Re: [whatwg] HTML vs Plain Text in Notifications

2008-09-11 Thread Julian Reschke

Dmitry Titov wrote:

...
The text-based box has following problems:
- Not enough formatting capabilities even for simple cases (calendar 
appointment and mail notification).
- No mechanism to update content (as in upload progress indicator 
scenario)

- No way to add interactive features (snooze on calendar appointment)
...


- It doesn't allow language-tagging.

BR, Julian


Re: [whatwg] Generic Metadata Mechanisms (RDFa feedback summarywikipage)

2008-09-11 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The way Julian formulated it, it is hearsay, not evidence, with no
statistical background.
Chris

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Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me that the that there 
*are* people using RDFa, eRDF, microformats and similar formats to 
markup their data, and that there are consumers (browser extensions, 
spiders) using it.

So what *additional* evidence are you looking for?

BR, Julian



Re: [whatwg] Scripted video query proposal

2008-09-11 Thread Maik Merten
Perhaps another possibility would be something similar to the current
navigagor.mimeTypes array (navigator.mediaMimeTypes?). Absolutely
old-school, but perhaps makes sense, as the ability to display certain
media types is mostly a property of the navigator/client, not as much
a property of the media-element (all media elements would most likely
return the same media types, indicating the property may be located
elsewhere).

Anyway, I welcome any scripted query support. All proposals on that
topic are better than a dark age of poorly maintained black- and whitelists.

Maik


[whatwg] List of differences between whatwg and w3c spec?

2008-09-11 Thread Aaron Swartz
I notice there are specs for HTML5 dated today at:

http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/

diff -u shows a lot of difference, but most are cosmetic. (I gather
they're there because Hixie disagrees with some W3C pubrules but can't
get them changed.) Is there any page that lists the substantive
differences? Presumably the generation of the drafts is automated; is
the source file for the drafts published?


Re: [whatwg] List of differences between whatwg and w3c spec?

2008-09-11 Thread Edward O'Connor
 diff -u shows a lot of difference, but most are cosmetic. (I gather
 they're there because Hixie disagrees with some W3C pubrules but can't
 get them changed.) Is there any page that lists the substantive
 differences? Presumably the generation of the drafts is automated; is
 the source file for the drafts published?


http://svn.whatwg.org/webapps/


HTH.
Ted


Re: [whatwg] List of differences between whatwg and w3c spec?

2008-09-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Aaron Swartz wrote:

 I notice there are specs for HTML5 dated today at:
 
 http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/ 
 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/
 
 diff -u shows a lot of difference, but most are cosmetic. (I gather 
 they're there because Hixie disagrees with some W3C pubrules but can't 
 get them changed.) Is there any page that lists the substantive 
 differences? Presumably the generation of the drafts is automated; is 
 the source file for the drafts published?

They're identical from the page of contents down to the bottom. 
(Literally, they're generated from the same file.) The only difference is 
in the header, the abstract, and the status of this document section. 
This is in fact stated in the status of this document section in both 
copies (they both say The two specifications are identical from the table 
of contents onwards).

HTH,
-- 
Ian Hickson   U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL
http://ln.hixie.ch/   U+263A/,   _.. \   _\  ;`._ ,.
Things that are impossible just take longer.   `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'


[whatwg] Repetition templates missing

2008-09-11 Thread Aaron Swartz
In the 11 September 2008 edition, section 1.6 of the HTML5 WD
(http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#structure) links
to Repetition Templates at #repetition but there is no element with
that ID.

In a recent interview
(http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/programming-and-development/?p=718)
Ian Hickson says For example, the repetition templates proposal is
almost certainly going to be dropped.

Can you please say why? I was quite fond of this proposal and we're
using it on OpenLibrary.org, where it's been a great boon to our
development.


Re: [whatwg] Repetition templates missing

2008-09-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Aaron Swartz wrote:
 
 In a recent interview 
 (http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/programming-and-development/?p=718) 
 Ian Hickson says For example, the repetition templates proposal is 
 almost certainly going to be dropped.
 
 Can you please say why?

It solves about 5% of the use cases. There are dozens of other solutions 
that cover overlapping areas, but all of them just handle 5% of the real 
needs. People have so many varied needs that we are better off providing 
an infrastructure for templating than providing a single solution.

The data templates stuff in HTML5 is another example of a solution in the 
same space. Personally I prefer it, but it doesn't really matter -- it 
handles just as many use cases, some that repetition blocks don't, some 
that they do, and it just does it differently.


 I was quite fond of this proposal and we're using it on OpenLibrary.org, 
 where it's been a great boon to our development.

Nothing stops you from continuing to use it -- indeed, if you are using it 
now, then that demonstrates that it is possible to do it without UA 
support. :-) With the new data-* attributes, we can allow a thousand 
templated flowers to bloom and we don't need to honour any of them with 
the special spec annointing oil (as it were).

If there is anything the browsers could provide to make implementing 
things like this easier, let us know and I can add them to the spec.

-- 
Ian Hickson   U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL
http://ln.hixie.ch/   U+263A/,   _.. \   _\  ;`._ ,.
Things that are impossible just take longer.   `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'