Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Hi Goran, Goran Rakic wrote on 2013-03-05 00:18: Sorry, I sent you a link to a wrong message. :( no problem. :) The problem is that the Discover It page is broken when the site is accessed over HTTPS like this https://www.libreoffice.org/home/Discover Browser denies loading CSS over insecure protocol and in dicover-it.html there are absolute links to CSS files starting with http://; that will not be loaded. Ah, okay - I tried to fix this in the source, can you see if this works now? There is another issue at the bottom of the page source where some javascript files are referenced using relative urls. We are using url rewriting so relative urls are broken. This causes javascript errors and page transitions to be missing. It is a minor issue but still should be easy to fix, using protocol-relative absolute urls just like with CSS files above. Instead mysite/javascripts/libs/jquery-1.8.0.min.js the link should be //www.libreoffice.org/mysite/javascripts/libs/jquery-1.8.0.min.js and like so for other files next to it. Thanks for pointing this out! I've fixed it now, can you see if it works? Camille, can you fix both in your local repo as well? Thanks, Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Hi Florian, Camille, *, On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Instead mysite/javascripts/libs/jquery-1.8.0.min.js the link should be //www.libreoffice.org/mysite/javascripts/libs/jquery-1.8.0.min.js and like so for other files next to it. Thanks for pointing this out! I've fixed it now, can you see if it works? If that helps, then it is surely a really crappy and buggy browser. And when the new frontpage is to stay around longer, I'll silverstripify the code anyway and have it include the javascript css via the requriements statements (that then will add ?marker to the URLs so changes get picked up when the files change, and not when the browser-cache expires - most of the css/JS the frontpage uses is not cache right now because it is in nonstandard directories) And btw: the change reintroduced the gap when browser widht is less than 1024 pixels: see http://www.mail-archive.com/website@global.libreoffice.org/msg10300.html (same on vm13) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Hello, Camille Moulin wrote on 2013-03-03 20:03: The last version is actually http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/ , thanks so much for your work, this is really appreciated! I have updated the files on the production server, it should be up to date now. I'm getting a little bit puzzled about the way the things turn: if I read the thread correctly, the presence of the orginal foot is still a blocker, and even the Zareason pictures are also a problem? I have crossread the thread, and I was really tempted to reply - hearing that TDF would be against free software is an extremely ridiculous and a serious accusation. However, I decided to abstain from commenting, because if I am accused of so severe things, I simply think it's not worth replying until a sane discussion level is back. I hope this will all settle down... thanks so much for being patient, I know it's not always easy! ;-) Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Hi Goran, *, On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Goran Rakic gra...@devbase.net wrote: On Fri, March 1, 2013 17:02, Camille Moulin wrote: The url problem mentonned by Goran actually is linked to transition the prod environment. Is there a reason why we can not keep this code public in tdf's github repository? The reason why I didn't put it up there was because I had the impression that the site would be only temporary, to celebrate the release of 4.0.0 apparently I was wrong? ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On Mon, March 4, 2013 09:11, Florian Effenberger wrote: thanks so much for your work, this is really appreciated! I have updated the files on the production server, it should be up to date now. Hi Florian, There is still an embarrassing issue if you click the Discover It link in the footer, the CSS/JS is not loading on the page. I wrote about it last week and it is easy to fix. See here: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/msg10418.html Can we move this landing page to the tdf's github repository? It will be much easier to send a patch/pull request and to deploy by just updating the checkout on the server. Best, Goran -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On 04/03/2013 09:11, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Camille Moulin wrote on 2013-03-03 20:03: The last version is actually http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/ , thanks so much for your work, this is really appreciated! I have updated the files on the production server, it should be up to date now. I'm getting a little bit puzzled about the way the things turn: if I read the thread correctly, the presence of the orginal foot is still a blocker, and even the Zareason pictures are also a problem? I have crossread the thread, and I was really tempted to reply - hearing that TDF would be against free software is an extremely ridiculous and a serious accusation. However, I decided to abstain from commenting, because if I am accused of so severe things, I simply think it's not worth replying until a sane discussion level is back. You can carefully read the thread or not comment at all. You have choose a different route now... I hope this will all settle down... thanks so much for being patient, I know it's not always easy! ;-) Yep, took so much to have Apple removed from the site and got so many opposition, that I'm really wondering how you could consider previous situation and TDF position in favor of FOSS. But don't want abuse of your patient, so I will avoid to ask ;P Marco Menardi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Camille Moulin wrote: @Florian or anyone who can put stuff in prod, here is the list of the files that have been modified Hi Camille, all, first off, thanks a lot for all your efforts here! May I echo Goran's suggestion to put this into git? That would e.g. avoid listing updated files manually each time etc. Also, for making life easier to all involved to tweak and improve things (and, as I hear, also to create derived marketing materials), would it be possible to get original artwork (I presume some sort of vector format you use internally) as well? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Hi Thorsten, Regarding git, of course I 100% agree. Who can set up a repo at https://github.com/tdf ? Regarding the artwork, well, the orginal format is... Photoshop (let the trolls rain! ;-) ) It uses Smart Objects, and there is no equivalent in the OS tools I know: we might have something similar in Gimp when GEGL gains some maturity, but at the moment, but quite still far behind. I tried to get equivalent stuff with inkscape,but quickly went into limitation like https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/171009 Anyway, I tried exporting hoping that Gimp would at least get the different layers, but it won't just open the file: so I don't know what we can more than the separate images we already have. If you know a more successfull way for conversion, please let me know. Cheers, Camille 2013/3/4 Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Camille Moulin wrote: @Florian or anyone who can put stuff in prod, here is the list of the files that have been modified Hi Camille, all, first off, thanks a lot for all your efforts here! May I echo Goran's suggestion to put this into git? That would e.g. avoid listing updated files manually each time etc. Also, for making life easier to all involved to tweak and improve things (and, as I hear, also to create derived marketing materials), would it be possible to get original artwork (I presume some sort of vector format you use internally) as well? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Hello, Goran Rakic wrote on 2013-03-04 19:15: There is still an embarrassing issue if you click the Discover It link in the footer, the CSS/JS is not loading on the page. I wrote about it last week and it is easy to fix. See here: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/msg10418.html hm, it doesn't seem to work - in this case, the upper image looks like this: http://s7.directupload.net/images/130304/obdggoff.png Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On 04/03/2013 21:06, Camille Moulin wrote: Hi Thorsten, Regarding git, of course I 100% agree. Who can set up a repo at https://github.com/tdf ? Regarding the artwork, well, the orginal format is... Photoshop (let the trolls rain! ;-) ) Sorry, can't resist... is so so funny! Just thinking that if users choose their Office suite with the same criteria and with the same scale of values that are adopted to design our web site and graphics, we'd better quit LiBo development immediately ;-) Peace and love :) Marco Menardi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Camille Moulin wrote: Regarding git, of course I 100% agree. Who can set up a repo at https://github.com/tdf ? Give me a desired name for it, and I can do it. If you know a more successfull way for conversion, please let me know. Sorry, not being a graphics artist, you lost me after the first sentence. ;) Still, having the files available would at least open the possibility for others to jump in here. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On Mon, March 4, 2013 21:07, Florian Effenberger wrote: Goran Rakic wrote on 2013-03-04 19:15: There is still an embarrassing issue if you click the Discover It link in the footer, the CSS/JS is not loading on the page. hm, it doesn't seem to work - in this case, the upper image looks like this: Hi Florian, Sorry, I sent you a link to a wrong message. :( The problem is that the Discover It page is broken when the site is accessed over HTTPS like this https://www.libreoffice.org/home/Discover Browser denies loading CSS over insecure protocol and in dicover-it.html there are absolute links to CSS files starting with http://; that will not be loaded. I do not see the source so I do not know if the SilverStripe is rewriting links or if the absolute links are edited in the source on deployment. A possible solution would be to use protocol-relative links, like //www.libreoffice.org/mysite/css/style.css and/or to fix link rewriting done by CMS if any. This will fix the page layout when accessed over HTTPS. There is another issue at the bottom of the page source where some javascript files are referenced using relative urls. We are using url rewriting so relative urls are broken. This causes javascript errors and page transitions to be missing. It is a minor issue but still should be easy to fix, using protocol-relative absolute urls just like with CSS files above. Instead mysite/javascripts/libs/jquery-1.8.0.min.js the link should be //www.libreoffice.org/mysite/javascripts/libs/jquery-1.8.0.min.js and like so for other files next to it. Best, Goran -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Hello, Camille Moulin wrote on 2013-03-01 17:02: A new version of the home page can be tested at: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/ thanks a lot for your work! Given the ongoing discussion, I lost the plot a bit, so: Italo, Charles - is this the version to upload, or shall I wait a bit more for an updated one with regards to the images? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
I am trying to visit the link, but the page does not seem to load? -Original Message- From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:16 PM To: website@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Italo Vignoli; Charles Schulz Subject: Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301 Hello, Camille Moulin wrote on 2013-03-01 17:02: A new version of the home page can be tested at: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/ thanks a lot for your work! Given the ongoing discussion, I lost the plot a bit, so: Italo, Charles - is this the version to upload, or shall I wait a bit more for an updated one with regards to the images? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
The error that I am getting is that the connection is timing out. -Original Message- From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:16 PM To: website@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Italo Vignoli; Charles Schulz Subject: Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301 Hello, Camille Moulin wrote on 2013-03-01 17:02: A new version of the home page can be tested at: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/ thanks a lot for your work! Given the ongoing discussion, I lost the plot a bit, so: Italo, Charles - is this the version to upload, or shall I wait a bit more for an updated one with regards to the images? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-03-03 12:36: The error that I am getting is that the connection is timing out. the VM was down, is working again now - thanks for the hint! Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Le 01/03/2013 17:18, Italo Vignoli a écrit : Il 01/03/2013 17:02, Camille Moulin ha scritto: A new version of the home page can be tested at: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/ Hi Camille, this looks like the very first version with the Mac even of the first page (while today there is a black framed screen on the first page). Oops, wrong URL, sorry : http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/ Camille -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Il 03/03/2013 12:15, Florian Effenberger ha scritto: thanks a lot for your work! Given the ongoing discussion, I lost the plot a bit, so: Italo, Charles - is this the version to upload, or shall I wait a bit more for an updated one with regards to the images? The right URL is the following one: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/ To me, these pages are OK. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Hi Florian, The last version is actually http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/ , Regarding the images, they are the ones provided by Robinson (ZaReason), except for the foot of the screen side-ways, because the perspective was too different to be corrected. I'm getting a little bit puzzled about the way the things turn: if I read the thread correctly, the presence of the orginal foot is still a blocker, and even the Zareason pictures are also a problem? Cheers, Camille Le 03/03/2013 12:15, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hello, Camille Moulin wrote on 2013-03-01 17:02: A new version of the home page can be tested at: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/ thanks a lot for your work! Given the ongoing discussion, I lost the plot a bit, so: Italo, Charles - is this the version to upload, or shall I wait a bit more for an updated one with regards to the images? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Il 03/03/2013 20:03, Camille Moulin ha scritto: Regarding the images, they are the ones provided by Robinson (ZaReason), except for the foot of the screen side-ways, because the perspective was too different to be corrected. Why don't we simply get rid of the foot? It is so small that nobody will probably notice that the screens are floating. I'm getting a little bit puzzled about the way the things turn: if I read the thread correctly, the presence of the orginal foot is still a blocker, and even the Zareason pictures are also a problem? The screens cannot be confused with iMac screens, as they are quite different (in addition to the large lower aluminium frame, iMacs are thinner on the sides, and have no buttons). The actual screens might be similar to MacBooks, but also to a dozen Windows laptops from ASUS, HP, Samsung and Sony, although none of the laptop screens has buttons (and of course they have a keyboard on top of the CPU, with a solid connection to the screen). So, people who still see Macs either have never seen a Mac or want to see a Mac at any cost in any screen, just because there was something looking like a Mac in the same place (which means that we should go back to the old dull page to please them). In my opinion, then, we should publish the pages, and consider the issue as closed. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Le 03/03/2013 20:51, Italo Vignoli a écrit : Il 03/03/2013 20:03, Camille Moulin ha scritto: Regarding the images, they are the ones provided by Robinson (ZaReason), except for the foot of the screen side-ways, because the perspective was too different to be corrected. Why don't we simply get rid of the foot? It is so small that nobody will probably notice that the screens are floating. Well, without the foot, they would look like tablets, so that would be misleading, IMHO I'm getting a little bit puzzled about the way the things turn: if I read the thread correctly, the presence of the orginal foot is still a blocker, and even the Zareason pictures are also a problem? The screens cannot be confused with iMac screens, as they are quite different (in addition to the large lower aluminium frame, iMacs are thinner on the sides, and have no buttons). The actual screens might be similar to MacBooks, but also to a dozen Windows laptops from ASUS, HP, Samsung and Sony, although none of the laptop screens has buttons (and of course they have a keyboard on top of the CPU, with a solid connection to the screen). So, people who still see Macs either have never seen a Mac or want to see a Mac at any cost in any screen, just because there was something looking like a Mac in the same place (which means that we should go back to the old dull page to please them). In my opinion, then, we should publish the pages, and consider the issue as closed. In my opinion, we have reached an acceptable even if not perfect level of non-apple-iness, and it is clear that later images should be thought with this in mind. But if some are extra-motivated to keep on working on this: everybody's free (including me ;-) ). -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On 03/03/2013 20:51, Italo Vignoli wrote: Il 03/03/2013 20:03, Camille Moulin ha scritto: Regarding the images, they are the ones provided by Robinson (ZaReason), except for the foot of the screen side-ways, because the perspective was too different to be corrected. Why don't we simply get rid of the foot? It is so small that nobody will probably notice that the screens are floating. [cut] Agree, is the only clear iMac style and branding piece left, why leave it and not do the work 100% right? In addition I'm sure that without the foot, the emphasys is put more on the screen content, that is LiBo, than on the hardware. If inexplicably the foot is necessary (sigh!?!?), I'm sure graphics web designers that are working on the site (or a friend of them) have a non iMac monitor somewhere and could take a picture of it with the right angle. Best regards Marco Menardi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Hi Robinson, *, Le 01/03/2013 22:03, Robinson Tryon a écrit : [...]My task (as I understood it) was just to get images of all-in-one computers. If the designers here would like me to dig up some images of computer monitors or other equipment, I'd be happy to oblige. Please just drop me a note :-) As far as I'm concerned, there is no constraints about it being an all-in-one : the only constraints are : no brand, not apple-ish, good looking, CC0, and, as we saw with the foot problem, not too hard to integrate into the design. So a nice picture of a laptop would be perfectly ok. A simple monitor, why not - eventhough I'm not completely convinced by the examples cited. But as mentionned in my previous email, I'm not really kean on spending much more time on this subject, especially since the work involved doesn't get much consideration. Cheers, Camille -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Hi Marco, *, Le 03/03/2013 21:47, Marco Menardi a écrit : [...] Why don't we simply get rid of the foot? It is so small that nobody will probably notice that the screens are floating. [cut] Agree, is the only clear iMac style and branding piece left, why leave it and not do the work 100% right? The version with the native foot was the first thing we did, but it looked really weird with the perspective applied ; that's why we made a combination with the iMac-ish foot, which had the proper angle. In addition I'm sure that without the foot, the emphasys is put more on the screen content, that is LiBo, than on the hardware. If inexplicably the foot is necessary (sigh!?!?), As mentionned in my reply to Italo, I think that would make them look like tablets, but please just try it and share the result with us. I'm sure graphics web designers that are working on the site (or a friend of them) have a non iMac monitor somewhere and could take a picture of it with the right angle. I can assure you that it's not that easy ; but, I would be very happy to be proved wrong, honnestly. Cheers, Camille -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On 03/03/2013 22:02, Camille Moulin wrote: Hi Marco, *, Le 03/03/2013 21:47, Marco Menardi a écrit : [...] Why don't we simply get rid of the foot? It is so small that nobody will probably notice that the screens are floating. [cut] Agree, is the only clear iMac style and branding piece left, why leave it and not do the work 100% right? The version with the native foot was the first thing we did, but it looked really weird with the perspective applied ; that's why we made a combination with the iMac-ish foot, which had the proper angle. I see In addition I'm sure that without the foot, the emphasys is put more on the screen content, that is LiBo, than on the hardware. If inexplicably the foot is necessary (sigh!?!?), As mentionned in my reply to Italo, I think that would make them look like tablets, but please just try it and share the result with us. Funny, I what I did in my mail of 27/12/2013 but just now realize that the attachment has been removed from the message once landed on the mailing list, so bad (especially for the further discussion). I'm sure graphics web designers that are working on the site (or a friend of them) have a non iMac monitor somewhere and could take a picture of it with the right angle. I can assure you that it's not that easy ; but, I would be very happy to be proved wrong, honnestly. Ok, if is hard for you figure for me ;P. Using gimp and your mix Mac images, here 3 options with lesser and lesser foot in sequence. I think the libopage_ver_04.png is the best one, if you are afraid of the tablet like in libopage_ver_05.png www.ammdomus.it/pub/libo/libopage_ver_03.png www.ammdomus.it/pub/libo/libopage_ver_04.png www.ammdomus.it/pub/libo/libopage_ver_05.png I've just used the color picker and the eraser of Gimp, but sure you get the idea and can do much better. At the moment, my preferences would go to libopage_ver_04.png version. Best regards Marco Menardi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Camille Moulin camille.mou...@alterway.fr wrote: Hi Marco, *, Le 03/03/2013 21:47, Marco Menardi a écrit : Agree, is the only clear iMac style and branding piece left, why leave it and not do the work 100% right? The version with the native foot was the first thing we did, but it looked really weird with the perspective applied ; that's why we made a combination with the iMac-ish foot, which had the proper angle. Sorry, didn't know that you'd already tried and rejected that particular configuration. I went ahead and hacked together a version with the foot in perspective: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Img_slider_2_with-toes.png Marco -- thoughts? --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Le 03/03/2013 22:42, Marco Menardi a écrit : [...] Using gimp and your mix Mac images, here 3 options with lesser and lesser foot in sequence. Thanks for the work I think the libopage_ver_04.png is the best one, if you are afraid of the tablet like in libopage_ver_05.png Well, yes, in libopage_ver_05.png they really look like tablets to me: don't you think? www.ammdomus.it/pub/libo/libopage_ver_03.png www.ammdomus.it/pub/libo/libopage_ver_04.png www.ammdomus.it/pub/libo/libopage_ver_05.png I've just used the color picker and the eraser of Gimp, but sure you get the idea and can do much better. At the moment, my preferences would go to libopage_ver_04.png version. 03 and 04 look kinda strange IMHO, and also they still recall the original foot, so I'm not really convinced that could solve our problem. I would really like to find a solution that pleases everyone but given limited ressources, it's not easy, and in the mean time, I think it's still better than the images that are on line at the moment. Cheers, Camille -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Le 03/03/2013 23:02, Robinson Tryon a écrit : I went ahead and hacked together a version with the foot in perspective: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Img_slider_2_with-toes.png Marco -- thoughts? Well, it still looks strange to me, but may be it's just me... Cheers, Camille -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Camille Moulin camille.mou...@alterway.fr wrote: Le 03/03/2013 23:02, Robinson Tryon a écrit : I went ahead and hacked together a version with the foot in perspective: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Img_slider_2_with-toes.png Marco -- thoughts? Well, it still looks strange to me, but may be it's just me... Fair enough :-) I asked a couple of people here and they thought it looked okay; they did critique my foot (why isn't the foot turned to be in the same plane as the screen?what's that bump on the edge of the foot?), but I think that's more a reflection of my GIMP skills than anything else :P --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On 03/03/2013 23:13, Camille Moulin wrote: Le 03/03/2013 22:42, Marco Menardi a écrit : [...] Using gimp and your mix Mac images, here 3 options with lesser and lesser foot in sequence. Thanks for the work I think the libopage_ver_04.png is the best one, if you are afraid of the tablet like in libopage_ver_05.png Well, yes, in libopage_ver_05.png they really look like tablets to me: don't you think? I don't own a tablet so is not the first thing that comes to my mind, also since is landscape, but I agree some iPad addict could be tricked ;P (just joking) www.ammdomus.it/pub/libo/libopage_ver_03.png www.ammdomus.it/pub/libo/libopage_ver_04.png www.ammdomus.it/pub/libo/libopage_ver_05.png I've just used the color picker and the eraser of Gimp, but sure you get the idea and can do much better. At the moment, my preferences would go to libopage_ver_04.png version. 03 and 04 look kinda strange IMHO, and also they still recall the original foot, so I'm not really convinced that could solve our problem. Well, about 04 there is a difference in recall the original foot as you stated and is a copy of the Apple iMac foot as is currently, so libopage_ver_04.png does solve my problem indeed. I would really like to find a solution that pleases everyone but given limited ressources, it's not easy, and in the mean time, I think it's still better than the images that are on line at the moment. I want to point once more that is not to please my aesthetic tastes, but to avoid have a FOSS project clearly recall/use/promote something that is strongly against FOSS like Apple is. So sure complete foot is (marginally) better than truncated one, but this is not the most important point at all. If you have limited resources for your car, you first fix the breaks, then, as very secondary, think about improve the car body aesthetic. So limited resources = remove iMacs pictures or use ones that does not recall Apple/iMac and (last), if possible, use the most nice ones. I think libopage_ver_04.png is good enough and, fundamental, can't recall iPrison :) I'm sure that if you put the issue in the FOSS prospective you will agree. Best regards Marco Menardi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Camille Moulin wrote (03-03-13 23:28) Le 03/03/2013 23:02, Robinson Tryon a écrit : I went ahead and hacked together a version with the foot in perspective: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Img_slider_2_with-toes.png Marco -- thoughts? Well, it still looks strange to me, but may be it's just me... I do not follow the discussion closely. Sorry. But I guess that is not to replace some of the current images? Apart from the foot: what is displayed at the screen is not at all appealing for a normal user. Regards, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Il 02/03/2013 06:12, Fabian Rodriguez ha scritto: If this is how contributions are met, why bother asking? I didn't realize this was a club. I am done here. Good bye. I appreciate the fact that you have your own version of freedom, which is based on considering your ideas the only ones worth of respect and consideration. Unfortunately for you, freedom has just one meaning, and the fact that you support software freedom does not mean at all that your version of freedom is the right one. Imposing on others your own version of freedom is not freedom at all. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On 02/03/2013 01:05, Italo Vignoli wrote: Il 01/03/2013 20:54, Fabian Rodriguez ha scritto: I think you meant: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/#0 This is the right page, without the Apple looking monitors. Regarding the monitors, it's my opinion this is worse. They are still clearly recognizable but have buttons, which doesn't really address previous concerns and modifies Apple's design. I am not even sure Apple couldn't send a takedown notice since you're deriving their design for other uses. These monitors are completely different from iMacs, and cannot be exchanged for iMacs (which have a completely different design, with a different border, no buttons, a different foot, and are thinner on the sides). If someone wants to see an iMac in one of these monitors is for two reasons: either he has never seen an iMac, which is possible, or he is against any renovation of the home page (which was definitely in dire need of renovation). Don't know Italo, but as you know (much) better than me, Apple is really good in putting recognizable elements in his products to enforce their branding and subliminal recall. I really see a recognizable element still present, and is the monitor foot. As you stated in another post, I agree to remove it if we can't find something else. When judging if is a Apple monitor we don't have to focus on details (our has buttons, border thick) but what the images recalls. I.e. images in discover it page seems a... new iMac model, due to their foot (recognizable unique element) and general design ;P In any case TDF has to seriously decide if it's still on the FOSS side or not, because this ridiculously long to solve issue, and the attitude of one TDF board member leaves me speechless when tries to negate the problem and ridicule it. In the TDF statute there is a clear point: spreading the philosophical and cultural ideals of FLOSS (btw, this should be put in the manifesto as well, OMHO, that is too narrowed to office suite/data format) I don't think that project/community/foundation that takes user's freedom seriously can even *immagin* to put an Apple product in their home page. Here not only happened but also took 1 month and a lot of extenuating discussion to (I do hope) fix!!! And the wrong pages are still online! I do hope this is the occasion for the TDF to ponder and result in a increased FOSS commitment. Best regards Marco Menardi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On 02/03/2013 11:43, Italo Vignoli wrote: Il 02/03/2013 06:12, Fabian Rodriguez ha scritto: If this is how contributions are met, why bother asking? I didn't realize this was a club. I am done here. Good bye. I appreciate the fact that you have your own version of freedom, which is based on considering your ideas the only ones worth of respect and consideration. Unfortunately for you, freedom has just one meaning, and the fact that you support software freedom does not mean at all that your version of freedom is the right one. Imposing on others your own version of freedom is not freedom at all. Maybe, nevertheless I had the same feeling and frustration... just a coincidence? Nothing wrong on TDF side? Do you really think this obvious issue has been managed in a reasonable way among FOSS activists? We were discussion values vs simple iMages, and iMages (carrying the wrong value and message) were prevailing... does it sound right to you? Is your freedom the one that permits arbitrary content be put online, and ignore *obvious* complains about the fact that is ridiculous wrong? Why do I have to state the obvious and no easy steps are done (remove the images / remove the page until ready) but on the contrary there has been a long defending of Apple branding on them? Take this issue so long and in a so frustrating way (good tactic indeed) until people give up desperate and exhausted? Imposing on others your own version of freedom is not freedom at all ;P Best regards Marco Menardi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On 01/03/2013 17:02, Camille Moulin wrote: Hi *, A new version of the home page can be tested at: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/ It should fix the css problem mentionned by Goran. It also brings some more non mac-ish pictures, thanks to the files provided by Robinson. The url problem mentonned by Goran actually is linked to transition the prod environment. I've checked but I see the same Apple/iMac/we love proprietary products, who cares about FOSS? pollution, nothing visible has changed in the home and in Discover it part, could you help me in find the difference? Thanks a lot, still hoping you *remove* the current embarrassing home and keep developing in http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test until all the relevant issues have been solved. Marco Menardi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Le Fri, 01 Mar 2013 17:14:52 +0100, Marco Menardi marc...@ammdomus.it a écrit : On 01/03/2013 17:02, Camille Moulin wrote: Hi *, A new version of the home page can be tested at: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/ It should fix the css problem mentionned by Goran. It also brings some more non mac-ish pictures, thanks to the files provided by Robinson. The url problem mentonned by Goran actually is linked to transition the prod environment. I've checked but I see the same Apple/iMac/we love proprietary products, who cares about FOSS? pollution, nothing visible has changed in the home and in Discover it part, could you help me in find the difference? Thanks a lot, still hoping you *remove* the current embarrassing home and keep developing in http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test until all the relevant issues have been solved. Marco Menardi No one is going to remove anything untile someone -perhaps you?- have come up with another design. This is getting ridiculous and *religious* . Marco if you have nothing better to do than shout and complain I respectfully suggest that this is not the right list for you. Thanks, -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Il 01/03/2013 17:02, Camille Moulin ha scritto: A new version of the home page can be tested at: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/ Hi Camille, this looks like the very first version with the Mac even of the first page (while today there is a black framed screen on the first page). -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On Fri, March 1, 2013 17:02, Camille Moulin wrote: Hi *, The url problem mentonned by Goran actually is linked to transition the prod environment. Is there a reason why we can not keep this code public in tdf's github repository? It will be much easier for anyone else on the list to send a pull request. We could also avoid (embarrassing) issues in the deployment. I for one will be much more happy to see less Apple products on the homepage too. Best, Goran -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On 01/03/2013 17:18, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Fri, 01 Mar 2013 17:14:52 +0100, Marco Menardimarc...@ammdomus.it a écrit : On 01/03/2013 17:02, Camille Moulin wrote: Hi *, A new version of the home page can be tested at: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/ It should fix the css problem mentionned by Goran. It also brings some more non mac-ish pictures, thanks to the files provided by Robinson. The url problem mentonned by Goran actually is linked to transition the prod environment. I've checked but I see the same Apple/iMac/we love proprietary products, who cares about FOSS? pollution, nothing visible has changed in the home and in Discover it part, could you help me in find the difference? Thanks a lot, still hoping you *remove* the current embarrassing home and keep developing in http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test until all the relevant issues have been solved. Marco Menardi No one is going to remove anything untile someone -perhaps you?- have come up with another design. This is getting ridiculous and *religious* . Indeed insisting with that iMac everywhere is very *religious*, who dares to remove that iGod? My design has been provided in other thread, it's really simple and is called eraser in Gimp. The day that web designers will put a M$Office box on the page and someone will complain, you will call it religious? The only ridiculous thing I see is this blind love to iMac images, the untouchable, better destroy the community than change them... isn't it ridiculous and *religious*? Don't know what could be more. The former home page was much better, clean, simple, about *Libo* and without proprietary software symbols. Except if you want an Apple/proprietary vision promotional message instead... And finally, what insane approach is this: we put whatever we like even if bad/wrong/inappropriate, and we will not remove it until we have something else (that someone will judge with the same criteria used to put that bad content)? Who is urging and forcing us to have a new home page? No one! Put online when is ready. Marco if you have nothing better to do than shout and complain I respectfully suggest that this is not the right list for you. I've contributed my time to OOo and then LiBo for YEARS like a lot of people out there that value FOSS and Freedom, I don't think that we deserve this home iPage. I'm really shocked about all this stuff and the fact that iMac in the home seems fundamental for LiBo, regardless the damage to our credibility. I have a lot of free time now that I've stopped my help to LiBo, and I'm spending it defending the project credibility, until I will surrender and leave it completely forever. In the meantime, if you don't want to hear my opinion, forcedly remove my account from the list is the only option you have to silent me. Best regards Marco Menardi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 13-03-01 11:02 AM, Camille Moulin a ￩crit : Hi *, A new version of the home page can be tested at: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/ I think you meant: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/#0 Regarding the monitors, it's my opinion this is worse. They are still clearly recognizable but have buttons, which doesn't really address previous concerns and modifies Apple's design. I am not even sure Apple couldn't send a takedown notice since you're deriving their design for other uses. Getty Images has a bunch. I trust TDF has some funds to dedicate to this. Here are a few examples: http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/photo/isolated-light-grey-lcd-computer-monitor-royalty-free-image/127524830 http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/photo/blank-lcd-monitor-royalty-free-image/120809421 http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/photo/monitor-on-white-background-royalty-free-image/148989087 Cheers, Fabian - -- Fabian Rodriguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlExB48ACgkQfUcTXFrypNViBgCg9HMMTwir7vPvdBAtCeInRHXo C/cAoNhluFsHe/lxJljoxxIUzmzO1qUD =fiGF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.org wrote: I think you meant: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/#0 Regarding the monitors, it's my opinion this is worse. They are still clearly recognizable but have buttons, Just to clear a few things up: The new pictures are based on images of all-in-one machines made by ZaReason or System76 (I think they both use the same OEM as their supplier), such as this one: https://zareason.com/shop/zima-930.html This page includes the donated images (along with licensing info, etc..): https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Qubit/Images_of_computers ...and modifies Apple's design. I am not even sure Apple couldn't send a takedown notice since you're deriving their design for other uses. Do you mean the feet of the computers? The iMac foot has no toes (if you will.. :-), but the other computer design has a foot with two toes. Two toes: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/mysite/images/img_slider_1.png No toes: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/mysite/images/img_slider_2.png http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/mysite/images/img_slider_3.png Perhaps we could see how img_slider #2 and #3 would look with toes? In terms of wanting to distance the design from an iMac, what if we tweaked the color of the foot to make it a little darker or gave it a tint? I'm not sure how much time such tweaks would take for the graphic designers, but a small touch might help to alleviate ongoing concerns... Getty Images has a bunch. I trust TDF has some funds to dedicate to this. Here are a few examples: http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/photo/isolated-light-grey-lcd-computer-monitor-royalty-free-image/127524830 http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/photo/blank-lcd-monitor-royalty-free-image/120809421 http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/photo/monitor-on-white-background-royalty-free-image/148989087 Those are all images of computer monitors, not of all-in-one machines. My task (as I understood it) was just to get images of all-in-one computers. If the designers here would like me to dig up some images of computer monitors or other equipment, I'd be happy to oblige. Please just drop me a note :-) Cheers, -- Robinson 'qubit' Tryon -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Il 01/03/2013 20:54, Fabian Rodriguez ha scritto: I think you meant: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/#0 This is the right page, without the Apple looking monitors. Regarding the monitors, it's my opinion this is worse. They are still clearly recognizable but have buttons, which doesn't really address previous concerns and modifies Apple's design. I am not even sure Apple couldn't send a takedown notice since you're deriving their design for other uses. These monitors are completely different from iMacs, and cannot be exchanged for iMacs (which have a completely different design, with a different border, no buttons, a different foot, and are thinner on the sides). If someone wants to see an iMac in one of these monitors is for two reasons: either he has never seen an iMac, which is possible, or he is against any renovation of the home page (which was definitely in dire need of renovation). -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote: Il 01/03/2013 20:54, Fabian Rodriguez ha scritto: I think you meant: http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130301/#0 This is the right page, without the Apple looking monitors. Not to belabor the point, but I believe that the images on those pages may include specific design elements from Apple iMacs (perhaps unintentionally). Regarding the monitors, it's my opinion this is worse. They are still clearly recognizable but have buttons, which doesn't really address previous concerns and modifies Apple's design. I am not even sure Apple couldn't send a takedown notice since you're deriving their design for other uses. These monitors are completely different from iMacs, There seems to be some confusion here about what we're displaying on the website. Just for clarity, I believe the images we're talking about depict all-in-one computers such as the newest iMacs or ZaReason's Zima 930. and cannot be exchanged for iMacs (which have a completely different design, with a different border, no buttons, a different foot, and are thinner on the sides). As I mentioned in my previous email, while one of the images pictured appears to be a reasonably faithful reproduction of the all-in-one design sold by ZaReason and System76 (img_slider_1.png), two of the images do appear to include a foot from an Apple iMac (or perhaps an Apple Cinema Display) in their design (img_slider_2.png, img_slider_3.png). If someone wants to see an iMac in one of these monitors is for two reasons: either he has never seen an iMac, which is possible, or he is against any renovation of the home page (which was definitely in dire need of renovation). Hmmm. Perhaps there's a good way for us to resolve this situation so that everyone can come out of it feeling like they have achieved the goals they desire. I believe that in technical terms this is described as win-win-win :-) While I believe it's quite possible that elements of an Apple product are still present in this draft of the website update, let's all remember that it is just a draft, and mere electronic bits that we can easily fiddle and fuss over and tweak several times more before we push a final update to the public front page of the LibreOffice website. As I mentioned in my previous email, we can 1. Update the computer images so they have feet with toes (more chicken, less duck :-), and 2. Tweak the colors of the foot to make the machine look even less like an iMac. Once we have the new computer designs available, it would be great to hear feedback from Marco, Italo, Fabian, and others who wish to have input on the final design before it is deployed. Together, I think we can make the front page of LibreOffice look amazing! Cheers, -- Robinson 'qubit' Tryon -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
Il 02/03/2013 01:43, Robinson Tryon ha scritto: There seems to be some confusion here about what we're displaying on the website. Just for clarity, I believe the images we're talking about depict all-in-one computers such as the newest iMacs or ZaReason's Zima 930. OK, they are not iMacs anyway, and different from iMacs. As I mentioned in my previous email, while one of the images pictured appears to be a reasonably faithful reproduction of the all-in-one design sold by ZaReason and System76 (img_slider_1.png), two of the images do appear to include a foot from an Apple iMac (or perhaps an Apple Cinema Display) in their design (img_slider_2.png, img_slider_3.png). Why don't we simply take away the foot? Once we have the new computer designs available, it would be great to hear feedback from Marco, Italo, Fabian, and others who wish to have input on the final design before it is deployed. Together, I think we can make the front page of LibreOffice look amazing! I do not mind, I am happy with any image. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Home page version 20130301
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 13-03-01 07:05 PM, Italo Vignoli a écrit : This is the right page, without the Apple looking monitors. That's strange. When I scroll right to see the two other screens, they are exactly like iMacs except no logo. Now I notice the first one is the only one with buttons. It is in fact design by the OEM to look very similar to iMacs. Regarding the monitors, it's my opinion this is worse. They are still clearly recognizable but have buttons, which doesn't really address previous concerns and modifies Apple's design. I am not even sure Apple couldn't send a takedown notice since you're deriving their design for other uses. These monitors are completely different from iMacs, and cannot be exchanged for iMacs (which have a completely different design, with a different border, no buttons, a different foot, and are thinner on the sides). If someone wants to see an iMac in one of these monitors is for two reasons: either he has never seen an iMac, which is possible, or he is against any renovation of the home page (which was definitely in dire need of renovation). Twice now I've given feedback, made research, given alternatives in constructive ways and now this. If this is how contributions are met, why bother asking? I didn't realize this was a club. I am done here. Good bye. Fabian - -- Fabian Rodriguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlExij8ACgkQfUcTXFrypNU5PACbBUzPKP8rapg84ZySgMaQ9HXi Y94An1YZwr+zn2O17x2Xi5FSLufrvHXx =CNyv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
