Re: OpenVMS URL
On Fri, 28 May 2004, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: Well, then there's no way of automatic detection if the initial path element of an URL specifies a disk or a directory. Perhaps a special construct could be used, such as a double slash. Wget could always support a URL parameter, such as: wget 'ftp://server/dir1/dir2/file;disk=foo' after which Wget would CWD to `foo:[dir1.dir2]' and download `file'. But such an extension would only ever work with Wget. Well, as I understand no other web client works with that server anyway. ;-) At least the double-slash has it's history as being used for a super-root specifier and it could be made transparent for non-VMS servers. -- + Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland + +--+ +e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP key available+
Re: OpenVMS URL
On Thu, 27 May 2004, Tony Lewis wrote: Assuming, you can detect a VMS connection, why not simply ftp://server/foo:[dir1.dir2]? Well, that would contradict the URI specification (although it could be considered a usable hack). -- + Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland + +--+ +e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP key available+
RE: OpenVMS URL
Correction, no other client that *I have checked* seems to work with disk: part of a VMS pathname. For that matter many of them have trouble with accessing just regular diorectories. So, wget does a better job than most. I have tried the double-slash notation, but I to no avail. It does go to the root of a particular disk, but no farther. Is the disk= parameter actually implemented in wget or is that just a suggestion for how to address this issue in future releases? -- Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Maciej W. Rozycki Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 6:32 AM To: Hrvoje Niksic Cc: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE); Tony Lewis; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OpenVMS URL On Fri, 28 May 2004, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: Well, then there's no way of automatic detection if the initial path element of an URL specifies a disk or a directory. Perhaps a special construct could be used, such as a double slash. Wget could always support a URL parameter, such as: wget 'ftp://server/dir1/dir2/file;disk=foo' after which Wget would CWD to `foo:[dir1.dir2]' and download `file'. But such an extension would only ever work with Wget. Well, as I understand no other web client works with that server anyway. ;-) At least the double-slash has it's history as being used for a super-root specifier and it could be made transparent for non-VMS servers. -- + Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland + +--+ +e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP key available+ ** The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error you should notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from your system and notify your system manager. Please do not copy it for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email. **
RE: OpenVMS URL
On Fri, 28 May 2004, Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) wrote: Correction, no other client that *I have checked* seems to work with disk: part of a VMS pathname. For that matter many of them have trouble with accessing just regular diorectories. So, wget does a better job than most. I have tried the double-slash notation, but I to no avail. It does go to the root of a particular disk, but no farther. Is the disk= parameter actually implemented in wget or is that just a suggestion for how to address this issue in future releases? Both are proposals for a possible implementation. -- + Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland + +--+ +e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP key available+
RE: OpenVMS URL
Well, thanks for all of the information. I will take a look at the latest cvs code to see if there is anything useful I may be able to contribute in that regard. -- Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Maciej W. Rozycki Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:59 AM To: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) Cc: Hrvoje Niksic; Tony Lewis; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OpenVMS URL On Fri, 28 May 2004, Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) wrote: Correction, no other client that *I have checked* seems to work with disk: part of a VMS pathname. For that matter many of them have trouble with accessing just regular diorectories. So, wget does a better job than most. I have tried the double-slash notation, but I to no avail. It does go to the root of a particular disk, but no farther. Is the disk= parameter actually implemented in wget or is that just a suggestion for how to address this issue in future releases? Both are proposals for a possible implementation. -- + Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland + +--+ +e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP key available+ ** The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error you should notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from your system and notify your system manager. Please do not copy it for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email. **
RE: OpenVMS URL
On Wed, 26 May 2004, Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) wrote: The colon is allowed in directory names and file names as far as I know. Well, then there's no way of automatic detection if the initial path element of an URL specifies a disk or a directory. Perhaps a special construct could be used, such as a double slash. I don't use VMS much either, but in this case I need to retrieve data from an OpenVMS server so I have learned a little about it. I am not sure what amount of tweaking would address the issue, but apparently there is currently nothing in wget, or any other program I have checked, to handle that type of pathname as a URL. Well, as the last resort, you can always use a regular FTP client. -- + Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland + +--+ +e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP key available+
RE: OpenVMS URL
I think I am stuck with a regular ftp client. That just makes the task of scripting more cumbersome. Wget would have been able to handle it in just one line. -- Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Maciej W. Rozycki Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:58 AM To: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) Cc: Tony Lewis; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OpenVMS URL On Wed, 26 May 2004, Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) wrote: The colon is allowed in directory names and file names as far as I know. Well, then there's no way of automatic detection if the initial path element of an URL specifies a disk or a directory. Perhaps a special construct could be used, such as a double slash. I don't use VMS much either, but in this case I need to retrieve data from an OpenVMS server so I have learned a little about it. I am not sure what amount of tweaking would address the issue, but apparently there is currently nothing in wget, or any other program I have checked, to handle that type of pathname as a URL. Well, as the last resort, you can always use a regular FTP client. -- + Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland + +--+ +e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP key available+ ** The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error you should notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from your system and notify your system manager. Please do not copy it for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email. **
Re: OpenVMS URL
Hrvoje Niksic wrote: Wget could always support a URL parameter, such as: wget 'ftp://server/dir1/dir2/file;disk=foo' Assuming, you can detect a VMS connection, why not simply ftp://server/foo:[dir1.dir2]? Tony
Re: OpenVMS URL
How do you enter the path in your web browser? - Original Message - From: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:32 AM Subject: OpenVMS URL I am trying to use wget to retrieve a file from an OpenVMS server but have been unable to make wget to process a path with a volume name in it. For example: disk:[directory.subdirectory]filename How would I go about entering this type of path in a way that wget can understand? ** The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error you should notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from your system and notify your system manager. Please do not copy it for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email. **
Re: OpenVMS URL
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 08:32:29AM -0600, Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) wrote: I am trying to use wget to retrieve a file from an OpenVMS server but have been unable to make wget to process a path with a volume name in it. For example: disk:[directory.subdirectory]filename How would I go about entering this type of path in a way that wget can understand? shudder... That was a dark time in my life - working with VMS... If I recall correctly, the OpenVMS POSIX support will allow you to specify paths with UNIX filespecs... What kind of server are you trying to grab the file from (ftp / web / ?) - each of these explicitly specifies in their standard what the delimiters in a filespec are. The above path will translate to: /disk/directory/subdirectory/filename (Note that there is no way of specifying a version number (;) from a UNIX filespec.) http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/5763/5763pro_003.html * If the specification corresponds to an existing OpenVMS directory, it is converted to that directory name. For example, /dev/dir/sub is converted to DEV:[DIR.SUB] if DEV:[DIR.SUB] exists. * If the specification corresponds to an existing OpenVMS file name, it is converted to that file name. For example, /dev/dir/file is converted to DEV:[DIR]FILE if DEV:[DIR]FILE exists. * If the specification corresponds to a nonexistent OpenVMS file name, but the given device and directory exist, it is converted to a file name. For example, /dev/dir/file is converted to DEV:[DIR]FILE if DEV:[DIR] exists. PK -- I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President next year. -- Wally O'Dell - CEO of Diebold, Inc. (One of the largest American manufacturers of election machinery) - End forwarded message - -- I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President next year. -- Wally O'Dell - CEO of Diebold, Inc. (One of the largest American manufacturers of election machinery) pgpcyEq53vNiA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OpenVMS URL
Then your problem isn't with wget. Once you figure out how to access the file in a web browser, use the same URL in wget. Tony - Original Message - From: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tony Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: RE: OpenVMS URL That's the problem I'm having. With all the looking and reading I've done I haven't found a way to specify the type of pathname I used as an example (disk:[directory.subdirectory]filename) as a URL for a broswer or anything else that requires a URL to retrieve things over ftp. -Original Message- From: Tony Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:08 AM To: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OpenVMS URL How do you enter the path in your web browser? - Original Message - From: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:32 AM Subject: OpenVMS URL I am trying to use wget to retrieve a file from an OpenVMS server but have been unable to make wget to process a path with a volume name in it. For example: disk:[directory.subdirectory]filename How would I go about entering this type of path in a way that wget can understand? ** The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error you should notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from your system and notify your system manager. Please do not copy it for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email. ** ** The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error you should notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from your system and notify your system manager. Please do not copy it for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email. **
RE: OpenVMS URL
I realize that, this mailing list is just one of the places I'm checking. Wget is the specific tool I would like to use and I have seen frequent references to wget used on and with VMS. With that being the case I thought it may be likely that someone on this list may readily know offhand. I understand that a URL is a URL for anything. It just appeared that there are a decent number of people using VMS and wget versus web browsers and what not. -- Ben -Original Message- From: Tony Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:52 PM To: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OpenVMS URL Then your problem isn't with wget. Once you figure out how to access the file in a web browser, use the same URL in wget. Tony - Original Message - From: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tony Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: RE: OpenVMS URL That's the problem I'm having. With all the looking and reading I've done I haven't found a way to specify the type of pathname I used as an example (disk:[directory.subdirectory]filename) as a URL for a broswer or anything else that requires a URL to retrieve things over ftp. -Original Message- From: Tony Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:08 AM To: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OpenVMS URL How do you enter the path in your web browser? - Original Message - From: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:32 AM Subject: OpenVMS URL I am trying to use wget to retrieve a file from an OpenVMS server but have been unable to make wget to process a path with a volume name in it. For example: disk:[directory.subdirectory]filename How would I go about entering this type of path in a way that wget can understand? ** The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error you should notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from your system and notify your system manager. Please do not copy it for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email. ** ** The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error you should notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from your system and notify your system manager. Please do not copy it for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email. ** ** The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error you should notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from your system and notify your system manager. Please do not copy it for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email. **
RE: OpenVMS URL
On Wed, 26 May 2004, Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) wrote: That's the problem I'm having. With all the looking and reading I've done I haven't found a way to specify the type of pathname I used as an example (disk:[directory.subdirectory]filename) as a URL for a broswer or anything else that requires a URL to retrieve things over ftp. Wget incorporates explicit support for VMS FTP servers, but the code seems only to support the [directory.subdirectory]filename part of your file path, i.e. an URL of this form: ftp://server/directory/subdirectory/filename; will order wget to retrieve [directory.subdirectory]filename from server, but there's no way to specify the disk: part. -- + Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland + +--+ +e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP key available+
RE: OpenVMS URL
Thanks Maciej, That is exactly what I was having trouble with. I have been able to specify directories in the same way that you have mentioned using [directory.subdirectory]filename, but I have had no success with any attempts to incorporate the disk: part into the URL. That is frustrating. -- Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Maciej W. Rozycki Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:36 PM To: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) Cc: Tony Lewis; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OpenVMS URL On Wed, 26 May 2004, Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) wrote: That's the problem I'm having. With all the looking and reading I've done I haven't found a way to specify the type of pathname I used as an example (disk:[directory.subdirectory]filename) as a URL for a broswer or anything else that requires a URL to retrieve things over ftp. Wget incorporates explicit support for VMS FTP servers, but the code seems only to support the [directory.subdirectory]filename part of your file path, i.e. an URL of this form: ftp://server/directory/subdirectory/filename; will order wget to retrieve [directory.subdirectory]filename from server, but there's no way to specify the disk: part. -- + Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland + +--+ +e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP key available+ ** The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error you should notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from your system and notify your system manager. Please do not copy it for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email. **
RE: OpenVMS URL
On Wed, 26 May 2004, Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) wrote: That is exactly what I was having trouble with. I have been able to specify directories in the same way that you have mentioned using [directory.subdirectory]filename, but I have had no success with any attempts to incorporate the disk: part into the URL. That is frustrating. Well, it actually means you are probably the first one to have such a need. I don't know much of VMS -- are colons allowes in directory components? If not, it should be trivial to handle them with the existing means, otherwise more tweaking may be needed. -- + Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland + +--+ +e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP key available+
RE: OpenVMS URL
The colon is allowed in directory names and file names as far as I know. When it comes before a set of square brackets [] containing a path it is used to separate the disk name from the path. The filename comes at the end of the specified path outside of the square brackets. Like the example I used earlier: disk:[directory.subdirectory]filename I don't use VMS much either, but in this case I need to retrieve data from an OpenVMS server so I have learned a little about it. I am not sure what amount of tweaking would address the issue, but apparently there is currently nothing in wget, or any other program I have checked, to handle that type of pathname as a URL. -- Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Maciej W. Rozycki Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 4:23 PM To: Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) Cc: Tony Lewis; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OpenVMS URL On Wed, 26 May 2004, Bufford, Benjamin (AGRE) wrote: That is exactly what I was having trouble with. I have been able to specify directories in the same way that you have mentioned using [directory.subdirectory]filename, but I have had no success with any attempts to incorporate the disk: part into the URL. That is frustrating. Well, it actually means you are probably the first one to have such a need. I don't know much of VMS -- are colons allowes in directory components? If not, it should be trivial to handle them with the existing means, otherwise more tweaking may be needed. -- + Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland + +--+ +e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP key available+ ** The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error you should notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from your system and notify your system manager. Please do not copy it for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email. **
