[fedora-websites] Issue #1038: Fedora podcast site

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[fedora-websites] Issue #1038: Fedora podcast site

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The issue: `Fedora podcast site` of project: `fedora-websites` has been reset 
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[fedora-websites] Issue #1038: Fedora podcast site

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@sadin Hey I think we had an email thread a couple weeks or so ago, have you 
made any progress on this one?
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Re: Where are the sources for the spins websites located?

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Hey Carson,

With a new logo coming up for Fedora, those pages are definitely slated for a 
redesign. Our process involves doing mockups first. We would love to see your 
ideas! One of the things we are looking to do is merge the spins and labs sites 
into one since the distinction have proved to cause confusion.

~m

On April 19, 2020 10:10:35 PM EDT, Carson Black  wrote:
>Does anyone here know where the sources for spins.fedoraproject.org
>are? I've been searching through pagure.io/fedora-web,
>github.com/fedora-infra, and other places I would expect to find the
>sources for them, but I've been unable to locate them. I'm interested
>in making the whole thing look less dated (e.g. the KDE spin page is
>displaying a years-old screenshot and displays decade-old icons.)
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[fedora-websites] Issue #964: Download page for Fedora CoreOS

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@bgilbert does the above design look reasonable?
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[fedora-websites] Issue #964: Download page for Fedora CoreOS

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Also see https://pagure.io/fedora-web/websites/issue/4
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[fedora-websites] Issue #964: Download page for Fedora CoreOS

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These are some mockups I worked on based on the new getfedora.org design. The 
only thing kind of funky here is the filters for viewing only stable / testing 
/ next releases... I don't know if they are necessary or not; it's mocked up to 
show the 'view all streams' view.


[![baremetal.png](/fedora-websites/issue/raw/files/53536b35088f7085187ced915da8f00663eee5f099d5bf778f4d77c726a5cd54-baremetal.png)](/fedora-websites/issue/raw/files/53536b35088f7085187ced915da8f00663eee5f099d5bf778f4d77c726a5cd54-baremetal.png)


[![cloudlaunch.png](/fedora-websites/issue/raw/files/5d4422d3dd16084ea46f258be55806021b4274e74bf532fff2edb13e41203549-cloudlaunch.png)](/fedora-websites/issue/raw/files/5d4422d3dd16084ea46f258be55806021b4274e74bf532fff2edb13e41203549-cloudlaunch.png)


[![cloudop.png](/fedora-websites/issue/raw/files/9ae3ad206506c55c390dbada34c75372ba048a9db85d6bb2d8c132b9aa10e74a-cloudop.png)](/fedora-websites/issue/raw/files/9ae3ad206506c55c390dbada34c75372ba048a9db85d6bb2d8c132b9aa10e74a-cloudop.png)


[![drawing.svg](/fedora-websites/issue/raw/files/40b5fab7de64b1d3036a3a63a21db3cd64afe32a68ab118933542998c1788363-drawing.svg)](/fedora-websites/issue/raw/files/40b5fab7de64b1d3036a3a63a21db3cd64afe32a68ab118933542998c1788363-drawing.svg)
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[fedora-websites] Issue #964: Download page for Fedora CoreOS

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@bgilbert hey I had a draft logo for Fedora CoreOS a while back that I did for 
bbread but I think it may have been updated / modified by the Brand team - do 
you know about this or know how I can get the latest / official / approved 
Fedora CoreOS logo?
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[fedora-websites] Issue #950: Spins and labs not linked from redesigned website

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The status of the issue: `Spins and labs not linked from redesigned website` of 
project: `fedora-websites` has been updated to: Closed as Fixed by duffy.

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[fedora-websites] Issue #950: Spins and labs not linked from redesigned website

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We could probably close this ticket then.
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[fedora-websites] Issue #950: Spins and labs not linked from redesigned website

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I handed this off to @ryanlerch and @relrod so I don't know the current status 
of staging, but, the original intention was to have an area with sliders to 
highlight labs and spins, see mockup here:

https://pagure.io/design/issue/601#comment-524501

My guess is that it's not complete yet.
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Re: Suggestions for Website

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No I'm less concerned about that although I'd put it on the about page and not 
as a new footer link.

~m

On March 22, 2019 1:08:53 PM EDT, Brian Proffitt  wrote:
>Does this include the addition of a governance link in the site footer?
>
>BKP
>
>On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 9:36 AM Máirín Duffy 
>wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> So the alt downloads in the sidebar I thought you were talking about
>is
>> different than spins.fpo and alt.fpo. The ones I thought you were
>talking
>> about were, for example, the links to netinstall isos and local media
>> vendors.
>>
>> Spins.fpo and alt.fpo are very intentionally on different websites.
>The
>> getfedora.orgpage is targeted at mainstream first time Fedora users,
>users
>> we wouldnt want using a specific spin as part of their first
>experience bc
>> they are less polished and not as supported as the editions that are
>> featured prominently on getfedora.
>>
>> So I guess my point is that these are not surface level website
>tweaks.
>> The suggested tweaks belie a drastic change in strategy I am not
>> comfortable with, esp without a lot more data and context.
>>
>> ~m
>>
>> On March 21, 2019 6:12:47 PM EDT, Brian Proffitt
>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is certainly not critical, but I beleieve the thread of the
>>> conversation I had with Bex that making the spins and alt
>architectures
>>> easier to find might reduce the friction point a bit for people
>seeking to
>>> try out Fedora.
>>>
>>> However, I think your suggested solution is a very good idea. It
>would
>>> meet the goal we have to demonstrate different platform availability
>and
>>> seems less clunky than what I proposed. Could that be a possibility?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:56 PM Máirín Duffy
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the analysis and info!
>>>>
>>>> For the alt download links - do we want or need to emphasize their
>>>> availability? Is there more context for who needs these, how common
>a need
>>>> that would be, etc? Bc a better solution could be - for example -
>upgrading
>>>> a particular link from an alt link to a main download link if new
>>>> circumstances require it.
>>>>
>>>> ~m
>>>>
>>>> On March 21, 2019 4:03:19 PM EDT, Brian Proffitt 
>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Periodically, the Red Hat Open Source and Standards team looks at
>open source projects with which we are affiliated to see if there are
>community elements that can be improved. Fedora's review late last year
>went very well, and after some discussions with Brian Exelbierd, there
>were a couple of suggestions we wanted to make to your team to
>highlight key areas of Fedora. Specifically:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Highlight the Alternate Downloads links. Currently on your
>Downloads pages, the Get more Fedora links are located on the
>lower-right corner of the page. Moving this section up the sidebar
>would emphasize the availability of these alternative versions of
>Fedora.
>>>>> * Highlight the Project's governance content. The governance model
>for Fedora does exist[1], but it is not easy to find. Could a link be
>added to the About section in the site's footer?
>>>>>
>>>>> Those were the only two things we had to suggest. If you have any
>questions, please don't hesitate to reach out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/
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Re: Suggestions for Website

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Brian,

So the alt downloads in the sidebar I thought you were talking about is 
different than spins.fpo and alt.fpo. The ones I thought you were talking about 
were, for example, the links to netinstall isos and local media vendors.

Spins.fpo and alt.fpo are very intentionally on different websites. The 
getfedora.orgpage is targeted at mainstream first time Fedora users, users we 
wouldnt want using a specific spin as part of their first experience bc they 
are less polished and not as supported as the editions that are featured 
prominently on getfedora. 

So I guess my point is that these are not surface level website tweaks. The 
suggested tweaks belie a drastic change in strategy I am not comfortable with, 
esp without a lot more data and context.

~m

On March 21, 2019 6:12:47 PM EDT, Brian Proffitt  wrote:
>This is certainly not critical, but I beleieve the thread of the
>conversation I had with Bex that making the spins and alt architectures
>easier to find might reduce the friction point a bit for people seeking
>to
>try out Fedora.
>
>However, I think your suggested solution is a very good idea. It would
>meet
>the goal we have to demonstrate different platform availability and
>seems
>less clunky than what I proposed. Could that be a possibility?
>
>Thanks,
>Brian
>
>On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:56 PM Máirín Duffy 
>wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> Thanks for the analysis and info!
>>
>> For the alt download links - do we want or need to emphasize their
>> availability? Is there more context for who needs these, how common a
>need
>> that would be, etc? Bc a better solution could be - for example -
>upgrading
>> a particular link from an alt link to a main download link if new
>> circumstances require it.
>>
>> ~m
>>
>> On March 21, 2019 4:03:19 PM EDT, Brian Proffitt 
>wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Periodically, the Red Hat Open Source and Standards team looks at
>open source projects with which we are affiliated to see if there are
>community elements that can be improved. Fedora's review late last year
>went very well, and after some discussions with Brian Exelbierd, there
>were a couple of suggestions we wanted to make to your team to
>highlight key areas of Fedora. Specifically:
>>>
>>> * Highlight the Alternate Downloads links. Currently on your
>Downloads pages, the Get more Fedora links are located on the
>lower-right corner of the page. Moving this section up the sidebar
>would emphasize the availability of these alternative versions of
>Fedora.
>>> * Highlight the Project's governance content. The governance model
>for Fedora does exist[1], but it is not easy to find. Could a link be
>added to the About section in the site's footer?
>>>
>>> Those were the only two things we had to suggest. If you have any
>questions, please don't hesitate to reach out.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> [1] https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/
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Re: Suggestions for Website

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Hi Brian,

Thanks for the analysis and info!

For the alt download links - do we want or need to emphasize their 
availability? Is there more context for who needs these, how common a need that 
would be, etc? Bc a better solution could be - for example - upgrading a 
particular link from an alt link to a main download link if new circumstances 
require it.

~m

On March 21, 2019 4:03:19 PM EDT, Brian Proffitt  wrote:
>Hi, 
>
>Periodically, the Red Hat Open Source and Standards team looks at open
>source projects with which we are affiliated to see if there are
>community elements that can be improved. Fedora's review late last year
>went very well, and after some discussions with Brian Exelbierd, there
>were a couple of suggestions we wanted to make to your team to
>highlight key areas of Fedora. Specifically:
>
>* Highlight the Alternate Downloads links. Currently on your Downloads
>pages, the Get more Fedora links are located on the lower-right corner
>of the page. Moving this section up the sidebar would emphasize the
>availability of these alternative versions of Fedora.
>* Highlight the Project's governance content. The governance model for
>Fedora does exist[1], but it is not easy to find. Could a link be added
>to the About section in the site's footer?
>
>Those were the only two things we had to suggest. If you have any
>questions, please don't hesitate to reach out.
>
>Thanks,
>Brian
>
>[1] https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/
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Re: Introduction

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Manan!

We can totally use your help. It's late where I am right now but I'm going to 
post a writeup of what we're looking for either tomorrow or Monday next week. 
Hang tight!

Cheers,
~m

On September 13, 2018 2:38:07 AM EDT, Manan Goel 
 wrote:
>Hi Guys
>I'm Manan and I'm a Computer Science undergrad at IIIT-H. I would like
>to start contributing to fedora websites. I have experience with HTML5,
>CSS and JavaScript. I am also familiar with Jquery, React.JS, Node.JS
>and Express. 
>This is a website I made from scratch last year :
>researchweb.iiit.ac.in/~manan.goel. A new one is being made. Please
>tell me about where to get started.
>Regards 
>Manan Goel
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[fedora-websites] Issue #788: IoT web site / landing page

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Posting the design review of the mockup so far from @kylerconway :  

K_REY_C[m] (IRC)
I actually love the workstation/server/etc. graphics without the circles and 
hovering slightly above and out of the containing box. It doesn't draw the eye 
as much that it's a distinct element though (but the download arrows are 
highlighted quite well).
I tend to think about these things as conversion channels -- and I realize I 
don't know what official fedora version is most downloaded (or, which fedora 
would most like to be downloaded).
Just because of shapes, sizes, and placement my eye moves right past 
workstation to the triptych at the bottom (in part due to the darker color 
background of left and right).
Is the magazine article pull going to refresh with new content? (Also, is that 
the bottom of the homepage?)

mizmoFedora Project (+fedoraproject:matrix.org)
yeh the ws one is a bit weak right now
probably should have a screenshot or illustration
yeh my thought is the mag content would get pulled from the rss

K_REY_C[m] (IRC)
That's awesome for the Mag content. That part's great.
I think more people would see it (it took me a long time to know it existed, 
and the homepage would have helped).
Does this section link anywhere?
You potentially have the option of adding some guiding language that could 
break up Workstation from the other releases. I think a textual break under 
workstation might help a bit.
Workstation is what most people who don't exactly know what they're looking for 
are probably looking for (right?), and IoT, Server, and Atomic are for doing 
something different, something more.
That wallpaper looks great on the laptop though. -- first impression of that 
image is: I want this on my computer.

mizmoFedora Project (+fedoraproject:matrix.org)
yeh workstation is what everyone reviews
which section are you asking about linking?

K_REY_C[m] (IRC)
Actually -- you could use the great image of the laptop next to workstation -- 
that might give it the visual bump it needs and direct the eye better.
(link question was the blue screenshot I pasted above).

mizmoFedora Project (+fedoraproject:matrix.org)
ah the pastes arent coming thru

K_REY_C[m] (IRC)
Oh. It's the blue USE/MODIFY/DISTRIBUTE section.

mizmoFedora Project (+fedoraproject:matrix.org)
see i thought about that but wasnt sure what would go on top. maybe an 
illustration. ill try it.
ah. i was thinking itd link to the about fedora page
w upsell on joining community
i dont know if you saw the illustration svitek did for the podcast but i love 
it, could have illustration in that style up top and push laptop to ws section

K_REY_C[m] (IRC)
It's pretty big depending on what the goal is. (And, from that one project I 
did earlier about joining design, I think it would need to have more text and a 
clear clickable element for me to follow.)
I don't think I did see it, but can try to look tonight. I guess I'm just 
thinking if most people visit the page you want to see:
1) Fedora -- New Release -- Workstation -- Download now

mizmoFedora Project (+fedoraproject:matrix.org)
yeh, i think it merits the real estate tho. how we make fedora and the floss 
bit is a differentiator o think

K_REY_C[m] (IRC)
2) other releases (also new): IoT, Server, Atomic)
3) Thinner call to action: learn more, join us.
4) Fresh articles from Fedora mag (i.e. we're a super-active/helpful community)
I agree -- my bias here is coming from a totally different world.
Perhaps a blend of language could work: Fedora Workstation is an innovative, 
free, easy-to-use operating system for laptop and desktop computers with a 
complete set of tools built by, and for, developers and makers of all kinds.
And some of the other language could go in the blue "who is Fedora, learn more, 
get involved" section -- still on the page. 
Take with grains of salt.
(also, I'm hoping this is useful -- let me know if I can be more useful in some 
other way) :)

mizmoFedora Project (+fedoraproject:matrix.org)
i was thinking of moving the blue block down maybe

K_REY_C[m] (IRC)
It provides a nice break for the magazine logo to attach to, but could work.
I really do like it! I just looked at the existing site again and love love 
love this one! Much easier to find download buttons, and see the different 
releases (and that laptop photo is great). Immediately visually refreshing 
(especially after the broken links with the dog!)

mizmoFedora Project (+fedoraproject:matrix.org)
lol

K_REY_C[m] (IRC)
I've got to change locations -- so going afk (is that term still a thing?) for 
a bit. When will the new site be going up?

mizmoFedora Project (+fedoraproject:matrix.org)
yeh i can figure out magazine logo placement tho
this is just a mockup i did this week, i havent shown it before
im guessing f29 wpuld be a target

K_REY_C[m] (IRC)
If this is early stages I'm super-excited for what's coming!

mizmoFedora Project (+fedoraproject:matrix.org)
lol 

[fedora-websites] Issue #788: IoT web site / landing page

[Máirín Duffy]

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I want to post what I have so far for you @robyduck . I worked on this today 
and yesterday. It seems the front page needed a refresh anyway. Does this make 
sense so far?

[![www.png](/fedora-websites/issue/raw/files/fa373aa5b3fb779741af69ce3f139fbeee83357b06d9db43ddf732ca90f8c136-www.png)](/fedora-websites/issue/raw/files/fa373aa5b3fb779741af69ce3f139fbeee83357b06d9db43ddf732ca90f8c136-www.png)
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[fedora-websites] Issue #788: IoT web site / landing page

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duffy added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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@mattdm @robyduck are we dropping atomic edition at some point or is that 
staying or being replaced with something else?
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[fedora-websites] Issue #761: add language button to fedoracommunity.org

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we can do a redesign from the ground up if there's interest. let me know, we 
can open up a design team ticket for mockups.
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Release screenshots

[Máirín Duffy]

Hey,

Marketing has a release deliverable every release to produce
screenshots. Here is the F27 ticket for this work:
https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/266

It seems we are not coordinated between the websites and marketing team
on producing these and maybe are duplicating work? Last release, F26,
the spins teams didn't provide their screenshots but it seems that
spins.fpo has screenshots for all of the desktop spins. So I am
wondering how those screenshots were produced, and if we could work
together moving forward?

Cheers,

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[fedora-websites] Issue #756: Idea for consideration: Redirect front page of fedoraproject.org to new overview docs

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duffy added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
What is generating docs.fedoraproject.org? It's not using Fedora bootstrap? Who 
created this theme?
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[fedora-websites] Issue #756: Idea for consideration: Redirect front page of fedoraproject.org to new overview docs

[Máirín Duffy]

duffy added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@mattdm that ticket says "though note that improvement to the overall look of 
the docs site (including styles, fonts, etc.) are out of scope and a separate 
design project." I don't understand. Does that mean the CSS can't be fixed?
``

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[fedora-websites] Issue #756: Idea for consideration: Redirect front page of fedoraproject.org to new overview docs

[Máirín Duffy]

duffy added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@mattdm if that redirect was set up as-is I think we'll have a lot of confusion 
about which is the 'real' fedora website, and if one is meant to place the 
other.

I suggest changing the title on the docs docs one to say something like "Fedora 
Project Community" instead of just "Fedora" so it was clear what it 
specifically is. 

The logo sizing on that page is out-of-proportion with the layout / text size, 
is there a way to modify that?
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[fedora-websites] Issue #736: Should we add https://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/ to the footer

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duffy added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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you could put the easy fix link or a section about easy fix where the join link 
points - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join
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[fedora-websites] Issue #736: Should we add https://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/ to the footer

[Máirín Duffy]

duffy added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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to the footer of getfedora.org? if so, no - getfedora is for users...
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[fedora-websites] Issue #695: Let's get Fedora higher on search results for "Linux"

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@mattdm we need more people.
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Re: Introduction

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Phuong!


On 08/03/2017 04:37 AM, Nguyen Viet Phuong wrote
> I'm Phuong, I'm an CS student and been using Fedora for over a year.
> Now I want to contribute to this project and hopefully improve myself.
> My major experience is Web Development, mostly in Python(Django). I'm
> really looking foward to this.
Welcome to Fedora :) The websites join page has some information on
getting our repo set up locally if you want to poke around our websites:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ShowUs

Our web apps are a little different; each is its own project. One that I
work on is called Fedora Hubs (it's Python & Flask):

http://pagure.io/fedora-hubs

If you are interested in Django, Hyperkitty is an upstream project we
contribute to and use in Fedora and its front-end is written in Django:

https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty

Take a look around at the different projects we have, and depending on
which one you want to work on maybe we can help you figure out a project
to work on!

Cheers,
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Re: Why is my email address blacklisted?

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Hi Scott,

Do you have a non @zoho.com email address you can use?

~m

On 08/30/2016 03:20 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:

We had over 300 zoho.com accounts created in a month that were used to
spam the website. At that time there were 0 zoho.com accounts which
weren't being used for spam and we didn't get any response from the
abuse email address about this. We then blacklisted the site due to
this.

On 29 August 2016 at 14:31, scott  wrote:

I tried to create an account on the Fedora site to get some help with my
recent install but when I tried to create an account, I recieved the
fallowing error message:

Error!

The following error(s) have occurred with your request:

captcha: Already used.
email: 'graver...@zoho.com' is a blacklisted email.


What can I do to correct this? And, really, why is my email blacklisted?
Will you even git this email if my email address is blacklisted? What did I
do?!

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Re: Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

[Máirín Duffy]

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:54:22 PM EDT, Robert Mayr wrote:
If we want to do that we should take these task to Design ASAP, 
to give them enough time to produce them. Thoughts?


https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/430

:)

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Re: Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

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This issue, as with all other issues we deal with on the websites team, will be 
prioritized accordingly.

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Re: Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

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The members of the web team can address any issues and have the necessary 
skills to do so. Thanks for your feedback.

On March 22, 2016 6:02:10 PM EDT, Nadim Kobeissi  wrote:
>Hey Matthew,
>
>I don't have the necessary skills to remove the white halo. Seeing as
>it's already present on the original image, perhaps we can go ahead and
>use my improved images anyway, and have the halo fixed in the future?
>
>Thanks for steering the ship,
>Nadim
>
>
>From: Matthew Miller 
>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:57 PM
>To: websites@lists.fedoraproject.org
>Subject: Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website
>
>I really appreciate the hard work that went into creating the original
>website and photos. Of course, there's always room for improvement, and
>it's nice to refresh some things, both to make sure they're current
>with what's in Fedora, and just for the sake of keeping them fresh.
>
>
>> https://disk.nadim.computer/misc/fedora/workstation-splash.jpg
>
>On a very specific note, there's pretty visible white halo around the
>laptop in both this and the original. Especially since it's the lead
>image, it'd be nice to clean that up.
>
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Re: Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

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On March 20, 2016 11:33:01 PM EDT, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim@nadim.computer> wrote:
>2) I have asked now multiple times, here in my previous email and on
>the IRC channel, where I can find the repository for the website so
>that I can actually submit proposals for changes so that they can be
>concretely evaluated. Although the Fedora Project is supposed to be
>open and welcoming to contributions, everyone I've asked this to
>(including you) has ignored my question. No one has given me a resource
>on where I can actually submit my tangible proposals for changes to the
>website so that they can be reviewed. Do I have to copy the website on
>my own server and make the changes so that I can show them to the team
>for evaluation? Why is no one pointing me to the repository? How can I
>be more constructive when I'm not being helped with this crucial
>aspect?

All of this is not constructive. Here is a suggestion as to what all of the 
above should have said:

"Where is the website repo?"

The rest is unconstructive and ranty.

~m


>
>Thank you for your response,
>Nadim
>
>From: Máirín Duffy <du...@fedoraproject.org>
>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:14 AM
>To: Nadim Kobeissi; websites@lists.fedoraproject.org
>Subject: Re: Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation
>Website
>
>On 03/20/2016 11:06 AM, nadim@nadim.computer wrote:
>> However, what comes after that is the problem: the Workstation has a
>bunch of sentences that either make very specific technical references
>or in general contribute little value to selling the project. These
>could be fixed by focusing on a more general introduction to the
>desktop environment, daily-use features, and cutting-edge differences
>that separate Fedora from other desktop operating systems.
>Some specifics would be helpful.
>>
>> The most critical problem I have with the website are the photos:
>they're incredibly bad. The photos are of, literally, decade-old
>ThinkPads
>
>The top photo is of a Thinkpad Carbon X1 that, at the time the photo
>was
>taken, was a couple of months old. I believe at this point it's a
>little
>over a year, which makes sense since the website was launched with F21
>which was ~1 year ago.
>> that are completely covered in dirt and dust, running Fedora.
>
>There is one photo, taken of an actual real Fedora user, where there is
>some light reflecting on the screen and there's some dust on the
>screen.
>Sure, we could process that photo to remove that. We can do that. I
>don't think it's the huge deal you're portraying it to be. Also, her
>laptop is a Thinkpad and it cannot be older than 3 years, likely was
>1-2
>years old at the time of the photoshoot.
>
>I appreciate constructive feedback, but spinning a laptop that is at
>most 3 years old to be 10 years old is really not constructive. I used
>a
>Thinkpad in 2006, it was a T41 and it looked quite a bit different and
>was noticeably thicker with a much smaller screen and was less
>sleek-looking.
>>   It's like a caricature of a Linux distro website. I find that to be
>very off-putting and unprofessional.
>
>Again, let's be constructive. This is not.
>> These photos should be replaced quickly and I can't believe they've
>been on the website every time I've gone to download a Fedora image
>over the past two years!
>This site has been active for 1 year, not 2.
>>   They can at least be replaced with photos of clean ThinkPads, and
>better yet, laptops where what's actually on the screen is an
>interesting Fedora use-case that is clearly visible in the photo.
>>
>> If anyone can point me to the correct repository for the website, I
>will make pull requests with suggestions to make the website more
>reasonable, and I will also contribute content and try to make the page
>more useful and accessible to people interested in Fedora. Right now,
>the website seems to be made by Fedora users and seems to target people
>who *already* use Fedora, which is very near-sighted and ultimately a
>bad strategy.

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Re: Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

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On 03/20/2016 11:06 AM, nadim@nadim.computer wrote:

However, what comes after that is the problem: the Workstation has a bunch of 
sentences that either make very specific technical references or in general 
contribute little value to selling the project. These could be fixed by 
focusing on a more general introduction to the desktop environment, daily-use 
features, and cutting-edge differences that separate Fedora from other desktop 
operating systems.

Some specifics would be helpful.


The most critical problem I have with the website are the photos: they're 
incredibly bad. The photos are of, literally, decade-old ThinkPads


The top photo is of a Thinkpad Carbon X1 that, at the time the photo was 
taken, was a couple of months old. I believe at this point it's a little 
over a year, which makes sense since the website was launched with F21 
which was ~1 year ago.

that are completely covered in dirt and dust, running Fedora.


There is one photo, taken of an actual real Fedora user, where there is 
some light reflecting on the screen and there's some dust on the screen. 
Sure, we could process that photo to remove that. We can do that. I 
don't think it's the huge deal you're portraying it to be. Also, her 
laptop is a Thinkpad and it cannot be older than 3 years, likely was 1-2 
years old at the time of the photoshoot.


I appreciate constructive feedback, but spinning a laptop that is at 
most 3 years old to be 10 years old is really not constructive. I used a 
Thinkpad in 2006, it was a T41 and it looked quite a bit different and 
was noticeably thicker with a much smaller screen and was less 
sleek-looking.

  It's like a caricature of a Linux distro website. I find that to be very 
off-putting and unprofessional.


Again, let's be constructive. This is not.

These photos should be replaced quickly and I can't believe they've been on the 
website every time I've gone to download a Fedora image over the past two years!

This site has been active for 1 year, not 2.

  They can at least be replaced with photos of clean ThinkPads, and better yet, 
laptops where what's actually on the screen is an interesting Fedora use-case 
that is clearly visible in the photo.

If anyone can point me to the correct repository for the website, I will make 
pull requests with suggestions to make the website more reasonable, and I will 
also contribute content and try to make the page more useful and accessible to 
people interested in Fedora. Right now, the website seems to be made by Fedora 
users and seems to target people who *already* use Fedora, which is very 
near-sighted and ultimately a bad strategy.

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Re: What kinds of downloads should we list on a generic / other downloads page?

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On 09/17/2015 09:22 AM, Robert Mayr wrote:

we could also
add the respins [2] of the actual edition images, as they are not
official images but people spend a lot of time to make them adding the
latest packages and avoiding so the 500-600MB update you need to do when
downloading for example the F22 workstation image now (there are direct
downloads and torrent files too).


The respins are Fedora Fedora though, as in, not remixes right?

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What kinds of downloads should we list on a generic / other downloads page?

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Hi folks,

So this idea came up in the netinstall download info thread [1], 
although I have been thinking offhand for a while it might be a good 
idea for other reasons (eg enabling testers to find the test images more 
easily - every time I need to find a test image I can never find it. :) )


I'd like to mock something up so we can visualize what this would look 
like and if it would work, but I'm not 100% sure all of the 
downloadtypes we'd want on there. I think the primary things listed on 
the site should be those that are not featured on the main websites - 
they are not editions, spins, or labs (although we can link out to those 
sites.)


To be able to mock this up though, I need to figure out what downloads 
should be featured on the site, and we should probably talk about their 
relative merits / use cases. Here is a (perhaps not exhaustive) list of 
things we could list on this page:


- Netinstall ISOs (so these are built for specific editions, but this is 
the one exception to featuring things not normally featured I think 
would be a good idea)


- the minimal fedora image (it doesn't seem to have a home now?)

- docker containers

- Bittorrent torrent files (could just be a link to refer to torrent.fpo)

- Alternative architecture downloads

  - Digging out dl.fpo / download.fpo / alt.fpo I found x86, aarch64, 
ppc64, ppc64le, s390x, and s390 images.


- boot.fpo images

- testing images
  - nightlies
  - alpha / beta / tc / rc images

- archival images (could just point to archive.fpo)

- the everything DVD that lets you choose a desktop in syslinux that we 
hand out at conferences (does this still exist?)


Am I forgetting anything?

~m


[1] 
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Re: Netinstall download info

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Hi,

On 09/16/2015 09:12 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:

Matthew Miller pointed me at this bug:


The OP had to drop back to a netinstall when he had a bad experience
with the KDE spin.  If there are some problems with a spin, certainly
the responsible SIG can work on solving that.  But in thinking about
the reporter's comments about finding netinstall: perhaps it would
make sense for the spin site to include an unobtrusive pointer to
Workstation or Server netinstall ISO.  This might be analogous to the
Other Downloads section found on the Server and Workstation download
pages.  Thoughts?


I don't think it makes sense for individual spins to point to the 
netinstalls: the spins sites set up an expectation you're going to get a 
specific spin, and the netinstall doesn't do that for you without 
additional work.


What I think might work:

- Create a nice & cleanly-designed image listing on top of something 
like download.fpo or alt.fpo with images like netinstalls or DVDs or the 
minimal image that aren't specifically tied to a specific Fedora edition 
/ spin / lab, but are more generically "Fedora."


- Link to this generic download site in the common footers on all of 
these sites, and give a hint/tip about it in the downloads area of the 
edition / spin / lab sites as appropriate.


I do think the level of prominence of the netinstall images makes sense 
on the workstation page despite the fact they are not tightly coupled 
(people had been going to the server page to get netinstall images to 
install workstation before we added those links IIRC.) I don't know that 
netinstall images specifically need that level of prominence on the 
spins download pages. What I'd recommend there instead is just a simple 
link, "Looking for other options to install Fedora?" or something like that.


Does that make sense?

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Re: Netinstall download info

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On 09/16/2015 09:44 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:

I think I follow you.  Do you think it's possible to accomplish this
site by drawing from the same site-wide definitions file we use for
getfedora.org?  I mean, where we define things like the image sizes,
etc.  It would be awesome to create as little ongoing maintenance cost
as possible over top of existing pages.



Of course, deliverables often rearrange location from release to
release.  So that might be a vain hope, but I guess the goal should at
least be to house and maintain such content from within the fedora-web
repo.


So we talked about this with Robyduck in #fedora-websites just now and 
Robyduck confirmed that a one-pager like the one I'm suggesting could be 
done with globalvar.py definitions and wouldn't be hard to maintain.


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Re: Fedora Developer Portal - UX point of view

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Hi Adam,

On 09/11/2015 03:54 AM, Adam Samalik wrote:

you did a great work, I really appreciate your help. I'm sure the design
implementation is completed, so we can work on the dynamic stuff you've
pointed out - like blog posts and search box.

To implement the header on the page.html template, we might need to
write a simple decorator to get the description. As you said, it doesn't
make sense to copy any texts all over.

I like the idea of DevAssistant banner as a rotation. We're thinking
about adding Vagrant and Docker.


Cool, I'm glad you like the work. Just keep us (the websites team) 
posted if there's anything else you need.


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Re: Fedora Atomic Web site

[Máirín Duffy]

Hey I'm going to be at Flock and would love to be involved in the discussion 
too.

~m

On August 11, 2015 3:09:14 PM EDT, Robert Mayr robyd...@fedoraproject.org 
wrote:
Il 10/ago/2015 20:32, Joe Brockmeier j...@redhat.com ha scritto:

 Hey all,

 Apologies for all the CC's but this spans a number of areas and I
want
 to make sure we're touching all the right lists. My main goal is to
 reach out to the Websites team, but this also touches on marketing
and
 (of course) cloud.

 As you might know, one of the changes for F23 is the two-week Atomic
 release. This means the Fedora Atomic host will be on its own cycle
and
 not released in the same cadence as Fedora Cloud, Workstation, or
Server.

 We still want to tout the work we're doing here and make it easy for
 folks to use and contribute to. Part of the proposal is to have a
 separate site (or page) that promotes Atomic specifically -
separately
 from the Cloud edition.

 So - a couple of questions:

 - where should this page live? Should it be something like
 fedoraproject.org/atomic,  atomic.fedoraproject.org, or
 projectatomic.io/fedora? (Maybe all/some of the above via redirect
magic?)

 - Do folks on the websites team have time and interest to work on
this
 in this cycle?

 If the answer to the second is yes - will any of y'all be at Flock
to
 discuss in person? If no I'd still appreciate feedback on your
 thoughts about where said page should live -- and any other
 considerations that you think are appropriate.

 Thanks!

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Hi Joe,
I remember we talked a bit about this on IRC but this topic needs to be
discussed further indeed.
I'm actually traveling to Rochester, so if you (and all involved)  are
there I'm happy to talk about it.
Thanks.
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Re: [Design-team] new Fedora Atomic sub-site - help wanted

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Matthew,

On 06/17/2015 08:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
This calls for a new, separate http://atomic.fedoraproject.org;. I

don't, however, have anyone lined up to design or create the site
itself. So, this is a first call for help. :) Is anyone interested /
able to work on this?


To help fill out some of the needed context here that I'm not seeing on 
the wiki page [1] I have some questions -


1) Is the main rationale behind removing atomic from getfedora.org and 
separating it out into its own site that the release cycle is much more 
rapid? When we originally discussed separating Fedora out into editions, 
one of the rationales was that each edition could potentially have a 
different release cycle. Has something behind that changed?


2) How does this change the relationship between the Fedora Cloud 
edition and the Fedora atomic images, if at all? What is the overall 
Fedora Cloud Edition  story in having some components available on 
getfedora.org and some on a separate site (atomic.fpo)? Is atomic being 
distanced from the Fedora Cloud edition / no longer part of it?


3) Stepping back from even the specifics of the Fedora Cloud edition 
story in particular - are we separating cloud from containers 
somehow here? For users coming to Fedora with an interest in cloud, is 
atomic.fpo going to be something they will want to know about? For users 
coming to Fedora with an interest in containers, is Fedora Cloud Edition 
(non atomic images) something of interest to them? Are they going to be 
confused picking up docker images from getfedora.org and atomic images 
from atomic.fpo?


4) Would Docker images continue to live on getfedora.org/cloud?

5) Do you want cross-referencing between the sites, eg getfedora.org 
references atomic.fpo (I'm guessing on getfedora.org/cloud?? and maybe 
in the footer?) and atomic.fpo references getfedora.org (i'm guessing to 
getfedora.org/cloud??)


I probably have a lot more questions but they'd depend on the above answers.

Thanks,
~m


[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic
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Re: [Design-team] new Fedora Atomic sub-site - help wanted

[Máirín Duffy]

On 06/17/2015 11:46 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:

See https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/96 for some
background.


The rationale I'm seeing in the links (just to reiterate to make sure 
I'm getting it right):


1) There are tools that don't work with atomic, so atomic installs need 
to identify themselves as 'atomic' so that the tools that don't work 
aren't included with it and we don't ship 'broken' bits. However, those 
tools that break it don't necessarily break 'cloud' images. 
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1200122)


(What I don't get here is why you couldn't allow atomic to identify 
itself as 'atomic' or even 'cloud-atomic,' have the non-atomic images 
identify themselves as cloud, and ship the atomic images on the 'cloud' 
page.)


2) There are people who would like to use atomic tech outside of the 
container host use case, eg workstation labs, so coupling atomic tightly 
to cloud could cause confusion 
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1200122)


Maybe. Or you could roll out atomic images to the other editions in a 
similar manner they've been rolled out on the cloud page, just follow 
the same format when (if that's planned) they are available.


3) Atomic was meant to be an option for *any* of the editions, not just 
cloud, so it shouldn't be coupled with cloud 
(https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2015-March/004996.html)


I wish I knew a little bit more about the problems atomic solves and why 
we don't have atomic versions for all of the editions already and 
whether or not they are in the plan and who would use them for what 
(although I am assuming that is a deep dive.)



My basic mental model here is that the Fedora Atomic Host is something
like a Spin rather than an Edition, except different from the normal
expectations for Spins, too — and definitely doesn't fit into the shiny
new Spins page, which focuses on alternate desktop environments. And it
doesn't seem fit into the Labs model either, since it doesn't have
featured applications (unless you count the atomic command).


For what it's worth, I don't think having featured applications is a 
requisite for being on the Labs page. That section of the page can be 
focused however is needed for Atomic if it were to be a Lab spin.



So, that's why I was thinking whole new page.


The problem with this as a solution is that there is a real cost to 
spinning up a whole separate custom site rather than fitting it into the 
framework that's already been built out - for example, any future 
upgrades done to the sites we already have in place are going to have to 
be done custom to this new site or this new site won't get those 
upgrades for free and may become more dated (as in design / style / 
adherence to the general fedora websites presence look/feel) compared to 
the others. (I do want to contrast this with taking a domain like 
'kde.fpo' and pointing it to a spin page - that's no issue, it's not 
adding a lot of overhead since it's providing a more convenient URL to 
something that's been fit into the site divisions that were established 
instead of creating something new and separate.)


What I don't see in any of the background reading is a real clear 
problem statement driving the decision. What is the exact problem to be 
solved - it seems nebulous? There seems to be reluctance in setting a 
strong direction for cloud edition / story for how atomic fits into 
Fedora in general. At least in what I've read. We should figure out a 
direction and commit to it.


Before spinning up another site I'd advise some kind of one-off 
deep-dive discussion about problem statements / goals here to try to 
come up with the best solution. I'm getting the feeling spinning up a 
new atomic.fpo is going to be a band-aid on something bigger that needs 
to be addressed.



3) Stepping back from even the specifics of the Fedora Cloud edition
story in particular - are we separating cloud from containers
somehow here? For users coming to Fedora with an interest in cloud,
is atomic.fpo going to be something they will want to know about?
For users coming to Fedora with an interest in containers, is Fedora
Cloud Edition (non atomic images) something of interest to them? Are
they going to be confused picking up docker images from
getfedora.org and atomic images from atomic.fpo?


In order: maybe (and that's possibly problematic), yes, yes, and I hope
not.

I'm definitely willing to reconsider this, and I think the Cloud SIG
would be open to consideration too — we could scrap basically
everything I said for your #1 and #2 and fit this into
https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/atomic.html


I think splitting two related resources into different websites is going 
to be problematic for the user experience here, based on how you've 
answered above, although I don't fully understand the type of users 
we're targeting either (I have just never done contextual interviews / 
etc with them.)


I still don't understand what 

Re: [proposal] Fedora Developer Portal

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Adam!

On 05/27/2015 10:57 AM, Adam Samalik wrote:

Do you have any tips, recommendations or expectations about this project? Is 
there something you would like to see on the page? Let's start a discussion!


I think this is a really cool idea and sorely needed.

I would be happy to assist with mockups and I am sure the Fedora design 
intern who is starting up in Brno soon would be happy / able to take 
this on as well.


I think a good set of mockups is a good way to start; this is how we've 
started a lot of our recent web projects.


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Re: Customization to a project's wiki page

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Chenxiong,

On 12/11/2014 02:37 AM, Chenxiong Qi wrote:

I'm a maintainer of Nitrate. Since we already hosted the source code in Github, 
and are using Issues to maintain all potential bugs. Roadmap, View Tickets and 
New Tickets in the navigator in wiki page https://fedorahosted.org/nitrate/wiki 
are never used at all. We would like to make them invisible to users. After 
some research on fedorahosted wiki, not find a proper place where we can change 
options to let them disappear. Can you give some advice and guide? Thanks!


I think this might be possible. I know you can put arbitrary links in 
the nav bar if you have the admin login to your trac project so you 
could put links to github there. The admin panel probably lets you hide 
the links you don't want visible. I think the Fedora Infrastructure team 
is the right place to go for help, you can file a ticket for help here 
after logging in with your Fedora login:


https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/

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Re: Feedback on the new website

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Oliver,

On 12/10/2014 11:32 AM, Oliver Propst wrote:

Just noticed that fedora have just launched a new website [1], must
say I like the more simplistic theme (guess it will be much easier to
get maintain) also its great that its very straight forward to access
the download page.


I'm glad you like it.


It feels very much like workstation page target engineers/developers
and not the advantage user, have fedora given up that market?


That's a question for the workstation working group - we designed the 
sites based on guidance from the individual working groups. The 
information about how to contact that group should be here:


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation


Some of the pictures on that page are not very nice.

*The picture of the person who gives a quote is unsharp and the person
looks very stereotypical of how you expect a developer to look like
(nothing against that person).


What do you mean by unsharp?

Why would we use pictures of people who didn't look like developers to 
represent developers? We take pictures of real people who really use 
Fedora, not models. I don't see many models coding. It would be 
disingenuous at best to use a photo of a model.



*One of a pictures feature a person typing on a computer with a very
dirty screen, think this ruins the pictures as it really takes focus
from an otherwise beautiful picture and gives overall a bad impression
of the page and to some degree fedora.


If that's all it takes to leave a bad impression... wow. We can consider 
tweaking the image but I absolutely disagree with the level of 
importance here.


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Re: Feedback on the new website

[Máirín Duffy]

On 12/10/2014 03:16 PM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:

I have no idea what the page looks on your computers, but I see this:
http://i.imgur.com/IVdaQIA.jpg
The computer is very blurry and grainy. I've looked at it through many
browsers (FF, IE, Opera) and both on my desktop and my laptop. It has
the same grainy texture.


Wow that's wild. I've got a 2560x1440 monitor here and it does not look 
like that. Could be some kind of weird scaling thing - we have noticed 
at some sizes as you resize the browser windows, etc. high-res images go 
blurry (like completely out of sync with the pixel grid.) We'll look 
into it.


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Re: Fedora.next website meeting

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to send out a reminder that we're going to do this today, 
and it's one hour later than originally scheduled (as updated in FedoCal 
a couple weeks ago), so that's


#fedora-websites

15:00 Eastern US
14:00 Central US
21:00 Paris  Rome

Hope to see you there!

~m

On 10/01/2014 04:24 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:

Hi everybody,

We're going to have a meeting about the Fedora.next website on Tuesday,
October 14 at 14:00 Eastern US / 13:00 Central US / 20:00 Paris  Rome
in #fedora-websites on irc.freenode.net. You are more than welcome to
join. I have the meeting set up in Fedocal; I have added both the
websites and design team lists to the reminder notification (which will
go out the day before.)

Robyduck put together the following wiki page to help drive the discussion:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Robyduck/fedora.next-websites

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Re: ask permission to use one picture on fedora webpage

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Camille,

On 10/07/2014 11:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:

Hi Camille. I believe that the intent is for all Fedora artwork (other than
that which is covered by trademark) to be licensed for reuse, probably under
a Creative Commons license. However, this particular image seems to have
been migrated from our older wiki and has possibly lost history and
licensing information in the process. I'm CC'ing our design team mailing
list, where hopefully someone can trace down the details for this particular
image.


Since it was submitted as part of our design process it should be under 
a CC license but I don't remember which one (likely either CC-BY or 
CC-BY-SA.) It was created by Charlie Brej; you might want to confirm 
with him which license he'd prefer and of course attribute it to him. 
His contact information is here:


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CharlieBrej?rd=CharlesBrej

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Fedora.next website meeting

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi everybody,

We're going to have a meeting about the Fedora.next website on Tuesday, 
October 14 at 14:00 Eastern US / 13:00 Central US / 20:00 Paris  Rome 
in #fedora-websites on irc.freenode.net. You are more than welcome to 
join. I have the meeting set up in Fedocal; I have added both the 
websites and design team lists to the reminder notification (which will 
go out the day before.)


Robyduck put together the following wiki page to help drive the discussion:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Robyduck/fedora.next-websites

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Re: Fedora.next website meeting

[Máirín Duffy]

Yeh, we can do that... we are all available at 3 too. I'll change the mtg in 
the cal.


Sent from my phone, which is not an iphone.

div Original message /divdivFrom: Chaoyi Zha 
summermontr...@gmail.com /divdivDate:10/01/2014  4:27 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
/divdivTo: Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org /divdivCc: Fedora 
Websites Team websites@lists.fedoraproject.org,Fedora Design Team 
design-t...@lists.fedoraproject.org /divdivSubject: Re: Fedora.next 
website meeting /divdiv
/divHi Máirín,

Is it possible to push back the meeting half an hour? I'm unable to
come until 14:40 EST. I would love to get in on the discussion, but
the time is inconvenient.

Thanks,

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Re: Maybe it's time to say goodbye to start.fedoraproject.org?

[Máirín Duffy]

On 08/27/2014 10:43 AM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:

Looks pretty. I like the design, but perhaps we can make it a little
more useful? The blog entries in the middle and some of the other blocks
clutter the page quite a bit. Can you make it more minimalistic, so that
people will keep it as their homepage?


We are open to suggestions, of course. make it more minimalistic isn't 
actionable. Can you be more specific?


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Re: Contributing to web related tasks

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Nick!

On 04/20/2014 11:45 AM, Nick Germaine wrote:

I understand that free software needs contributors to succeed, and so
I'm offering my skills up to help out with the websites (I have seen
quite a few tickets in there).


Woohoo! Thanks for joining in!!!

Have you seen any of the information about the new Fedora websites we 
are planning? We could definitely use your help. We're still in the 
planning stages - here's a couple of blog posts that explain the plan so 
far:


http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2014/04/01/a-proposal-for-fedoras-website-considering-fedora-next/

http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2014/04/16/design-hub-idea-fedora-next-website-redesign/

What do you think? Does the plan make sense? Do you have any feedback / 
ideas? Is there anything there you'd like to poke around with and maybe 
build a prototype for?


I have some information here about where our assets are for that design:
http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2014/04/17/get-involved-in-the-fedora-next-web-efforts/

The link that Chaoyi pointed you to 
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join) has information about the 
websites repo - robyduck just created the f.next branch in that repo 
yesterday. That's where the code for this new website plan is going to go.


Does this make sense? Any questions? Does any of this look like 
something you could dive into or do you need more guidance?


I'm mizmo on irc.freenode.net and I hang out in #fedora-design and I'll 
be lurking in #fedora-websites as well.


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Re: Suggestions (was Re: Fedora project wiki)

[Máirín Duffy]

Hey Javier, can you help us out too? What timezone are you in? Are you open to 
a chat?


Sent from my phone, which is not an iphone.

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From: Robert Mayr robyd...@fedoraproject.org 
Date:11/21/2013  4:28 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org 
Cc: websites@lists.fedoraproject.org,Javier Garcia javiert...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: Suggestions (was Re: Fedora project wiki) 

2013/11/20 Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org:
 Hi websites folks,

 Sorry for the top-post, it seemed to make more sense to post this
 particular thing this way.

 What do you think about Javier's suggestions below?

 - I agree with the search box on the wiki being hard to find. It should
 be pretty simple to move it up in the template. I don't have enough
 space on my hard disk right now to clone the websites repo, but if I
 moved a few things around and made room and came up with a patch would
 you folks accept it?

Yes Máirín I agree too, there are also other things we can do to
improve the wiki's homepage.
The templates aren't on the websites repo, but we have more than one
wiki admin here who could look at it.

 - I think the apps are also hard to find but I think that's going to be
 a more involved project. apps.fedoraproject.org is great for exploring
 all of them, but we may want to pull out a few (end-user focused I
 think, not developer-focus) to have more direct links on www.fpo. Does
 anybody have interest in pursuing this?

Yeah, that would be very nice. There are also other sites (apps) which
are developing fast and are very nice.
Badges, fedocal, nuancier and apps are only a few of them (more
community oriented). Perhaps we could think about including them when
starting this project.

 Thanks,
 ~m

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Suggestions (was Re: Fedora project wiki)

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi websites folks,

Sorry for the top-post, it seemed to make more sense to post this
particular thing this way.

What do you think about Javier's suggestions below?

- I agree with the search box on the wiki being hard to find. It should
be pretty simple to move it up in the template. I don't have enough
space on my hard disk right now to clone the websites repo, but if I
moved a few things around and made room and came up with a patch would
you folks accept it?

- I think the apps are also hard to find but I think that's going to be
a more involved project. apps.fedoraproject.org is great for exploring
all of them, but we may want to pull out a few (end-user focused I
think, not developer-focus) to have more direct links on www.fpo. Does
anybody have interest in pursuing this?

Thanks,
~m

On 11/20/2013 10:35 AM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have been using the fedora project web site and I have thought about
 some suggestions that as an end user can make navigation smoother and
 easier, especially to newcomers.
 
 First, I have noticed that the search box in the fedoraproject wiki
 page(fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki) is a little bit hidden
 if you are not very familiar with the wiki. I think that a better place
 could be on top of the left column(over wiki, navigation and
 sub-projects sections) or even better, on the right of page,
 discussion, view source and history tabs and just under the log in
 link, as is placed in the page admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/
 
 Second, the index site apps.fedoraproject.org and those sites that are
 indexed there are really useful, specially for fedora users. However it
 took me too much time to know about some of those wonderful sites and
 when I came across the site it was because of a google result. So I
 think it should be integrated into a most visible place. I propose to
 place a link in the main fedoraproject.org page in the top bar(e.g. in
 between help and contributors) called Resources that when accessed
 should display a page that describes briefly the resources indexed in
 apps.fedoraproject.org and a link to them. If only the main resources
 can be listed there, I think the apps.fedoraproject.org section should
 be described letting the users discover those resources that are not so
 important by themselves, nevertheless that section should be renamed to
 something like fedora project map or Resources index because the
 name apps doesn't intuitively match its purpose. 
 
 Finally if the previous idea is finally implemented, I think that the
 documentation link that is currently in the help page should be also
 available in the Resources section, as it is a valuable resource too.
 
 I think this will make navigation easier and more intuitive to fedora
 users especially to newcomers, and also make the great existent tools
 more available, since if you don't know it exists you can't use it.
 
 Sincerely, Javier
 

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Re: range based voting

[Máirín Duffy]

On 10/14/2013 08:13 AM, ben van 't ende wrote:
 Heyla,
 
 I am community manager for the TYPO3 project. We are investigating the use of
 range based voting in our project. I have understood you have used that in 
 your
 project. Is my info correct? And if so, how have you used it?
 
Just personal opinion, but I've found range voting requires a lot of
education and folks seem to either do it incorrectly or opt out of
voting because it confuses them.

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Re: New download pages, brainstorming

[Máirín Duffy]

On 08/30/2013 03:23 AM, Robert Mayr wrote:
 But users and contributors necessarily have different goals and thus
 different tasks, so I'm not sure how/why one site should (or could)
 serve both?
 
 I think contributors are also end-users, we shouldn't separate them
 strictly. As user and contributor I'd like to have a better main site,
 from where it's possible to access, if I like to, specific sites for
 contributors (wiki, fedorahosted, etc). As Matthew said, I also have a
 long list in my bookmarks, just because the sites are not linked
 together the right way.
 For sure these links should be more hidden, the main links and tabs
 should be and remain for end users and new users.

I just wanted to point out we need to be careful here - absolutely
contributors are users, but they really don't need as much hand-holding
as someone who is new. If you start blending users and contributors in
your head when planning out the design, you tend to drift towards the
more knowledgable and that can make for a site that is kind of
off-putting to new folks because it assumes a level of knowledge they
just don't have yet.

I think it's better to assume less knowledge, guide people through
things, and for folks who are more knowledgable, give them a separate,
streamlined place to get what they want to do done. So for example, we
could have a contributors site that has a more full set of download
links on the same page rather than the onion-layer approach we have now.
(And the onion-layer approach I think is the right one for new folks)

This is why I think making a design that is good for both is kind of
impossible. The onion layer approach (for beginners) vs. the single page
of links (for experts) are at complete odds with each other - you cannot
design the same site both ways at the same time.

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Re: New download pages, brainstorming

[Máirín Duffy]

On 08/26/2013 09:52 AM, Robert Mayr wrote:
 1) Create a drop-down menu on our main page, where we can also add in
 the next months other important changes (fedoramagazine, features,
 etc), to help users to find their desired format or spin faster than
 now. I'm adding a mockup for this here. [2]

This is inconsistent with our website chrome and it blocks banner
content so I'm not convinced it's the right call.

Are there patterns from other websites you're using to inform this
design? Or is it gut? I put the term 'screenshots' in 'Features 
Screenshots' the nav bar because after reviewing dozens of app and OS
websites, it's a really common thing to have in the primary nav. What
problem are you trying to solve by pulling it out and putting it in a
submenu?


 2) Drop the get-fedora-all page completely!
 This doesn't mean I don't want it's content. I'd think more of having
 no more duplicates (some spins are available on 2 or more pages) and
 complete our very nice get-fedora-options page with missing
 informations.

I don't think duplicate info is a problem. People come to sites with
different needs in mind - for someone with need a, they might go to the
one page, person with need b the other page, and the duplicate spins
might help both.

 Finally I'd like to have all spins on spins.fp.o, which means we have
 to include our spin page better in our main fedoraproject.org site to
 have the same effect as now.

What do you mean by this? Make it more visible, or integrate it? (I
think the former is okay, but I don't think we should integrate it at
all. They are not supported anywhere near the level of the main
downloads promoted on get.fpo and listing them equally will give a false
impression.)

 3) Use the get-fedora page to promote all the shipping methods
 The clearest method to do so IMHO would be to drop also the right
 random banners we have on the sidebar (Desktop, 2nd-arches, Cloud,
 Spins) and to put them into the get-fedora page. See a mockup here
 [3], althoough it's not complete (obviously I don't want to have the
 2nd-arches banner alone there and will make them nicer when writing
 the code). The banners should link to the tabs in get-fedora-options
 or to our spins page and give users a clear idea of what is available.

Why would you call out desktop specifically when the desktop edition is
already there on the page? Why would someone click on 'desktop'? Who are
you thinking would be looking for that?

I can see promoting cloud here, or even giving cloud a box like the
'Fedora 19 Desktop Edition' that says 'Fedora 19 Cloud Edition' or
whatnot. I don't like promoting spins with just a button that says spins
because people new to fedora have no idea what spins are. I could see
promoting the arm builds here since arm is pretty relevant and a lot of
people are talking about it and using it for various devices, but I'm
not quite sure s390 and ppc builds are really anywhere near as
interesting or useful to folks browsing this page.

 Same for get-pre-release:we can continue to promote it easily on the
 get-fedora page and we could also advertise it better on our main page
 (drop down menu).

Who do we want using pre-releases? The site was originally designed with
the intent of being more of a showroom for users new to or considering
Fedora. Testers know how to get pre-releases and don't need so much
guidance.

 4) Sidebar: if we want to go ahead with this kind of restyling we can
 drop a lot of stuff on our sidebar, like the rotating banners and the
 events.

Why would we want to drop that content? What problems would that solve?

 Instead of it why not use something nicer? Badges or social networks
 for example? Look at this mockup [4], I'd love it.

Do we actually have social media presences in all those venues? (I don't
think we do) We could put little icons like that for the social media
presences we do have though and have just one row.

I don't know if the sidebar is a good place for general fedora stuff
advertising - that is what we have the sliders on the front page for,
isn't it?
 
 I have created a dedicated branch (web-dl-redesign) to work on and try
 to have it all running and ready for production within F20 GA Release.
 
 Please let me know your thoughts, your ideas and improvements, I'd be
 also happy if someone wants to help me with this part of work. Kévin
 (shaiton) will do the background scripting part (thx) to have our
 variables running the right way also for a completely new download
 pages management.
 And thanks to Maria (tatica) for her drop down menu mockup ;)

Thanks for kicking this off, it's clear we need some kind of change. I
think we need to talk a bit more about the problems we're trying to
solve first though.

 [3] http://paste.opensuse.org/94023207

With this design in particular, I worry that this design says nobody
could make up their mind what is important, so they put everything up
front.

I don't think this is the right approach.

We need direction from FESCO or 

Re: New download pages, brainstorming

[Máirín Duffy]

 2013/8/29 Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org:
 This is inconsistent with our website chrome and it blocks banner
 content so I'm not convinced it's the right call.

On 08/29/2013 04:59 PM, Robert Mayr wrote:
 Ok, I see your concern, do we have other possibilities to make our
 fedoraproject.org site really the center of all fedora websites?
 If that's not the goal we can also keep it like it is now.

Well... we have a lot of sites :) https://apps.fedoraproject.org/ I
think www.fpo might be the only one not on that list? Looks like
spins.fpo  isn't, either. apps.fpo breaks our sites down into 4
categories, though... I think I would categorize them a bit differently
though. E.g., these all kind of focus on contributors... do we have
users who aren't contributors? (I think we do) and I think they are the
focus of www.fpo and some other sites -

- fedoraproject.org - learn about fedora, download it
- spins.fedoraproject.org - try out fedora for specific use cases
- docs.fedoraproject.org - get information/help on using fedora
- ask.fedoraproject.org - get some community support for fedora

I think everything else that we have is contributor-focused.

fedoraproject.org is almost really a splash or like a brochure for new
and prospective Fedora users right now. I guess we have to figure out if
this is okay and if we should improve it based on that current
understanding or should we change our basic understanding of the
function it serves?

 Are there patterns from other websites you're using to inform this
 design? Or is it gut? I put the term 'screenshots' in 'Features 
 Screenshots' the nav bar because after reviewing dozens of app and OS
 websites, it's a really common thing to have in the primary nav. What
 problem are you trying to solve by pulling it out and putting it in a
 submenu?
 
 Hey Máirín don't worry, all the menu links are only examples, and the
 menu is pure CSS, it's rather easy to include it and the instructions
 should be the same everywhere. No patterns, just a hide block and
 display:block on mouse-over, that's it.

Oh okay, I was looking at it more from a design perspective than
technical/implementation. E.g., I was treating the items in the list as
much more important than how the list was implemented.

 2) Drop the get-fedora-all page completely!
 This doesn't mean I don't want it's content. I'd think more of having
 no more duplicates (some spins are available on 2 or more pages) and
 complete our very nice get-fedora-options page with missing
 informations.

 I don't think duplicate info is a problem. People come to sites with
 different needs in mind - for someone with need a, they might go to the
 one page, person with need b the other page, and the duplicate spins
 might help both.
 
 Yes, all people have different needs, but isn't this the reason why we
 should be as clear as possible when linking all the available download
 links or architectures? Duplicating links on 3 different pages is not
 really what I expect to find, as a new user I expect a download page
 which guides me clearly through the various possibilities I have.

Can you give me some specific use cases you're finding a bit muddled in
the current website? Let's walk through them. If you're a new user...
you're just going to want to try Fedora, and we make one canonical link
to do that - the default download. The other stuff is more for
exploring, but if you're new to Fedora you might not know what all of it
is (for ex. spins). What kinds of things would a new user want to find
that is difficult to find there? Cloud images, sure. Anything else?
 
 Finally I'd like to have all spins on spins.fp.o, which means we have
 to include our spin page better in our main fedoraproject.org site to
 have the same effect as now.

 What do you mean by this? Make it more visible, or integrate it? (I
 think the former is okay, but I don't think we should integrate it at
 all. They are not supported anywhere near the level of the main
 downloads promoted on get.fpo and listing them equally will give a false
 impression.)
 
 Yes I mean more visible, because actually we don't have enough links
 to spins.fpo, or better, they are not clearly promoted. I also don't
 like having SoaS or Security or whatever on our fedoraproject.org
 site. They should stay in spins.fp.o.

Yeh I agree 100% they should be on spins. I'm not sure how/when that
change happened.

How much do we want to promote spins? Beyond KDE, are any of the spins
really widely used? How many are well-maintained? It doesn't look like
the download numbers are listed on the site anymore.

 The only reason why KDE should remain on fp.o is that it's a main spin.

I agree. It's also very popular.
 
 3) Use the get-fedora page to promote all the shipping methods
 The clearest method to do so IMHO would be to drop also the right
 random banners we have on the sidebar (Desktop, 2nd-arches, Cloud,
 Spins) and to put them into the get-fedora page. See a mockup here
 [3], althoough it's

Re: New download pages, brainstorming

[Máirín Duffy]

On 08/29/2013 05:59 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
 It's nice to have a brochure site (and I think the one we have is really
 nice!), but I'd love to have the main landing site for both contributors and
 users be more active

But users and contributors necessarily have different goals and thus
different tasks, so I'm not sure how/why one site should (or could)
serve both?

 -- something more like the Fedora Magazine site, with
 frequently-updated curated content,
 and with related sites depending on type
 of interaction. 

The point behind the current www.fpo site was that the content would be
more frequently updated and curated, but the problem is that nobody
stepped up to actually do that work (despite a couple of attempts). Thus
we have pretty much all of the same exact tutorials and interviews that
I wrote for the initial G.A. in - 2009 I think? Just because the content
is stale now, doesn't mean if we redid it that it wouldn't get stale in
another 3-4 years. There is a problem with the content, sure, but it's
not the design, and I'm wary of building another one for more content to
grow stale in.

 I think these are
 
   - learn more - brochure site, including who we are and how to get involved
   - get fedora - download or launch the fedora products
   - user docs  help - docs.fedora, user-focused wiki* , ask fedora

We have this now

who we are? http://fedoraproject.org/en/about-fedora
how to get involved? http://fedoraproject.org/en/join-fedora
download the products http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora
read docs http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-help
ask fedora - linked to here http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-help

Only missing a user-focused wiki (more on that later.)

   - contributor tools - all sorts of stuff. Usually here I'm looking for
a specific task-based thing. I want to find packaging
info, or file a ticket for some subproject or sig, or
create a new change page. Right now I have a tree of
bookmarks for this, which I think is probably a sign
of something not right. 

I think this is definitely a current weakness - but I don't think
stapling this onto www.fpo is the solution. I think there should be a
separate portal for contributors. Traditionally the wiki has been that
portal, but it's not serving that need as well as it used to.
 
 
   * we currently don't have a user-focused wiki! We have some user-focused
 things mixed in with the contributor-focused wiki, and it's confusing
 and scary. I mean scary for me, let alone new users!

A wiki is a piece of technology. What do users need that wiki technology
would provide that we aren't currently providing? Let's start with the
problem, not the implementation :)
 
 How much do we want to promote spins? Beyond KDE, are any of the spins
 really widely used? How many are well-maintained? It doesn't look like
 the download numbers are listed on the site anymore.
 
 I think this is changing with the new proposal. I'm not sure exactly what it
 will mean for non-default targets, but overall I think it will mean that
 their promotion will be more independent -- up to their individual SIGs /
 project teams.

That's pretty much how we operate now. You have a spin, you get a nice
page and listed on the directory - but it's up to you to promote it.

 Same here, I will start thinking about this, and maybe we can go to the
 board or fesco and ask for some guidance.
 
 Yes please! (Not so much just asking for guidance, but I'd love to talk more
 about all of this.)

cool, do you think it's more fesco or more board appropriate?

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Re: Fedora

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Namrata,

On 08/19/2013 09:06 AM, namrata mohapatra wrote:
 I want to install Fedora 18 iso image from , can I use it without
 burning a DVD . I have a windows system

Yes, you can use a USB stick instead. These instructions should walk you
through it - there are instructions specifically for Windows:

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Installation_Guide/Making_USB_Media.html

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Remembering Seth Vidal on fedoraproject.org

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi,

I think it would be nice thing to have a banner tribute to Seth on the
front page of fedoraproject.org. I put together 3 mockups (the same with
color variations.)

We could set up a page where people can submit their memories of Seth
and link to it from the banner.

What do you think?

Here are the mockups:

#1 http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fpo/Seth/black-banner.png

#2 http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fpo/Seth/greydient-banner.png

#3 http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fpo/Seth/white-banner.png

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Re: about site styling in re usability

[Máirín Duffy]

On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 19:36 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
 On 2012-12-05 18:02 (GMT-0500) Ryan composed:
 
  What do you mean exactly by  the philosophy of the styling ? If you
 
 Is there a statement of purpose for the site, or any guidelines on achieving 
 desired ends? Do accessibility, usability or friendliness matter? I haven't 
 looked, as the absence of the latter strongly discourages my use of the site.

It appears you would rather spent what appears to be hours ranting on
mailing lists then helping us out with useful patches. That's fine. A
little disappointing, but it's okay. We'll still be here if you change
your mind.

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Re: about site styling in re usability

[Máirín Duffy]

On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 11:34 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
 I guess you missed the chicken and egg point. The site is difficult to use in 
 its current state. I get aggravated by that difficulty constantly on sites 
 I'm forced to use. I'm strongly disinclined to further the aggravation on 
 sites I'm not forced to use. 

If your personal goal is to make the web more legible, that seems like a
serious handicap in actually helping.

 Mailing list posts are always comfortably 
 legible, as is mail composition.

Just because what you're writing is legible doesn't mean it has any
value or makes any sense, nor does it mean it's not a total waste of
time to read. 

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Re: about site styling in re usability

[Máirín Duffy]

On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 14:10 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
 There are different ways of actually helping. Handicaps are precisely the 
 problem, particularly the totally needless _artificial_ handicaps created by 
 common web site styling. One way of helping is reporting they exist to those 
 who may be empowered to remove them,

You have been so empowered, yet claim you don't have the time / patience
to do the fixing.

In case I didn't already make it clear, flooding lists with emails and
arguments is *not* helpful. Stepping up and providing actually useful
patches *is* helpful.

  which isn't so hard as getting anyone 
 with the power to acknowledge anything should be done about them.

You have a serious handicap on that front as well; why should I be
sympathetic to your bug reports and your rants after you've dragged my
name through the mud on Fedora test list when you know next to nothing
about me?

 The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
 words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

You would be wise to follow that advice.

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Re: about site styling in re usability

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Felix!

On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 00:44 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
 Is there a compelling reason Fedora can't be a leader in web site 
 friendliness as well as distro compilation? Am I the only one involved in the 
 project who thinks following the lead of most of the rest of the web is 
 rude[3]?

Hey, it seems you're pretty passionate about checking font sizes on
websites! Would I be correct in guessing you've got some HTML  CSS
chops to fix these kinds of issues? If so, I warmly invite you to join
the Fedora websites team so you can help fix the type of issues you've
identified.

Here's the process to get started:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ShowUs

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Re: Contact of Matthew Garret for Interview

[Máirín Duffy]

For others on this queue, Matthew has already been contacted.

~m

On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 16:59 +0200, Radiofuzzie.com - Jan Raehm wrote:
 Hi Fedora-Web-Team, 
 
 
 I hope you can help me. I need to do an interview with Matthew Garret about 
 UEFI / Secure Boot. Can you get me in contact with Matthew? Thanks a lot!
 
 For the background: I am a technology journalist working for the German 
 Public Radio Deutschlandfunk. I would like to report about Secure Boot and 
 UEFI in our weekly science programme Computer und Kommunikation. Therefore, 
 I would be very happy if Matthew would agree on a short (telephone or skype) 
 interview - no longer than fifteen minutes. I'm especially interested in the 
 way the Fedora Project will handle the UEFI-problems.
 
 If it is possible, I would like to do the interview within the next few days. 
 At the latest on Thursday. Please let me know if this is possible. You can 
 reach me at any time on phone or by e-mail.
 
 Thanks for all the trouble and looking forward to hearing from you,
 
 Jan Rähm
 
 Freelance Author
 Deutschlandfunk
 
 www.dradio.de/dlf/sendungen/computer/
 
 
 
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Re: Extra stuff creeping up on the website - can we clean it up?

[Máirín Duffy]

On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 19:50 +0300, Elad Alfassa wrote:

 
 How about 400Mhz Intel-compatible system or better
  
 Since we now offer 64bit by default, we need to change this text, we
 are still trying to figure out what is the earliest 64bit CPU we
 support.

64-bit Intel-compatible system or better; 400Mhz or more.
 
 ---
 
 At least 768MB memory (RAM), 1GB recommended for best
 performance
 
 Be bold. Pick one. Forcing a dichotomy on the user is putting
 pressure
 on them that they don't need in the wake of an OS switch.
 
 How about 1 GB memory (RAM)
 If we do this, we need to change the title from installation
 requirement to recommended setup or something similar.  

What is the downside of just saying then

768 MB memory (RAM)

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Re: Extra stuff creeping up on the website - can we clean it up?

[Máirín Duffy]

On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 13:06 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
 On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 19:50 +0300, Elad Alfassa wrote:
 
  
  How about 400Mhz Intel-compatible system or better
   
  Since we now offer 64bit by default, we need to change this text, we
  are still trying to figure out what is the earliest 64bit CPU we
  support.
 
 64-bit Intel-compatible system or better; 400Mhz or more.
  

TBH this is a lie though, we do support 686 systems, why not just say
400Mhz Intel-compatible system or better, that the default download is
64-bit is spelled out pretty clearly on stg.fedoraproject.org. 

We shouldn't pretend we can't support 32 bit when we very much can.

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Re: www.fpo front page banners for Fedora 17's release

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi folks,

On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 01:18 +0200, Máirín Duffy wrote:
 On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 16:06 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
  I would be happy to see AS7 get some love here.

 Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 Feature
 http://lwn.net/Articles/495603/
 
 No, Lennart is not the feature, it's about multiseat.

So I pushed the updated community slide (#4) with Russell's photo and I
also created an AS7 slide (#2). Both should be visible at
http://stg.fedoraproject.org shortly.

Slide #1 is a no-brainer. Slide #3 I need your advice on:

- Should I feature multiseat?
- Should I pick a spin? (games maybe?)

What do you think? 

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Re: www.fpo front page banners for Fedora 17's release

[Máirín Duffy]

On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 16:06 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
 I would be happy to see AS7 get some love here.

Also

Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 Feature
http://lwn.net/Articles/495603/

No, Lennart is not the feature, it's about multiseat.

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internet censorship statement for fedoraproject.org front page (was Re: FUDcon Board Meeting)

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi folks,

Regarding adding a statement about SOPA on the front page of
fedoraproject.org - 

 On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Kévin Raymond
  2. General statement to announce + ticker tape linking to statements
  til the end of the month on the front page. +7

On Mon, 2012-01-16 at 13:29 +, Peter Robinson wrote:
 Jared is writing the statement, when he has it ready he will file the
 appropriate tickets to get the site updated.

We were talking about this in #fedora-design, a few points came up:

- Jared, can you write the statement with the broad header of 'Interent
Censorship', mentioning *both* SOPA and PIPA since both are threats?

- From a website design point-of-view, the best way of incorporating the
statement is to have a heading about it in the orange ticker tape on the
website as well as have the default slide in the main slide area that
relates to internet censorship. Both should click through to the
statement Jared is writing.

- Does anybody have ideas for graphics to go along with the slide text?
Some ideas we had:

  - keep it completely black or a black gradient
  - have a black background with outlines of people that have 'censored'
labels on top of them (and maybe put an outline of beefy somewhere in
there too)
  - (okay this is silly) have an artsy-looking field of hot dog-less
buns

What do you think?

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Re: Suggestion: Black out fedoraproject.org on the 18th to protest against SOPA and PROTECT-IP

[Máirín Duffy]

On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 04:19 -0500, Kévin Raymond wrote:
 I was about to answer the same.
 We all feel really concerned about the Open Source, of course, but
 could not interfer with politics.

FWIW, Mozilla is participating in the blackout.

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Re: bullshits!

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Charlie,

On Wed, 2011-12-14 at 18:55 +0100, charlie wrote:
 soo.. i have installed fedora 16 64-bit. and now i can to play any
 movie, because there is no possible to install any codec with ac-3
 support. there is no support for this problem on ur website, so please
 stop to writte this bullshits on your website! now i have to reinstall
 everything and to back to my previous system... a i have lost 2
 days... thanks;]

You don't need to reinstall your system. Totem does support everything
we claimed as I tested each use case before we created that write-up for
our website. (I use Totem *all* the time to watch videos of all
different formats myself as well as over UPNP, FWIW, and stand by what
we said.) Out-of-the-box, we support free formats only (rationale here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Software_Patents#There_are_free_and_open_software_implementations_of_the_codecs._Why_don.27t_you_include_them.3F
 ) but you can install add-ons that support additional formats. 

Here's more information with tutorials:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia

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Re: [fedoracommunity.org] The filler pics didn't fill up the whole box.

[Máirín Duffy]

On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 21:17 -0600, Sijis Aviles wrote:
 
 The box on the left is intentional. I don't believe there was a
 'purpose' for it other than look. Keeping up with homepage screenshot
 is too much effort. I do recall it should change when someone hovers
 over it though to a darker color. That doesn't seem to be implemented.
  

Yeh, it was originally for screenshots but we never got code in place to
generate the screenshots. :( We could use it for the logos of each
community site, maybe.

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Re: Choosing slide contents for F17's release - in this mailing list thread

[Máirín Duffy]

On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 16:06 +0200, Kévin Raymond wrote:
  2. Feature slide. Right now it's about gnome 3. before that it was about
  auto-installing printer drivers. Which f16 feature we should use for this
  slide?
 
 Grub2 ? :)
 GPT disk label ?
 A user-friendly one, I don't know

GNOME 3.2 is a pretty big deal I think and its inclusion in f16 beta is
already getting lots of positive attention.

Blender 2.5 (but maybe not. Been out a while, it could show Fedora being
slow if we highlight it.)

GNOME Input Integration Provide a unified input indictator for
gnome-shell, allowing users to switch seamlessly between keyboard
layouts and input methods.

Virt-manager Guest Inspection Virt-manager displays the operating
system and applications within a guest, and allows the filesystems and
Windows Registry of a guest to be browsed (read-only).

Sugar 0.94 Provide the latest Sugar Learning Environment, including an
enhanced activity set to provide an stable demo environment for Sugar as
well as an environment for developers. 

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Re: Lxde download link

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On Sat, 2011-09-10 at 14:14 -0400, Morgan Coombs wrote:
 Hi, the fedora 15 lxde spin download link is taking too long to
 respond for me and i really want to try it out.
 

Are you using the torrent?

http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/spins/Fedora-15-i686-Live-LXDE.torrent

If not, can you provide the URL to the link you're trying?

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Re: Fedora Community

[Máirín Duffy]

On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 21:53 +, Luke Macken wrote:
 Personally, I still use fedoracommunity on a regular basis, and find it
 to be extremely useful in many ways. Right now we do not have any idea
 as to how many people are using it. I think we should do some log
 analysis, and maybe a survey to see what people like/dislike/want. Also,
 Mo did a usability study at FUDCon many moons ago, and we have yet to
 really sit down and analyze the results.

FWIW:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraCommunity/UsabilityTestingRound1

The analysis I put together is here, but we never sat down and went
through it and determined the right solution for each:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraCommunity/UsabilityTestingRound1/AnalysisAndTakeaways


 So, in order to remove the 'beta' from fedoracommunity, I would
 personally like the see the following happen:
 
 * Polish up the interface, and make it *much* snappier.
   Right now the interface feels very clunky, and the full page
   reloads when clicking on certain areas is killing us. There
   is still a lot of low-hanging fruit in terms of optimization.

Need to update to the new 960.gs template too since the old Fedora css
is going away.
 
 Spot, J5 and I will be meeting next Thursday to draft a potential
 roadmap going forward.

I'd be interested in joining if you wouldn't mind...


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Re: F15 | Tutorials

[Máirín Duffy]

On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 13:05 +, Jef van Schendel wrote:
 2011/4/22 Elad el...@doom.co.il:
  No, I was talking about the screenshots in the features page, eg.
  https://fedoraproject.org/static/images/features/screenshots/networkmanager.png
 
 I can help with that. I don't have Mo's original source files but I
 can recreate the effect no problem.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Website_redesign/Mockups/Www.fpo#Sources

:)

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group photo from a recent event?

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Ambassadors,

I am wondering if anyone has a group photo of Fedora folks from a recent
event? We'd like to update the group photo from FUDcon Zurich that is
now up on fedoraproject.org.

Let us know -

Thanks,
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Re: No Fedora 14 screenshots?

[Máirín Duffy]

On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 14:38 -0700, zem...@softhome.net wrote:
 Hi, 
 
 I was interested in seeing pictures of Fedora 14 and went to your website at 
 fedoraproject.org and clicked in the link Features  Screenshots. 
 
 I was taken to http://fedoraproject.org/en/features/ but I could not see a 
 single screenshot there. 

Try the navbar. You start out on the 'Overview' tab. Try the others...

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Re: [patch] fedoraproject.org

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Bert,

On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 14:17 +0100, Bert Desmet wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I created a patch for the fedoraproject.org main website.
 I think it's more easy to not have an 'ok' button next to the language
 selector..
 So, I made that if you select a new language, the site loads the new
 language automagically ;-)

I think not having an explicit 'OK' button unfortunately makes the
language selection inaccessible for the visually-impaired who may be
using a screen reader with javascript enabled. 

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Re: figured out the image color issue (FF 3.5 and higher)

[Máirín Duffy]

On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 17:41 -0600, Ian Weller wrote:
 http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/
 
 So, I'm going to write a quick hacky script to check images for those
 fields, and if they have them, delete them, along with a list of
 ignores. This'll go in the root of fedora-web.git
 
 Are there any images that need to *not* be in the ignores list?

Delete the images, or delete the fields? If you're just deleting the
fields, what images would not have the fields deleted?

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Re: Change Contributors to Wiki?

[Máirín Duffy]

On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 17:54 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 On 11/01/2010 05:35 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
  On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 13:30 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote
  I think wiki has a lot of useful content for users and we keep adding
  more.  I am not sure it is intended for just contributors. 
  Can you give me some examples? Is this content best accessed from the
  front page of the wiki or from a lead-in on the website?
 
 If it is not accessible from the front page, maybe they should be but
 there are a quite a few popular pages like the one on using preupgrade
 or upgrading via yum for instance that are often referred to by end
 users and those are the sort of content I spend most of my time editing
 and end users specifically look for the word wiki in the front page. 

Do you have a full list of the most popular pages? Where are you getting
the statistics from (or is it just anecdotal? Fine either way, I'm just
wondering!)

We tried to link to common wiki pages such as the common/known bugs wiki
page on the help tab... it would be great to list out the top ones and
lead right into them from the website.

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Re: Change Contributors to Wiki?

[Máirín Duffy]

On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 11:41 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
 What if Contributors went to a specific page on the wiki, such as
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join , and a Wiki link went to the
 wiki front page?

I'm really sorry, but I'm not comfortable with this suggestion at all.
As pointed out earlier, a link that says Wiki is like a link that says
Drupal to take me to x website or a link that says IRC to take me to
a chat or Ford Festiva to take me to Salisbury Beach. I'd rather the
destination/purpose, not the method, be the label.

We already have a page centered around getting folks to join Fedora, it
is the Community link.

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Re: Change Contributors to Wiki?

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Karsten,

On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 17:10 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
 Right, that's fine; like Ian, I was mainly pointing out that the
 wiki[1] is (at least) dual-purpose, so putting a link to it's
 front-page might come from two different purposes.

The reason I put the link in the navbar was specifically to support
contributors. A contributor might want to look up the developer schedule
(linked to from the wiki front page) or look up a SIG or use the search
box to look up meeting minutes. I think the wiki would probably be most
useful with an interface similar to the front of google.com to be
honest.

For users, the website itself is speckled with direct links to useful
documentation on the wiki. I believe sending someone new to Fedora to
the front page of a wiki is a really bad idea (too much jargon, too much
content that has little to do with their needs), so we approached it by
sending them to targeted wiki pages based on specific contextual needs.

Ultimately I think it would be awesome to have a version of Fedora
Community (http://admin.fedoraproject.org/community) that covered all
contributors, not just package maintainers, had knowledge of common
workflows and guided folks through them, and worked properly such that
the wiki wasn't really necessary. You want to use fedora, you go to
fedoraproject.org, you want to create/work-on fedora, you go to
something like fedoracontributors.org. 

 What is the front page of the wiki as a destination? 

- A searchbox to insider info
- An exhaustive listing of subprojects
- Updated general news about the project (current active release,
current schedule)

I have to say 99% of my own visit to fedoraproject.org/wiki are to
access its searchbox.

 Considering what is now on the real front page, the top bits of the
 wiki front page looks repetitive.  Perhaps it should be trimmed to the
 two identified purposes and make the gateways clear: end-user
 tutorials[2] and pages for contributors-by-contributors.  The latter
 would be where to link Contributors from the fp.o front page.

 Then we link to those two gateway pages instead of the front page of
 the wiki.  Otherwise, the _only_ reason I can see to link to /wiki
 directly is to say, Here is our wiki, loveable mess that it is.
 (Read below for my argument that a wiki is not just a technology.)

That kind of sounds like a splash page to me, and generally splash pages
are a bad idea. Why not just make a decision and decide the wiki is
pages for contributors-by-contributors?

The thing is, having documentation repeated on docs.fpo and on the wiki
is really confusing. *I* actually am not sure which I should be using
and I generally look to docs.fpo first and point non-contributor users
to docs.fpo only. The only documentation that I see in that directory
that isn't on docs.fpo is documentation on using the wiki itself
(Help:Wiki structure, Help:Editing) or are definitely
contributor-specific (Creating GPG Keys, Infrastructure Licensing, Fonts
spec template notes). 

I think users who aren't contributors would be better served by a
knowledgebase than the wiki... I mean, here's some common first-time
user questions that have been raised in my Girl Scouts class and the
wiki results:

= How do I play youtube videos?

Search terms: youtube

- Features/Swfdec
- QA/Meetings/20100222
- Upstream Release Monitoring
- FWN/Issue110
- KulbirSaini

= How do I install new software?

Search terms: install software

- File:Tours Fedora8 009 Install Software.png
- File:LuyaTshimbalanga AnacondaGUIEnhanced anaconda Install Default
Software-mockup.png
- ... lots of images
- Anaconda/NetworkIssues
-Interviews/EricSandeen
- Packaging:PHP

= How do I move files from my computer to my USB stick? (or vice-versa)

Search terms: move files

- Interviews/EricSandeen
- MichaelPeters
- Packaging:Minutes20070626
- Infrastructure/Meetings/2007-02-08
- Extras/SteeringCommittee/Meeting-20060831

Search terms: transfer files

- Legal:Licenses/LicenseAgreement1
- Interviews/EricSandeen
- FWN/Issue95
- EPEL/Reports/Week51
- Legal:Licenses/LicenseAgreement7

These results are pretty bad. Try answering those questions without
search, starting from the front page. Pretend you are a girl scout if
you have to. It will start looking pretty hopeless 3 or 4 clicks in.

 [1] Somewhat OT: On your point about wiki == a technology, I think
 it is more than just a technology brand/type (as Drupal is a
 brand/type of CMS.)  It also means a certain type of highly successful
 open community documentation and collaboration.

I think wikis are a great way for contributors to collaborate, and
absolutely have the potential to be highly successful, and some really
have been. In many cases, though, they are confusing, unpolished, and
often out-of-date for users who have no immediate intention of
contributing.

I say this having done several usability tests that involved going to
our wiki (via the website or google results) to try to figure out
something and ended in confusion 

Re: Change Contributors to Wiki?

[Máirín Duffy]

On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 10:20 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
 I don't go to the wiki to contribute. I go to the wiki to find out how
 to do things. 

What things? Create a FAS account? :)

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Re: Changing the gray background of the slides

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Elad,

On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 21:28 +0200, Elad wrote:
 Hi everyone.
 As I've said before,i think we should replace the gray background of
 the slides with a nicer backgrounds.
 I've created two screenshots with the background I think that should
 be used instead of the gray.
 http://elad.fedorapeople.org/fpo-slide2-newbg.png
 http://elad.fedorapeople.org/fpo-slide3-newbg.png
 I think it's much better. What do you think?

I think the colors are a bit too bright. The orange makes the slide on
my screen especially hard to read because of its contrast with the white
text.

:-/

Maybe some kind of abstract background? Maybe a faded version of the F14
wallpaper?

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Re: Go back to the old site, at least for now

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi,

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 15:40 +0200, Kevin Raymond wrote:
 Looks fine here under the latest version of Chrome (7.0.517.41) under
 Windows.

Is your Windows Vista, Windows 7, or XP?

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Re: Go back to the old site, at least for now

[Máirín Duffy]

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 09:56 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 01:23 -0400, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
  Dear webmaster,
  You need to seriously consider reverting to the old website.
  The new one is buggy, incomplete, disfunctional, and just not well
  done. The old one was much more to the point, serious and
  well-designed. It just needed better navigation and content. You are
  making a big mistake with this website, and should take it down at
  least until it is noticeably improved. Have you even seen the site
  under the latest version of Google Chrome (not Chromium)? Check this
  out for size:
  https://uloadr.com/u/tcu.jpg
  
  I'm sorry if I'm being a bit too critical, but I assure you I am
  completely well-intentioned. I implore you to take my request
  seriously.
 
 Are you a Windows user?
 
 AFAIK the site has looked fine under chrome in Linux the entire time;
 there was a Windows-related rendering issue in Chrome that reports
 indicate has since been resolved.

Whoops that's actually a cached CSS issue, shift-reload the page and it
should work fine.

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Re: Nice new website, but please fix the css style for the fonts...

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Bernardino,

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tuner/step1.aspx

Can you turn clear type on using the page above and see if that helps?

~m

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 09:40 -0700, Bernardino Lopez wrote:
 Please see attached PDF.
 
 I recommend to use in the stylesheet helvetica, verdana, arial... the
 fonts don't look clear, I'm using Firefox Portable... =)

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Re: Nice new website, but please fix the css style for the fonts...

[Máirín Duffy]

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 11:14 -0700, Bernardino Lopez wrote:
 That is correct, Windows XP . Firefox Portable 3.6.7
 
 Ok, I just try with I.E. 6.0 and can see the fonts look a lot
 better... Interesting, will try from home with Firefox and see how
 looks in fedora... perhaps will be good idea to include some default
 fonts to make it look really good in case the custom fonts are not
 accessible via the default browser.. like Helvetica, Sans Serif ;-)
 
 
Did you turn clear type off?

Helvetica is not an openly-licensed font; we won't use it.

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Re: Nice new website, but please fix the css style for the fonts...

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Bernardino,

Some Windows XP systems have cleartype turned on by default, some have
it turned off. It depends on your system. 

That would be awesome if you packaged some ruby on rails things for
us. :)

~m

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 11:21 -0700, Bernardino Lopez wrote:
 I can, but wouldn't be better if like LinuxJournal and many other
 websites the design is ready for as many cases as possible, regardless
 of the custom clients ?
 
 At least we clarify what was the problem and I realize is me, keep
 doing the great job.
 
 =)
 
 Actually I'm thinking to join the Fedora team to package ruby on rails
 packages...;-)
 
 


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Re: new site fonts

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Smooge,

On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 13:04 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
 What I am finding interesting is that half the people say it looks bad
 in IE and not firefox and the other half say it is firefox that looks
 bad and not IE. I wonder what the hinting issues that are causing
 this.

I've only heard reports of the fonts looking bad in Firefox on Windows.
AFAIK there haven't been reports of it looking bad in Firefox on Linux
specifically.

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Re: Nice new website, but please fix the css style for the fonts...

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Bernardino,

Can you be a bit more specific with your bug report? If you could tell
us what browser you are using, the version, and send us a screenshot of
the issue you're seeing it would be very helpful!

Thanks,
~m

On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 13:07 -0700, Bernardino Lopez wrote:
 Nice new website, but please fix the css style for the fonts...
 
 Looks pretty bad... =( 

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Website bug rundown day 1

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi folks,

Here's the bugs I've seen reported here, on identi.ca, or on IRC. Let me
know if you're aware of any others. We should probably set up another
wiki page. :) AFAIK only one has a ticket.

By the way, thanks to everyone reporting the issues they see. Keep them
coming if you've got them - please try to note your web browser, version
number, screen resolution, and anything else that might be appropriate.
For visual bugs, screenshots are extremely helpful.

Open

• First page load, slideshow 'throws up' over screen. Shift+reload
appears to resolve the issue. Not sure why though. Cached CSS?
• Zoom in at 5x - download button on front page slide disappears
• Turn off JS - weird things happen
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/30
• Green on the downloads pages is too intense green (mattl on identi.ca)
• More spacing on main navbar would be nice if possible (mattl on
identi.ca)
• Typo on get fedora  by format: s/by formats/by format
• Fedoracommunity.org didn't launch, link to it points to plain
index.html
• On the front page [1] displays only English version of countdown
banner (regardless of the language selected), here [2] everything is
fine. (Alexander Smirnov)
• from dbs on identi.ca @fabsh New fedoraproject.org site looks weird on
Chromium on Fedora 13 64-bit for me; fine with Firefox though.
http://imgur.com/mhqjq.png
• identica: @qu1j0t3 . http://fedoraproject.org/en/about... // great
start, but too text heavy. refactor
• '¿' character for es is mirrored for some bizarre reason - noticeable
on the front page. A bug with Cantarell? Appears to work fine with
Comfortaa.
• Misc Windows issues, documented here:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/websites/2010-October/008716.html

Difficult to reproduce

• slideshow images not loading at all for Gurhan Ozen, mizmo will try to
reproduce with him

Resolved

• notting ran into a weird issue where the title on the first slide was
rendering much too small. it turned out to be client-side CSS he didn' t
know about - removing it fixed the issue

Future Work Suggestinon

• would be nice to update wiki skin to match new www.fpo
• better panda for 404

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Countdown banners for www.fpo

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Hi folks,

Alexander Smirnov from the Fedora Design team has put together the
countdown artwork for www.fpo and interfaced with the translators to
make sure there's translated versions of them all.

All of the files are here:
http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora14/countdown-banner/

Thanks,
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Re: Fedora website redesign Help page

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Jef!

On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 15:41 +0200, Jef van Schendel wrote:
 Ok guys, I've now got this:
 
 http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/fedorahelp/helpfpo-redesign-2010_mockup2.png
 
 So basically I've added it as a (pretty obvious) sidenote with links
 to the common bugs, bugzilla itself and the report-a-bug wiki page. I
 didn't want it to be too big/obvious by making it a step 4 or having a
 list of bugs there, making it take up half of the Help page.
 
 What do you think? Does it work like this?

This looks fantastic!!!

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Re: Fedora website redesign Help page

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Jef!

On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 15:41 +0200, Jef van Schendel wrote:
 Hi guys,
 
 This morning I've been working on the redesigned Fedora Help page.
 This is what I've got so far:
 
 http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/fedorahelp/helpfpo-redesign-2010_mockup1.png
 http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/fedorahelp/helpfpo-redesign-2010_mockup1.svg
 (source)
 
 The idea is that first, the most frequently asked questions are
 displayed. If a user's question isn't in there, he or she can search
 the Documentation. Then, if it still can't be found, the user can take
 action him or herself and ask the question on IRC, the mailing list or
 the Fedora Forums.
 
 What do you think? Does this order make sense? Have I the main support 
 systems?

This is great! One thing I would throw in there - maybe make it a second
column in the FAQ section - is the common bugs list which I believe gets
updated every release with the most frequently-reported issues  has
workarounds listed where possible - 

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/Common

I think if we can work that in somehow then this page is pretty perfect!

:)

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Re: Introduction and new, exploring contributors

[Máirín Duffy]

On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 00:52 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
 What tasks do folks need to accomplish?
 
 I think that the majority of people coming to the site are going to
 want to see what Fedora can do, sort of like a showcase of sorts. From
 there, they should be able to easily download the distribution, and be
 able to join as a contributor.

The websites team actually wrote up a top ten tasks we'd like users to
be able to do on the website when we first kicked off the project around
F11. (more on the history is here:
http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/fedora-websites-design-status/)

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Website_redesign_2009_requirements#Tasks

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Re: [Ambassadors] What do you think? (was Re: fedoracommunity.org portal design)

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Gianluca!

Thanks for this discussion :)

On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 11:32 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
 Fedora (redesigned)
 1. go to fedoraproject.org
 2. click on Community  I guess this will link to fedoracommunity.org) 

It will, but not directly. There will probably be a banner ad or
something like that on the www.fpo/community page to drive traffic to
fedoracommunity.org.

 3. Select the region
 4. find Italy, only one website listed

Are there more Italian websites we should be linking to? I used the
following wiki page to populate the site:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/International

I tested every website on that page. You'll note two of the four
websites there are not functional as clearly noted. Since I went through
that wiki page it looks like this site has been added, should I added it
to Fedoracommunity.org?

http://www.adamantio.net/modules.php?name=Newsfile=topicstopic=47

I've already posted a couple of calls for help on the ambassadors list -
for folks to go over the site and let us know if we were missing
anything - and of course we are still open to more suggestions!!

 5. figure you need to click on the EMEA link (goes to wiki)
 6. find Italy and follow the links to site, mailing list, wiki, forum, etc.

I don't understand your steps 5  6 above. There are general region-wide
resources at the top of the EMEA page. As far as I know there is NO
mailing list / wiki / forum for Italy. If there is, can you please let
me know? I'll be more than happy to add them.


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Re: start.fedoraproject.org image still shows as Fedora 12 and not 13

[Máirín Duffy]

On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 22:07 -0500, Ian Weller wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:46:27AM -0400, Mark Schlegel wrote:
  I noticed that the upper left image shows the Fedora 12 image,
  shouldn't that be updated to be Fedora 13?
 
 The old reference is still in your browser cache; I have confirmed that
 it is the correct version when you refresh without cache (Ctrl-Shift-R
 in most browsers).

We can fix that by putting an expires meta tag in the html, no?

~m

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