package on someone else's Windows computer without needing to install it on that system. The last time I tried it, it was much slower than the installed version, but is is a good way to demonstrate LO to others, if you do not have your laptop [or desktop] handy. Thumb drives are much easier to carry. I have a few 16 and 32 GB ones I carry with me, as needed, for slideshows and other presentations so I do not have to have those presentations/documentation on a specific system that I must take with me. The German ISO does have other language packs included, but the last time I downloaded it, the text of the DVD was in German. The NA-DVD uses generic English for the text of the HTML based DVD, but includes 8 different languages [language and help packs if available]. The NA-DVD does not include the SKD and source code, but has about 2 GB of extras, plus the 90+/- install, language pack, and help pack files for Windows, MacOSX [Intel and PPC], Linux [DEB and RPM], plus the 2 portable packages. BOTH of the DVDs are targeted on different communities, as far as I can tell for the German one. Note--I produce the NA-DVD. I would love to see other DVDs listed on the CD/DVD download page[s]. Having a different DVD created for each major language would be nice to see. Those languages would include; English, German, French, Spanish, Italian, Russia and that region, Middle Eastern region, African regain, Asian region, etc., plus Hebrew [which MSO seems to forget about, or so I have been told]. It would be hard to make one DVD, with the type of extras that the NA-DVD has, with auto detecting language and several language versions of the HTML based text system. I would not fit on a normal 4.7 GB DVD. I looked into it a few years back and could not figure out how to do it, as well as finding the extras in those languages - i.e. all of the documentation in all of those languages. [Well that went off topic a little]. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations
Hi, Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-07-03 22:56: Now for the part where the presentation ends, and my requests for feedback/translation starts :-)) just two things here: I assume you do the German translation on your own? If you need help or a review, just poke me. If you don't get enough feedback, feel free to also poke the projects@ list, asking for help. Thanks! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations
Hi Flo, *, On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-07-03 22:56: Now for the part where the presentation ends, and my requests for feedback/translation starts :-)) just two things here: I assume you do the German translation on your own? If you need help or a review, just poke me. Yes, can do german translation on my own. If you don't get enough feedback, feel free to also poke the projects@ list, asking for help. Thanks - will do - so far no translations arrived. And to answer the other posts: Sure it is possible to move the switches to the bottom. I agree that it is more natural that way. Will make the changes and post to the projects list in the evening. ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations
Hi! This new download page really is easier to use, thanks! Just one question: On Wednesday 03 July 2013, Christian Lohmaier wrote: * clicking on the main download (main installler, or portable, or iso, or sdk, or source for core-repository), will direct to the donate page, and donate-page will show the additional downloads, so the user doesn't have to go back to select languagepack or helppack. What if a localized subsite does not have a donations page (at least for the Finnish subsite adding one would be legally problematic)? Would it be possible to make this redirection configurable so that we could redirect to the generic get involved page (which we do have) or should we just disable the redirection for such subsites completely? Harri -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations
Hi Harri, On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Harri Pitkänen hatap...@iki.fi wrote: On Wednesday 03 July 2013, Christian Lohmaier wrote: * clicking on the main download (main installler, or portable, or iso, or sdk, or source for core-repository), will direct to the donate page, and donate-page will show the additional downloads, so the user doesn't have to go back to select languagepack or helppack. What if a localized subsite does not have a donations page (at least for the Finnish subsite adding one would be legally problematic)? Would it be possible to make this redirection configurable so that we could redirect to the generic get involved page (which we do have) or should we just disable the redirection for such subsites completely? The plan was to just disable the redirection. Redirecting to a get involved page is trickier, as that then also would need the ability to show the additional downloads. ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations
Hi Christian! Am 03.07.2013 22:56, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: I will list the changed strings, so please read all of it/at least skip to the delimiter :-) You can try it out at http://staging.libreoffice.org/download * it is now possible to only select one of the paramaters, instead of all three, i.e. you can preselect a version, and have the rest auto-detect: → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6 will offer the 3.6.6 download, but still detect the language and OS → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=fr will offer the french version, and autodetects version (defaults to latest stable, currently 4.0.4) and autodetects the OS → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=nlversion=3.6.6 will preselect dutch version of 3.6.6 for whatever OS the site detects. * it is now possible for the user to switch os or version using one single choice, without having the need to click through all the pages. Only changing the langauge will show a separate page, because the list of languages is so big. But changing from rpm to deb, or from windows to Mac is now just one click. * also the versions are presented for selection by the user, so both codelines are mentioned/available. The new download page is very functional, thanks for that. But: The new part for changing language, OS or version is cluttering. I think it would be better having three separate lines for choosing. My suggestion: LibreOffice os, version version, language. Not the version you wanted? * Change aLanguage/a * Change Operating System: aWindows/a ... * Change Version: Stable Versions: ... Pre-Release Versions: ... Greetings, Christian. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations
On 07/05/2013 01:27 PM, Christian Kühl wrote: Hi Christian! Am 03.07.2013 22:56, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: I will list the changed strings, so please read all of it/at least skip to the delimiter :-) You can try it out at http://staging.libreoffice.org/download * it is now possible to only select one of the paramaters, instead of all three, i.e. you can preselect a version, and have the rest auto-detect: → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6 will offer the 3.6.6 download, but still detect the language and OS → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=fr will offer the french version, and autodetects version (defaults to latest stable, currently 4.0.4) and autodetects the OS → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=nlversion=3.6.6 will preselect dutch version of 3.6.6 for whatever OS the site detects. * it is now possible for the user to switch os or version using one single choice, without having the need to click through all the pages. Only changing the langauge will show a separate page, because the list of languages is so big. But changing from rpm to deb, or from windows to Mac is now just one click. * also the versions are presented for selection by the user, so both codelines are mentioned/available. The new download page is very functional, thanks for that. But: The new part for changing language, OS or version is cluttering. I think it would be better having three separate lines for choosing. My suggestion: LibreOffice os, version version, language. Not the version you wanted? * Change aLanguage/a * Change Operating System: aWindows/a ... * Change Version: Stable Versions: ... Pre-Release Versions: ... Greetings, Christian. Yes I like it. You have less clicks to go through to download a different OS version than you are browsing with. For those who use several OSs - I use Windows and 64-bit DEBs - it is much esasier to use this page. Also, since it also shows the download for the ISO files, it works in that way as well. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
